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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:53 PM Mar 2016

Washington Post: Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are winners while Bernie Sanders is a loser

Winners and losers from the 7th Democratic presidential debate

Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders clashed over the treatment of the auto industry and Wall Street banks, during the CNN Democratic debate in Flint, Mich. March 6. (CNN)

Winners

* Hillary Clinton
: The former Secretary of State came ready to fight on Sunday night. She kept her hit on Sanders's opposition to the auto bailout well hidden in the run-up to the debate in order to get maximum impact when she dropped it on his head. Ditto her attack on him being the long Democrat to vote against the Export-Import bank. She is still not great when it comes to answering questions she doesn't want to answer. Her I'll-release-my-Wall-Street-speeches-when-everyone-else-does answer to a question on her high-paid speaking gigs was, still, not very good. And, she remains overly cautious as a candidate; when pressed whether people at the Environmental Protection Agency should lose their jobs over what happened in Flint, Clinton was unwilling to say they should -- a swing and a miss at a hanging curveball. Still, overall, this was a very solid showing by Clinton. On guns, on failing schools and on Flint, she was confident and effective.

* President Obama: It seemed as though no matter what Clinton was asked about in the debate, her answer wound back to a defense of the current occupant of the White House. Clinton even used Obama as a shield against Sanders as he bashed her on accepting money from Wall Street. Why? Because Clinton knows that among Democratic base voters -- particularly African Americans -- Obama remains hugely popular and, therefore, aligning yourself with him is a stone-cold winner.

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Losers

* Bernie Sanders
: The Vermont Senator had effectively walked a fine line in the previous six debates when it came to attacking Clinton without coming across as either bullying or condescending. He tripped and fell while trying to execute that delicate dance on Sunday night. Sanders's "excuse me, I'm talking" rebuttal to Clinton hinted at the fact that he was losing his temper with her. His "can I finish please" retort ensured that his tone and his approach to someone trying to become the first female presidential nominee in either party would be THE story of the night.

Put aside the fact that Sanders misstepped on tone, he also did nothing to change the underlying dynamics of the race. If you think Wall Street is the problem for much of what ails the country, you were for Sanders before this debate and certainly for him after it too. But, as we know from the first 40 percent or so of states that have voted, there aren't enough of those people to make him the nominee. Sanders didn't knock Clinton off her game in any meaningful way, making the debate a loss for him. (Sidebar: His answer about white people not knowing what it is like to live in a ghetto or be poor would have been a massive gaffe if he was not as far behind in the delegate chase as he is.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/06/winners-and-losers-from-the-7th-democratic-presidential-debate/?postshare=2701457320146330&tid=ss_tw
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Washington Post: Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are winners while Bernie Sanders is a loser (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 OP
So now Clinton supporters are adopting Trump's rhetoric Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #1
I thought it was pretty good analysis Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #6
She got her ass kicked. Plain and simple. ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #15
OK. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #23
For the win kristopher Mar 2016 #17
Yeah... MrWendel Mar 2016 #20
Yes. I agree. Especially compared to one Chris Cillizza's opinion. kristopher Mar 2016 #22
I find it amazing you ridicule online polls and give pundits a pass. RichVRichV Mar 2016 #29
From the rag owned by the warehouse sweatshop king. Wow, what a surprise. (sarcasm intended). Skwmom Mar 2016 #2
100 PERCENT. itsrobert Mar 2016 #3
what debate were they watching???? Chasstev365 Mar 2016 #4
Desperation smells like Brock. Autumn Mar 2016 #5
What does Brock have to do with the Washington Post article? Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #8
I think the big lesson of 2016 is the left needs to build it's own media Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #7
This is spreading like wildfire. MADem Mar 2016 #9
I'm so sick of the victim card they keep playing! Chasstev365 Mar 2016 #14
That rudeness didn't go over well with any of my friends who watched oasis Mar 2016 #19
Yep, Sanders supporters can attack the messengers but it wont change that this is an issue. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #21
Only to people already firmly in the Hillary camp. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #25
Nope, media are reporting on it all over the place and women are talking about it on twitter. stevenleser Mar 2016 #26
I've heard, so far, at least as many women say they have no problem with it... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #27
One opinion from a right-leaning paper and you know what they say about opinions. merrily Mar 2016 #10
k&r DesertRat Mar 2016 #11
El. Oh. El. AzDar Mar 2016 #12
Doesn't jive with a lot of other reports. tabasco Mar 2016 #13
There's a reason it's called "the fix"... k8conant Mar 2016 #16
Did a little birdie tell you that? nt Logical Mar 2016 #18
Translation: Hillary got her ass handed to her, and the corporate media's desperate to bail her out. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #24
His response about ... NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #28
K & R Scurrilous Mar 2016 #30

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
22. Yes. I agree. Especially compared to one Chris Cillizza's opinion.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:15 AM
Mar 2016

His own commenters are taking him to the woodshed.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
29. I find it amazing you ridicule online polls and give pundits a pass.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:06 AM
Mar 2016

Frankly, neither is very trustworthy.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
8. What does Brock have to do with the Washington Post article?
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:01 AM
Mar 2016

Wanna flesh that one out a little more?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
7. I think the big lesson of 2016 is the left needs to build it's own media
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:01 AM
Mar 2016

Because the mainstream media sucks.

oasis

(49,398 posts)
19. That rudeness didn't go over well with any of my friends who watched
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:00 AM
Mar 2016

the debate with me. major points lost.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
25. Only to people already firmly in the Hillary camp.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:05 AM
Mar 2016

There will be no shortage of people who think it was a perfectly acceptable response to Hillary's constant, graceless interruptions.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
26. Nope, media are reporting on it all over the place and women are talking about it on twitter.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:09 AM
Mar 2016

It's a thing.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
27. I've heard, so far, at least as many women say they have no problem with it...
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:15 AM
Mar 2016

...as those who are upset. It's staggeringly sexist to expect different treatment when you're gracelessly interrupting someone just because you happen to have a vagina.

This woman thinks Bernie let her off easy.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. One opinion from a right-leaning paper and you know what they say about opinions.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:10 AM
Mar 2016

Anyway, Bernie's supporters have long known msm is not with him. It's only the other side that denies it. Maybe so it make crap like this article seem like a big deal?

Overall, a yawn.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
24. Translation: Hillary got her ass handed to her, and the corporate media's desperate to bail her out.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 02:04 AM
Mar 2016

Even lying through her teeth about Bernie and the auto bailout didn't save her.

NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
28. His response about ...
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:06 AM
Mar 2016

... "white people not knowing what it is like to live in a ghetto or be poor" was particularly jaw-dropping.

On the one hand, he's the poor Jewish kid who grew up in a tiny apartment in Brooklyn in a poor Jewish neighbourhood - and on the other hand, he can't "know" what it's like to live in a ghetto or be poor, because only blacks have that experience.

Yeah, okay, what ev, Bernie.

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