2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie failed twice tonight.
1. When Hillary was crowing about criminal justice reform and when she admitted that her husband's policies (and her support) had caused harm to largely PoC, Sanders should have reported that she took money from the private prison industry up until a few weeks prior to her candidacy.
2. I'm sorry, the detail of the second fail has escaped me for the moment, but it was similar -- Bernie failing to point out that HRC has profited financially from a policy she supported and influenced. Something that we all know here.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)All of Hillary's flip flops.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...nailing her on her record.
It would hurt her very badly with the AA community (I should think) if her crowing about criminal justice reform was refuted by the fact that she took money from the private prison industry.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)with the war on drugs and mass incarceration in "the '90s" <--which Clinton kept NOT wanting to talk about tonight.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)to adequately cover Hillary's flip-flops and sellouts.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)1. He missed the opportunity of the prison industry.
2. I'm also really hoping he brings up her emails I'm the context of her hypocrisy of the Colombian free trade deal. He cannot let that one go tomorrow. That gets right to the trustworthiness issue for the independents who will be watching.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)You are correct... time to take the gloves off
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)He should said, like Wal Mart the largest gun retailer? Where you held stock and sat on their BOD?
amborin
(16,631 posts)i wish he would mention the looming cadillac tax, and how universal health care would help US corporations; without it, they are at a competitive disadvantage
OZi
(155 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The better candidate. You have to be able to articulate your case.
Bernie did not do a good job of explaining that he did vote for the major auto industry bill. He needed to make that EXTREMELY CLEAR. Then he needed to say that he did reject the initial auto bailout funds because they were attached to billions in Wall Street bailouts--and no way in hell was he voting for that.
He can't be afraid to zap her with the truth. The truth is on his side. She knows she lied and played fast and loose by saying that he voted against the Auto bailout. Go after her and hit her hard about her dishonesty.
As Mike from Breaking Bad said, "No half measures."
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)vote against the auto industry bail out?" really?
I didn't' think that was true, but I'm guessing most viewers wouldn't know the difference.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)At least I think it was initially.
Hillary's assertion that she was somehow going to "claw back" past financial support for companies that relocate headquarters and plants overseas seemed pretty ridiculous to me. Where are the laws to support that?
grasswire
(50,130 posts).....and 1) that imagery wasn't too good for her and 2) as you say, how exactly would that work? Under what authority would that happen? She said she's going to make companies pay to leave the country. Huh???
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I keep wanting Bernie to "go off script" more, and not keep defaulting to verbatim lines from his stump
speeches.
I think he's doing himself a tremendous disservice in this regard, because he seems to repeat himself
too often, as most people have probably heard his stump speech lines by now, AND even more importably,
because Bernie does VERY well when he ad libs and speaks from his heart, like he's done a number of
times when button-holed about his spirituality and/or his being Jewish, etc.
He has a very powerful gift as an orator in this regard, to be able to do that, to drop into his real-time
feelings and speak directly from his heart, while his brain is watching over the whole thing to course-
correct as needed.
i just wish he'd tap into this WAY more than he does. He did this with that Crhis Mathews MSNBC Forum
at the Univ. of Chicago, but not until Mathews pushed on him hard, even abusively IMO, then Bernie
"got real" with clear-eyed open-hearted honesty and truth-telling that Mathews couldn't refute or play
his silly games with.
I'm hoping to see way more of THAT Bernie in the weeks to come..
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)He could have hit her a lot harder on fracking. She laid out conditions to make it seem like she's almost on the fence on the issue, but as Secretary of State she championed expanding it around the world.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)A shadow boxer.
LettuceSea
(337 posts)I agree, esp with #1.