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Siena: Clinton maintains 21 point lead in New York (Original Post) Godhumor Mar 2016 OP
I think Clinton Holds all the trump cards in a Clinton v. Trump match. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #1
Another huge delegate state that HRC will win overwhelmingly. book_worm Mar 2016 #2
Stupid red state. nt Codeine Mar 2016 #4
They're confederates! Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #6
SOUTHERN Red State, I'll have you know. MineralMan Mar 2016 #7
The Mason-Dixon Line continues its relentless Codeine Mar 2016 #8
+1 Historic NY Mar 2016 #27
As a representative of the red state of NY... Godhumor Mar 2016 #10
Never had you pegged as a Dixiecrat. Codeine Mar 2016 #12
Neither did I. But the last few weeks have taught me different n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #36
But...Maine...Idaho... MineralMan Mar 2016 #5
Those small state peasants better accept that they're not very important! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #14
Uh, we're still in the primary season. MineralMan Mar 2016 #16
I'll address GE matters whenever I please, thanksverymuch. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #17
OK, then. Lets elect nominees and Presidents by popular vote. MineralMan Mar 2016 #19
Works for me. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #21
If we had a one-day primary, Bernie wouldn't be a candidate. MineralMan Mar 2016 #30
I rather doubt that. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #32
Bernie needs multiple BIG WINS to take the nomination. It doesn't look like NY will be ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #3
Why on earth would any non-ignoramus think Bernie would be competitive in Hillary's "home" state? Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #15
Of course, the Democratic votes are all in SOUTHERN NY... brooklynite Mar 2016 #9
Well, naturally! MineralMan Mar 2016 #11
Sanders needs landslides to counter Clinton landslides... SidDithers Mar 2016 #13
Technically, no. joshcryer Mar 2016 #26
What? lmbradford Mar 2016 #18
Well, see, New York has a border with Vermont. MineralMan Mar 2016 #22
A river runs through it...... Historic NY Mar 2016 #29
Indeed. MineralMan Mar 2016 #31
Incorrect basselope Mar 2016 #20
Pretty sure this poll is more recent than your fantasy one n/t Godhumor Mar 2016 #23
The only meaningful poll are opt in online polls and facebook ones. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #25
Sorry, but no. basselope Mar 2016 #28
+ 38 among African American voters/+6 among Latino voters/+29 among Jewish voters/+ 28 among women DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #24
She had 2 blow out campaigns for US Senator Historic NY Mar 2016 #33
I question the numbers among some sub groups./nt DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #35
I thought OkSustainAg Mar 2016 #34

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
7. SOUTHERN Red State, I'll have you know.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:26 PM
Mar 2016

It is, in fact, south of Canada, after all. So is Michigan, by the way. Every state Hillary wins is a "Southern" state!

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
10. As a representative of the red state of NY...
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:28 PM
Mar 2016

I am looking forward to carrying my red state vote for our regional candidate (Who only wins red states).

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
14. Those small state peasants better accept that they're not very important!
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:33 PM
Mar 2016

Yay for the Electoral College: the absurd, anti-democratic anachronism that makes some animals more equal than others!

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
16. Uh, we're still in the primary season.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:36 PM
Mar 2016

We're talking delegates to the Democratic Convention, not electors. That's a different matter, which we can address at general election time.

Were it not for the Electoral College and the U.S. Senate, states like those would have almost no representation at all. A visit to Wikipedia would probably help explain all that, I think.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
17. I'll address GE matters whenever I please, thanksverymuch.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:38 PM
Mar 2016

Don't like it? Put me on Ignore.

And you are, of course, dead wrong about the EC effect on small non-swing states...despite your inane, condescending suggestion to consult Wikipedia. Try and think it through...

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
19. OK, then. Lets elect nominees and Presidents by popular vote.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:40 PM
Mar 2016

I'm good with that:

Current popular vote in the Democratic primary elections:

Clinton, Hillary Diane Rodham 4,263,516 59.80%
Sanders, Bernard "Bernie" 2,745,545 38.51%

Source: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
21. Works for me.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:42 PM
Mar 2016

If the popular vote of the people, in a one-day national primary and the GE, doesn't elect the candidate I prefer, so be it. That's democracy. What we have now ain't democracy.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
30. If we had a one-day primary, Bernie wouldn't be a candidate.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:55 PM
Mar 2016

It would be far too costly to enter such a primary race. Many things that sound good aren't.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
32. I rather doubt that.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:00 PM
Mar 2016

I don't think the extended primary season is what's driven Bernie's excellent fundraising. No reason he couldn't have used much the same fundraising appeals throughout the "debate season" that would lead up to a July national primary.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
3. Bernie needs multiple BIG WINS to take the nomination. It doesn't look like NY will be ...
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:24 PM
Mar 2016

... the state where he finds the delegates he needs. It's pretty clear to me that Hillary is now the PROHIBITIVE leader in this race. It's doubtful to me that he'll EVER get enough delegates to catch up with her. In my opinion Bernie WILL NOT be the nominee.

Go, Hillary! We love you!


 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
15. Why on earth would any non-ignoramus think Bernie would be competitive in Hillary's "home" state?
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:35 PM
Mar 2016

I mean, sure...she's a carpetbagger, not really a real New Yorker, but she was their Senator (for a bit).

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
13. Sanders needs landslides to counter Clinton landslides...
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:31 PM
Mar 2016

and he's running out of places to get them.

Sid

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
26. Technically, no.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:50 PM
Mar 2016

He's not "running out of places." It just requires a complete shift in campaign strategy, which, unfortunately, isn't happening. The campaign must accept that to catch up it must win large delegate states, and with a significant lead. But I think that rather than accept this the campaign (ie, Weaver, to keep getting paid) wants to just keep the thing going and not focus where, while unlikely as can be, they can catch up.

This means a concerted and focused effort on NY, CA, etc. Put it all in those states. Take a truly Sanders style position, be honest about the math, and say, "This is where we are going to stand our ground."

But Weaver and the advisers don't care about that, they just want to keep getting paid, imo. Without an effort like that it goes from highly unlikely to extremely utterly impossible. And I say this as a Sanders supporter. It's all but over, unfortunately.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
22. Well, see, New York has a border with Vermont.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:43 PM
Mar 2016

So, Bernie's right next door. That explains it, I'm sure.

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