2016 Postmortem

kristopher

(29,798 posts) Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:59 PM Mar 2016

Clinton Portrays Herself as a Pro-Gun Churchgoer

Clinton Portrays Herself as a Pro-Gun Churchgoer
By JULIE BOSMAN APRIL 12, 2008

Hillary Rodham Clinton - The Caucus - Politics - New York Times Blog

VALPARAISO, Ind. – Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton managed to co-opt Mr. Obama’s message of hope and optimism, beginning a speech in Valparaiso, Ind., by talking about how positive and “fundamentally optimistic” Americans are.

“We don’t get bogged down and looking back – we’re always looking forward,” she said, as heavy applause nearly drowned out her words. “Whatever obstacle we see, we get over it. Whatever challenge we have, we meet it. We’re the problem-solvers, we’re the innovators, we’re the people who make the better future.”

...snip...

“I disagree with Senator Obama’s assertion that people in our country cling to guns and have certain attitudes about immigration or trade simply out of frustration,” she said.

She described herself as a pro-gun churchgoer, recalling that her father taught her how to shoot a gun when she was a young girl and said that her faith “is the faith of my parents and my grandparents.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/12/clinton-portrays-herself-as-a-pro-gun-churchgoer/?_r=2

And from CNN

...“You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” she said.

“You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter.”

Minutes later, in a slightly awkward moment, Clinton faced a question from a woman in the audience whose son had been paralyzed by a gunshot. The woman asked Clinton what she would do about gun control as president.

Clinton touted her husband's record on gun control during his administration, and said "there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights" and the effort to reduce crime....

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns/

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Clinton Portrays Herself as a Pro-Gun Churchgoer (Original Post) kristopher Mar 2016 OP

Hillary Clinton on GUN VIOLENCE PROTECTION Hortensis Mar 2016 #1

Both Faces of Hilary Clinton on Gun Control - one right after the other. kristopher Mar 2016 #3

One Hillary face, one third-party "interpretation" face. Hortensis Mar 2016 #5

Both Faces of Hilary Clinton on Gun Control - one right after the other kristopher Mar 2016 #6

Which position is the truth, Hortensis? kristopher Mar 2016 #8

Hers. You know, how come you guys don't Hortensis Mar 2016 #9

"how come you guys don't ask why the NRA is giving money to an enemy?" kristopher Mar 2016 #10

It's evolution, baby Mufaddal Mar 2016 #2

The problem with people who sell out all values for the sake of a win Fairgo Mar 2016 #4

#WhichHillary pinebox Mar 2016 #7

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

1. Hillary Clinton on GUN VIOLENCE PROTECTION

Reply to kristopher (Original post)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:01 PM

Mar 2016

Hillary will:

1. Strengthen background checks and close dangerous loopholes in the current system.
2. Hold irresponsible dealers and manufacturers accountable.
3. Keep guns out of the hands of terrorists, domestic abusers, other violent criminals, and the severely mentally ill.

“I don’t know how we keep seeing shooting after shooting, read about the people murdered because they went to Bible study or they went to the movies or they were just doing their job, and not finally say we’ve got to do something about this.”

While gun ownership is part of the fabric of many law-abiding communities, too many families in America have suffered from gun violence. About 33,000 Americans are killed by guns each year. That is unacceptable. It is a rebuke to this nation we love.

That’s why Hillary supports sensible action to address gun violence, including comprehensive background checks, cracking down on illegal gun traffickers, holding dealers and manufacturers accountable when they endanger Americans, and keeping guns out of the hands of domestic abusers and stalkers.

Read this: Why Mark & I are supporting Hillary Clinton for president, by Gabby Giffords
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/why-mark-i-are-supporting-hillary-clinton-president/

kristopher

(29,798 posts)

3. Both Faces of Hilary Clinton on Gun Control - one right after the other.

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:10 PM

Mar 2016

...“You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” she said.

“You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter.”

Minutes later, in a slightly awkward moment, Clinton faced a question from a woman in the audience whose son had been paralyzed by a gunshot. The woman asked Clinton what she would do about gun control as president.

Clinton touted her husband's record on gun control during his administration, and said "there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights" and the effort to reduce crime....

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns/

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

5. One Hillary face, one third-party "interpretation" face.

Reply to kristopher (Reply #3)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:32 PM

Mar 2016

Not quite the same thing, although after seeming years of being unable to tell the difference between truth and deception, it is understandable if you cannot now. I know you are very sincere and mean well.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)

6. Both Faces of Hilary Clinton on Gun Control - one right after the other

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:42 PM

Mar 2016

And we'll throw in a dash of once again Riding on Bill's Deeds...

...“You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” she said.

“You know, some people now continue to teach their children and their grandchildren. It’s part of culture. It’s part of a way of life. People enjoy hunting and shooting because it’s an important part of who they are. Not because they are bitter.”

Minutes later, in a slightly awkward moment, Clinton faced a question from a woman in the audience whose son had been paralyzed by a gunshot. The woman asked Clinton what she would do about gun control as president.

Clinton touted her husband's record on gun control during his administration, and said "there is not a contradiction between protecting Second Amendment rights" and the effort to reduce crime....

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns/

kristopher

(29,798 posts)

8. Which position is the truth, Hortensis?

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:34 PM

Mar 2016

That is what everyone wants to know. I read a report that she just had a fund raiser with the NRA, can you provide any details on what the NRA is doing providing direct funding for Hillary's campaign?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)

9. Hers. You know, how come you guys don't

Reply to kristopher (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:39 PM

Mar 2016

ask why the NRA is giving money to an enemy? These people aren't simple minded. They are working deep, long-established strategies that were developed centuries before any of us came along. Heck, they were undoubtedly ancient in the days of Alexander the Great.

Why are the NRA and Wall Street donating to someone who has been an enemy even as they donate far more to the other side to defeat her?

Don't be simple minded. Think.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)

10. "how come you guys don't ask why the NRA is giving money to an enemy?"

Reply to Hortensis (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 7, 2016, 07:46 PM

Mar 2016

Let's make a slight edit for clarity;
"how come you guys don't ask why the NRA is giving money to a supposed enemy?"

That's the question I asked you. Do you have an answer?