2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton's answer on fracking was not "wandering" but precise.
Video of Sanders and Clinton responding to a question on fracking, from last night's Sanders-Clinton debate in water-poisoned Flint:
Commenters to this exchange say Clinton delivered a "wandering answer" that allowed Sanders an opening. He did clobber at that point and throughout, but I disagree about Clinton. Her answer was the well-crafted, encoded political speech of a corporate lobbyist, something Clinton really is good at. I'd say she delivered it flawlessly, as far as her clients are concerned.
Translated, she said that of course she's not going to obstruct anyone's god-given profits from fracking! Ways can always be found to camouflage the crime in loopholes, and to put the rubes to sleep with hours of responsible-sounding legalisms. Even many activists will come to believe something is actually being done to correct the problem, and that a moderate solution can be found, balancing the interests of people who drink water with those of the business ventures who poison it.
Only problem was that this double-talk let Sanders swoop in and deliver the truth in dramatic form. But there will be no fear of that once she is elected. Then it will be all about committee meetings writing the regulations, assuming these even happen.
In Flint, this was a key moment in literary terms, since fracking first of all is about POISONED WATER. (Not to make light of the many other problems such as the earthquakes in Oklahoma, where Sanders scored big on this issue, and of course the insanity of digging out hydrocarbons by this high-polluting method in the age of global warming.)
In terms of attention, meanwhile, the media instead covers the calculated big lie Clinton delivered about Sanders opposing an auto industry bailout. (Or the fact that he talks with his hands, oh my god.) How many voters in tomorrow's primary watched this debate, and will it make a difference?
Watch the video yourself and see if I'm not right. For an example of how this works, consider the Wall Street crash and the response: Dodd-Frank with its thousands of pages of regulations that do not address the Wall Street incentive system, and thus do nothing to change Too Big To Fail.
Yuugal
(2,281 posts)Bernie should try to wiggle fracking into every single debate. Hillary would lose NY (BIG-TIME!) if people knew what a fracker she was.
We are still in a nasty battle over fracking. Gov. Silverspoon, our DLC hack, of course wanted rich people's water protected downstate and fuck us all upstate. We are peasants, so we can die so they can heat their Olympic size swimming pools a little cheaper in the winter. At least that was the plan until we fought back. We are also still fighting the awful Constitution pipeline.
I hope the flames that frackers burn in, down in the bowels of hell, use gas. I can't think of a worse crime to do to our children than to make the water table poisonous. I can't even imagine why people would even contemplate such a crime and then I remember it is greedy boomers closing in on death. They have no conscience, no morals, and they think they can take their money with them.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)We live in Irving. Earthquake central, right where they are happening here.
7wo7rees was part of selling the Barnett.
G'd it all!!
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)He's the ONLY candidate talking about this issue with the urgency is deserves. Another major reason he has my vote.
He totally and perfectly nailed the points on climate change and climate action.
But yeah, he did terribly in the debate :eyeroll:
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)(Michigan still not called - as if they wouldn't have called for Clinton three hours ago.)