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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:15 AM Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders is Sowing Dissent Among Democrats

one of the big reasons Bernie Sanders needs to be stopped is because he is sowing dissent among the party which is dangerous in a year during which the incumbent party is up for re-election. He's dividing the party among young and old, rich and poor. He wants to Europeanize politics, which if it is Bernie and Trump, Euro-left and Euro-right, we'll no longer be a sane political country; we'll have radical ideas and open race and class warfare. Not to mention, Bernie Sanders selling tax hikes would help Trump to the White House. If Bernie Sanders is the nominee, I don't know if I can vote for him.

The Clintons are party heroes, and the youngsters should show some honour to them if they want to vote in a Democratic primary.

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Bernie Sanders is Sowing Dissent Among Democrats (Original Post) ericson00 Mar 2016 OP
I see unity Kalidurga Mar 2016 #1
Thank you, Senator McCarthy. You're saying you'll be voting Republican in the general then? nt villager Mar 2016 #2
The gist of this OP is, "Just eat what we fucking tell you to eat, and smile when you're doing it!" TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #104
Yeahup..... daleanime Mar 2016 #136
Honoured. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #209
Too... Hard... To... Type... gcomeau Mar 2016 #3
+1 Champion Jack Mar 2016 #41
+2 Mbrow Mar 2016 #159
+3 Myrina Mar 2016 #166
+4 lostnfound Mar 2016 #174
+5!!! This has to be a joke, right? Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #177
Thank you. and that was easy to type. Todays_Illusion Mar 2016 #194
+ Plus again Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #203
You state, "Bernie Sanders is saltpoint Mar 2016 #4
+1! He's awesomesauce! n/t Chan790 Mar 2016 #46
Heh. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author Segami Mar 2016 #198
Are you fucking kidding me? cyberswede Mar 2016 #5
Am right there on the floor with you... DeadLetterOffice Mar 2016 #20
Does boneheaded denial have a smell? dchill Mar 2016 #107
It smells like some of the "smug" is going out of the tires. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #145
I'd say it was brilliant swiftian satire, but i think this is how many actually think Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #114
Please let it be Swiftian. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #120
Sadly, probably not satire. alcina Mar 2016 #157
Yeah, this reeks of Modest Proposal-ism, negl nt VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #123
Socialist Wins Michigan Primary Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #6
Well, when you say it like this! artislife Mar 2016 #18
Ok, your response was perfect. cyberswede Mar 2016 #38
We're not in Kansas anymore Oilwellian Mar 2016 #182
I know, right!?! MuseRider Mar 2016 #192
Party Heroes? IdahoGoBlue Mar 2016 #7
Erick Erickson has a DU account? brentspeak Mar 2016 #8
Erick Erickson is equally biased but - in fairness - is more eloquent Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #22
he and the GOP are dying for Bernie to be the nominee ericson00 Mar 2016 #27
Hey Eric... Uglystick Mar 2016 #47
ROFL! business success? Champion Jack Mar 2016 #49
Trump's business success? Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #56
I don't usually drop acid on school nights . . . hatrack Mar 2016 #121
Sound policy! potone Mar 2016 #154
Obviously you aren't very smart timmymoff Mar 2016 #179
Uh huh. redwitch Mar 2016 #9
You sound like a republican EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #10
OMG! monicaangela Mar 2016 #11
+1! n/t marew Mar 2016 #132
Precisely. earthside Mar 2016 #170
Spot on earthside! monicaangela Mar 2016 #200
P u t d o w n t h e b o t t l e HERVEPA Mar 2016 #12
Excellent advice alcina Mar 2016 #160
My father, 72 in 3 months: voted for Bernie. Me, 46 in 2 months: voted for Bernie... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2016 #13
OMG. Boo! Matariki Mar 2016 #14
LOL, you write some great satire Bjorn Against Mar 2016 #15
This sounds like some sort of parody. Are you for real? demmiblue Mar 2016 #16
Hillaryious. n/t tazkcmo Mar 2016 #17
You might have a good argument Gwhittey Mar 2016 #19
GOOD! "Honour?" morningfog Mar 2016 #21
I think that tells us it's a CANADIAN who wrote it. That's how it's done up there. pdsimdars Mar 2016 #146
Please don't blame Canada alcina Mar 2016 #162
Been to Europe? TTUBatfan2008 Mar 2016 #23
its a beautiful place; their politics is not tho ericson00 Mar 2016 #32
my god. cyberswede Mar 2016 #45
1) The communists in Europe aren't as bad as the fascists(in Europe the small-c coms are democratic) Ken Burch Mar 2016 #76
Erm, you have seen the Republican Party right? Kentonio Mar 2016 #111
You could have just admitted you've never been there. beedle Mar 2016 #153
That is some funny fucking shit... cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #24
You could say the same thing about Hillary democrattotheend Mar 2016 #25
Is this a joke? nt roody Mar 2016 #26
What a bunch of authoritarian horseshit. n/t TDale313 Mar 2016 #28
Unrec, thumbs down and trash. Ignore is next. RobertEarl Mar 2016 #29
How fucking patronizing. TM99 Mar 2016 #30
They decided 2012 after all.... JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #57
SNL should use this shtick this coming weekend..funny as hell. Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #31
... SMC22307 Mar 2016 #33
OMG. I'm crying. cyberswede Mar 2016 #48
"The Clintons are party heroes, and the youngsters should show some honour" SMC22307 Mar 2016 #81
Is this Third Way Manny's sock or performance art? merrily Mar 2016 #108
Trash thread nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #34
Is this a sick sarcastic joke? bunnies Mar 2016 #35
Want some cheese with that whine? Uglystick Mar 2016 #36
The Clintons drove me from the democratic party basselope Mar 2016 #37
that's called being a malcontent ericson00 Mar 2016 #55
That's not what "malcontent" means cyberswede Mar 2016 #71
LOL basselope Mar 2016 #86
"The Clintons are party heroes." Chan790 Mar 2016 #39
Seriously. So build em a fucking statue, or something. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #115
Is this a joke post ??? SamKnause Mar 2016 #40
I thought it was satire eShirl Mar 2016 #101
Sorry, but with all respect, this makes no F'en sense to me! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2016 #42
Oh, good grief. Hissyspit Mar 2016 #43
.....Typical desmiller Mar 2016 #44
I'm very disappointed in the replies to your thread. Wilms Mar 2016 #50
Wilms wins! Red Oak Mar 2016 #70
Thanks! Got butter? Wilms Mar 2016 #79
Butter, and some salt free Spike seasoning, Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2016 #178
. Autumn Mar 2016 #98
I think we gotta pick our jaws up off the floor, first Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #116
Congrats to OP! Red Oak Mar 2016 #51
everytime i read posts like this i keep thinking they must be a supporter of the other candidate JI7 Mar 2016 #52
Reliably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme 101 cantbeserious Mar 2016 #53
O.M.G. 2banon Mar 2016 #54
Gee, I thought there was dissent because so many are tired of the crooked half ass old way CBGLuthier Mar 2016 #58
"show some honour to them"? Oh, we're back on the "HRC is owed the nomination" thing. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #59
I hate to nit pick, but the OP spells 'honor' with a 'u' as 'honour' in UK/Canadian style. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #172
good catch. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #208
Hillary is sowing dissent among Democrats, along with a pack of lies. John Poet Mar 2016 #60
What is it like under that rock where you've been dwelling? Lorien Mar 2016 #61
Kicking. What a hilarious post. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #63
WTF Carolina Mar 2016 #64
LOL !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #65
Dissent must not be tolerated. HassleCat Mar 2016 #66
Ha ha SHRED Mar 2016 #67
Heroes! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #68
The Clintons are no heroes of mine. bigwillq Mar 2016 #69
We already have class warfare. The middle class is disappearing, # of poor is growing, billionaires Skwmom Mar 2016 #72
The dissent is a pre-existing condition AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #73
Its not nice to mock HRC supporters with such arch satire. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #74
His politics don't bother me but the RW-ready anti-Clinton stuff is a problem. ucrdem Mar 2016 #75
It was so nasty and devisive of him to lie and say Hillary hadn't supported the auto bailoit EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #139
Awful self righteous eh?! Armymedic88 Mar 2016 #77
How's NAFTA working out for you now? Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #78
Darn right! Those young whippersnappers need to fall in line! RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #80
Hillary is the one out there lying about her opponent. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #82
Complain about "Europeaniz(ing) politics" then use the spelling "honour?" Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #83
Jesus. Party heroes? Where have you been? Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #84
McGovern: "grassroots" candidate who got smoked badly ericson00 Mar 2016 #85
I voted for McGovern in 1972. I'll bet if you were around you Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #93
And dont forget what happened to henry clay, defeated by james k polk Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #125
Completely different circumstances pdsimdars Mar 2016 #148
Boy, that seems very divisive. What are you going to do when Bernie wins? Become republicon? Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #171
Clintons are not my heroes. Never will be. 840high Mar 2016 #87
If I close my eyes, and just take in your essence, it reminds me of silvershadow Mar 2016 #88
OMG! You are hilarious!!! shireen Mar 2016 #89
I assume that was all tongue in cheek? beedle Mar 2016 #90
The dissent was already growing. Bernie was just the right one to come along to unite us. Live and Learn Mar 2016 #91
IMO, I don't see Bernie doing anything, it's some of the supporters. Probably the younger ones. kerry-is-my-prez Mar 2016 #92
Sore loser. Sour grapes. Go away - you are not going to rain on our Parade! jillan Mar 2016 #94
Sanders problem MFM008 Mar 2016 #95
That's right! Those damn peons should just accept the shitty corporate shill candidate Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #96
are you a disgruntled "The Onion" employee? islandmkl Mar 2016 #97
Vote Clinton or else? Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #99
Welcome to DU. B Calm Mar 2016 #100
Balderdash! flor-de-jasmim Mar 2016 #102
Parody? n/t TubbersUK Mar 2016 #103
OMG! He's not the one who's been dividing up the electorate. Someone's desperate! merrily Mar 2016 #105
I don't know about that, certainly it's not a bad thing. I do think this tough race will weaken us Hoyt Mar 2016 #106
Hahhahahah RedCappedBandit Mar 2016 #109
"Bernie Sanders is SHOWING Dissent Among Democrats" RiverLover Mar 2016 #110
Dogs and cats, living together. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #112
Ugh, youths! chade Mar 2016 #135
You ssay those things like they're bad?? dana_b Mar 2016 #113
Holy Tone-Deaf Batman, dude! Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #117
Its that Clinton campaign outreach to the young people, again! Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #126
Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot about the outreach efforts. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #130
The OP is sowing seeds of whatdafuq. nt mariawr Mar 2016 #118
hahahahaha Wake Up LiberalElite Mar 2016 #119
It's called an election. gollygee Mar 2016 #122
Hey, mindem Mar 2016 #124
Oh god, you're serious. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #127
Huh? deutsey Mar 2016 #128
I LOVE THIS THREAD! Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #129
I saw this in a movie. Nuclear Unicorn Mar 2016 #131
Haha! Really? Shadowflash Mar 2016 #133
Pfft. Yeah, okay, good luck with that. n/t Jester Messiah Mar 2016 #134
Bernie is dividing the party? Clinton is running the most divisive campaign in Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #137
Ugh. This is silly. mythology Mar 2016 #138
No, Bernie is exploiting the dissent which exists pinebox Mar 2016 #140
Ok, this is no doubt the perfect example of a hillary supporter! Wow! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #141
what the national party leaders need is a little dissent, if not a whole lot of dissent. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #142
It's the free trade agreements sowing dissent Lone_Wolf Mar 2016 #143
What I want to know is who really are people who think like the OP? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #144
I Can And Will RobinA Mar 2016 #147
You have been taken in by Clinton talking points pdsimdars Mar 2016 #152
Bullshit. LWolf Mar 2016 #149
"honour"? TransitJohn Mar 2016 #150
Ontario Speaks! Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #173
Fixed it for you: Bernie Sanders is Sowing the Seeds of Progressivism Among Democrats Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #151
Hillary's seeds of Progressivism have long ago bloomed into beautiful trees and forests and flowers riversedge Mar 2016 #156
I love the smell of the private prison tree, the Wall Street deregulation bush, and the NAFTA bloom Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 #175
Nonsense. Hillary Clinton sullies the Democratic party with all her lying. flip-flops and Jarqui Mar 2016 #155
comic genius H2O Man Mar 2016 #158
you left off the *sarcasm* tag Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #161
did Manny Goldstein re-emerge as "ericson00"? Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #163
My entire family... N_E_1 for Tennis Mar 2016 #164
This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read votesparks Mar 2016 #165
Class warfare was started by the rich UglyGreed Mar 2016 #167
R or L - all about power IndyV0te Mar 2016 #168
This post is pure comedy gold. marmar Mar 2016 #169
I was alive and voting during the 90s, and I'm voting for Bernie pengu Mar 2016 #176
I'm 31 TSIAS Mar 2016 #180
"The Clintons are party heroes" rofl what a joke! revbones Mar 2016 #181
More like "party herpes". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #185
I give you my hairpiece Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #190
We must have ORDER!! Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #183
WHAT THE HELL? Youngsters should show some honor to the Clintons?? Avalux Mar 2016 #184
Poor Dolores whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #186
WTF is this crap? WolverineDG Mar 2016 #187
Bernie is not sowing dissent. He is representing our dissent. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #188
^^^This^^^ -none Mar 2016 #211
And bow down and kiss her ring All in it together Mar 2016 #189
Among his followers perhaps ... but not me. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #191
Is this meant to be satire? Todays_Illusion Mar 2016 #193
Wait, I think this is satirical, isn't it? Coincidence Mar 2016 #195
Now that I'm finally finished laughing... gcomeau Mar 2016 #196
So now Hillary supporters are pushing xenophobia as a reason to vote for her? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #197
Yea..sure..OK, now breath in, breath out, breath in..... Segami Mar 2016 #199
"Dissent"? You mean "primary elections"? The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #201
What a bunch of tripe. CrispyQ Mar 2016 #202
THe Clintons Sold the Party to the Koch Bros. Heros for THAT? Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #204
Is this satire? Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #205
Are you serious..."party heroes" and "sowing dessent" bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #206
lol, not even good enough to post, "nice try". closeupready Mar 2016 #207
Welllll, HERVEPA Mar 2016 #210
time to kick my favorite thread Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #212
nattering nabobs of negativism, they are! enigmatic Mar 2016 #213
So you don't know if you can vote "D" in the General Election? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2016 #214

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
203. + Plus again
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:35 PM
Mar 2016

THe delusion and tone deafness is astounding

If a right wing Corporatist Democratic Party is your goal -
Bernie is bringing the Party back to it a better day

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
4. You state, "Bernie Sanders is
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:18 AM
Mar 2016

a terrific candidate who has brought many young people into the process, and someone who can revivify the vision of the Democratic Party, enjoining its core constituencies to the greater cause before us, and for those reasons and others, I'm abandoning the Clinton campaign and throwing my support to Bernie!"

Well said, indeed. And welcome. Bernie's the real deal.

Response to saltpoint (Reply #4)

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
5. Are you fucking kidding me?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:18 AM
Mar 2016

The party is already divided. Some of us are thrilled as fuck to finally be able to vote for a candidate we agree with on most issues.

I'm actually floored by the inanity of this OP.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
145. It smells like some of the "smug" is going out of the tires.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:33 AM
Mar 2016

Or some of that "inevitability" is.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
114. I'd say it was brilliant swiftian satire, but i think this is how many actually think
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:06 AM
Mar 2016

They just normally dont come out and say it.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
120. Please let it be Swiftian.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:21 AM
Mar 2016

If people were actually so clueless, my opinion of humanity would have to be negatively adjusted.

alcina

(602 posts)
157. Sadly, probably not satire.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:13 AM
Mar 2016

I lost track of how many times I heard "The Clintons are party heroes" back in 2008. Yet not once, ever, could I get anyone to explain exactly why. Most often, I got a response similar to the op -- condescending, insulting, dismissive. More than once I was called a political dilettante and told I should just stay home if I couldn't support "these two amazing people." Ugh. I'm getting flashbacks now.

Go Bernie!!!!

MuseRider

(34,107 posts)
192. I know, right!?!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:24 PM
Mar 2016

It was probably one of the happiest days in my life. Brownbackistan went full socialist, well one party did the other went full on Talibornagain. So, still, I never would have expected a primary vote of mine to ever count!

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
27. he and the GOP are dying for Bernie to be the nominee
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

it would be too easy for Trump to savage Bernie on his socialism, given his business success

 

Uglystick

(88 posts)
47. Hey Eric...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:25 AM
Mar 2016

1961 called, and they want their red scare back. The time machine is locked up in Ft. Knox.

potone

(1,701 posts)
154. Sound policy!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:06 AM
Mar 2016

One others should take to heart. But then, the Hillarians had a bad night last night; let's give them time to come to terms with it.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
179. Obviously you aren't very smart
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:00 AM
Mar 2016

First off trump can't call out socialism when he accepted it as part of his business model. He also can't hammer Bernie about trade deals like he could Clinton. That dynamic changes when Bernie is in the generals because Bernie can say, " Just another billionaire taking advantage of free trade policies that need changed" Outsourcing etc. You can be scared of what the republicans may do, but I will be damned if I make a choice on what they think or could say. Her Corporateness is going down just like in 2008.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
10. You sound like a republican
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:19 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie is "sowing dissent" the same way Obama is dividing the country (according to repubs).

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
11. OMG!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:19 AM
Mar 2016

I believe you have it backwards. Maybe Hillary should be stopped, she is causing dissent with her constant attacks, and less than half truths.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
170. Precisely.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:36 AM
Mar 2016

It is the Hillary campaign that specializes in Identity Politics ... half the posts here from Hillarians is about separating women and African-Americans from "white state" voters (that is from a Hillary supporter's post).

Sen. Sanders has been much more inclusive in his approach than Clinton. Hillarians may mock Sander's stance, but in the end a good job that pays at least a $15 minimum and affordable health insurance is important to everyone in this country.

What looks like dissent is the consequences of the Clinton political machine trying to steamroller any opposition into 'silent loyalty'.

Well, regular folks aren't having it -- we are all in this together -- it is the Sanders campaign that is being successful with that message.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
13. My father, 72 in 3 months: voted for Bernie. Me, 46 in 2 months: voted for Bernie...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:19 AM
Mar 2016

My children, 26 and 18 by the election: one will vote in FL's primary for Bernie, on will vote in the GE for the Dem nominee (he's hoping his first vote is someone he's inspired by).

Reports of a "fracture" are greatly exaggerated. There are those who are moved by someone who is willing to address (what used to be) the middle class, and those who look at politics as a football game. And then there are hundreds of thousands in between.

Trump would lose to a ham sandwich.

I am not afraid.

~ and yes, all of us will vote for the Dem nominee, whoever it is.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
19. You might have a good argument
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

If the Clinton camp had not used race baiting to make Sanders look like he was a racist. So matter what you say until these types of attacks are part of DNC then it is HRC that is Sowing Dissent Among Democrats.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
32. its a beautiful place; their politics is not tho
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:22 AM
Mar 2016

given how many openly and overtly fascist and communist parties are in parliaments there.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
76. 1) The communists in Europe aren't as bad as the fascists(in Europe the small-c coms are democratic)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:34 AM
Mar 2016

2) The reasons more radical parties(most of the left in Europe aren't communists, btw...they are left-wing socialists or left-Greens, and there's a big difference between those parties and the communists) exist in Europe is that the "moderate" parties have been united in imposing brutal and totally unnecessary austerity measures on ordinary people.

3) What is so terrible about having political figures and parties suggesting alternatives to the status quo? It's not as if the existing order is paradise in most places.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
25. You could say the same thing about Hillary
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

She is sowing discontent by criticizing Bernie. Maybe she needs to be stopped.

I am committed to supporting whoever wins the nomination, but the arrogance and entitlement on display in posts like this is not doing Clinton any favors.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
30. How fucking patronizing.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

Those youngsters and independents are going to decide this election. You better start accepting that fact really fast.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
31. SNL should use this shtick this coming weekend..funny as hell.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:22 AM
Mar 2016

We'll no longer be a sane political country? Best line, EVER.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
81. "The Clintons are party heroes, and the youngsters should show some honour"
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:37 AM
Mar 2016

That's what did it for me!

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
35. Is this a sick sarcastic joke?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:22 AM
Mar 2016

I hope so. Otherwise it's idiotic. Fawns fucking forbid smart people dissent. It must be stopped!!! uke:

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
37. The Clintons drove me from the democratic party
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016

I came back for Bernie.

The DINO's that are the Clinton's will never get my vote.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
39. "The Clintons are party heroes."
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016


Oh, wait. You're serious?!

I know I quip often that Clintonism is a vacuous cult-of-personality...but I didn't think I was actually right!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
115. Seriously. So build em a fucking statue, or something.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:08 AM
Mar 2016

No one is automatically entitled to the party's nomination.

SamKnause

(13,101 posts)
40. Is this a joke post ???
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016

I have zero respect or admiration for the Clinton family.

I am not a youngster.

I am 62.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
50. I'm very disappointed in the replies to your thread.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:25 AM
Mar 2016

Some 31 replies, and hundreds of views and not a single DUer brought popcorn.

So here....

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
178. Butter, and some salt free Spike seasoning,
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:58 AM
Mar 2016

And a big cold glass of iced tea, and I'm done.



Good seasoning for those of us who don't like spicy stuff and lots of pepper:

www.modernfearn.com

Also available from Amazon.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
52. everytime i read posts like this i keep thinking they must be a supporter of the other candidate
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:26 AM
Mar 2016

making the candidate they claim to support look bad.

i do see more from those who claim to support sanders.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
58. Gee, I thought there was dissent because so many are tired of the crooked half ass old way
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

particularly as exemplified by your alleged party heroes.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
59. "show some honour to them"? Oh, we're back on the "HRC is owed the nomination" thing.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:28 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:05 PM - Edit history (1)

We need to get those youngsters to the polls in the fall if we're going to elect ANY Dem. Talking down to them doesn't make that happen.

Oh...and we've had "open race and class warfare" since 1981.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
172. I hate to nit pick, but the OP spells 'honor' with a 'u' as 'honour' in UK/Canadian style.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:43 AM
Mar 2016

I can tell you this, harping about Europe while using Euro spellings is just odd stuff.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
61. What is it like under that rock where you've been dwelling?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:29 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie has a long history of uniting people from every side. The Clintons are one of the most divisive political dynasties in history. The DLC wormed their way into the Democratic Party as "Ex-Republicans" who wanted to "Make the DNC more business friendly", but many also said that the third way's intent was to "destroy liberalism in America", thereby making it a one party government. They've nearly succeeded, but many of us DON'T fall for the establishment bullshit spewed 24/7 on cable TV. The Clintons are not and never have been "party heroes" any more than their dear friends the Bushes are "party heroes" for the GOP.

And no, Bernie would NOT "raise taxes" on the vast majority of Americans. Most Americans would end up with more money in their pockets! See for yourself: www.BernieTax.com

Have you ever BEEN to Europe, or Scandinavia, or even South Africa? They GET MORE for their tax dollars than we do by a long shot.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
64. WTF
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:29 AM
Mar 2016

The Clintons have proven themselves to be traitors to REAL Democratic principles and ideals. NAFTA, Glass-Steagall reversal screwed America big time.

And millenials are feeling the consequences. A 30 year old today is making what a 30 year old made 30 years ago after factoring in sky rocketing college debt.

And, BTW, respect is earned! Young people have no reason to respect the Clinton legacy. In fact, none of us should.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
69. The Clintons are no heroes of mine.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:31 AM
Mar 2016

I think they represent everything that is wrong with the political system in the USA.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
72. We already have class warfare. The middle class is disappearing, # of poor is growing, billionaires
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:31 AM
Mar 2016

are getting richer.
 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
73. The dissent is a pre-existing condition
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:32 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie is simply the only available avenue of expression of that dissent, relative to the Presidential race.

If Bernie disappeared tomorrow, that dissent would still grow as it has, until the reasons for the dissent are addressed and no longer suppressed.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
75. His politics don't bother me but the RW-ready anti-Clinton stuff is a problem.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:33 AM
Mar 2016

He outspent Clinton in Flint 2-1 and by more than a million statewide, and every day for the last couple of weeks there's been a big steaming plate of fresh anti-Clinton oppo in every paper. Nasty stuff too. That's only going to help Trump come September and he's already jawing about the depressed Dem turnout in MI tonight.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
84. Jesus. Party heroes? Where have you been?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:41 AM
Mar 2016

Of all the crap that still haunts us as a result of their hijacking the party you can't be for real. We have always had fresh, enlightened grass roots candidates who have been crushed by the Democratic Machine. You can start with George McGovern. The grassroots are fucking sick and tired of being told to 'hold their noses' and tow the party line and vote for whichever candidate is the 'Loser de Jour' and what has that gotten us? Freaking Hubert Humphrey, Al Gore, John Kerry, etc and NEVER do we get a REAL grassroots candidate.
I am sick of it and I've been voting since 1972.
CNN just announced Sanders WINS Michigan!!!!!!!!


Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
93. I voted for McGovern in 1972. I'll bet if you were around you
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:51 AM
Mar 2016

voted for Tricky Dick. Nixon STOLE McGovern's plan to get my peers out of the draft and Vietnam and that is the ONLY reason he won.
I was tear gassed at protests, pumpkin, and you have no clue what you are talking about.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
125. And dont forget what happened to henry clay, defeated by james k polk
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:38 AM
Mar 2016

As long as we're sitting here in perpetual denial that it is now the 21st century, and all.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
90. I assume that was all tongue in cheek?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:46 AM
Mar 2016

if not, then may I use it because I was looking to make a good ironic post, just for laughs.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
91. The dissent was already growing. Bernie was just the right one to come along to unite us.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:47 AM
Mar 2016

And you really should be happy about it. Political revolution is much prettier than actual revolution.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
92. IMO, I don't see Bernie doing anything, it's some of the supporters. Probably the younger ones.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:50 AM
Mar 2016

It may be their first election and are very enthusiastic (sometimes overly). There's also a lot of very angry people out there (both Republican and Democratic). Wish these people would have been this pissed during the Bush years. That's when I was really pissed off. One can only keep up being that pissed for so long. I'm just happy that we have two good candidates who will have to answer to a large angry group. There are also a lot of angry Trump supporters who are not going to put up with business as usual on the Republican Party. They may boot out the Evangelicals or tea partiers.

MFM008

(19,808 posts)
95. Sanders problem
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:58 AM
Mar 2016

People of color don't like him.
If he doesn't overcome this if he is nominee
we lose.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
96. That's right! Those damn peons should just accept the shitty corporate shill candidate
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:59 AM
Mar 2016

being forcibly shoved down our throats by the media and the Party Poohbahs.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
97. are you a disgruntled "The Onion" employee?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:13 AM
Mar 2016

you are probably going to get fired when they see what you have posted....

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
106. I don't know about that, certainly it's not a bad thing. I do think this tough race will weaken us
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:34 AM
Mar 2016

in the General Election, whoever wins. But that's not to say this race is wrong. Candidates and their policies deserve to be put before voters.

I can definitely vote for Sanders if he wins, I'll even support him as I can. He, like Clinton, is better than any Republican.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
112. Dogs and cats, living together.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:04 AM
Mar 2016

Thanks for the laughably over the top OP.


It must be very frustrating for you that "the youngsters" arent following your orders. Waaah.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
113. You ssay those things like they're bad??
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:05 AM
Mar 2016

"dangerous in a year during which the incumbent party is up for re-election" - good. Get rid of the old and bring on new Bernie type Dems like Tim Canova!

"He's dividing the party among young and old, rich and poor" - um, the divide was there prior to Bernie and it will be there whether he is there or not.

"He wants to Europeanize politics" - sounds AWESOME to me!! I was in Europe last month. Healthcare, 4-6 weeks of paid vacations, paid maternity and paternity leaves, great transportation and infrastructure, retirement and PENSIONS!! I'll take it.

"open race and class warfare" - yes and about damn time....

"selling tax hikes" - nope! Read his plans. A middle class family takes home more under his plans than they are taxed.

"I don't know if I can vote for him." - okay. Well, that's a personal decision.

"The Clintons are party heroes, and the youngsters should show some honour to them" - LOL!!!!!! Oh yeah, now THAT is funny!! Their years of lies and deceit have ruined the party and made it into a corporate crap fest. People have been leaving the party in droves because of their Third Way politics. Young people are a lot smarter than you give them credit for. Oh - and there doesn't have to be some damn party loyalty oath at the polling booth! As long as they follow their states laws, they can vote. I ONLY registered as a Dem in order to vote for Bernie. IF he doesn't win, I will be an Indy again. If that doesn't fit your idea of loyalty, too bad. I don't think that the Clintons deserve a thing from me.








 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
117. Holy Tone-Deaf Batman, dude!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:14 AM
Mar 2016

Sanders isn't sowing the dissent: he is articulating it. It's third Way policy that has been sowing grounds for dissent for thirty years, which is why the Millennials (who have known nothing BUT Third Way policies) are so angry.

European policies will make us "no longer a sane political country" - as opposed to the status quo, with its 15 % poverty rate, and growing income disparity, and vast economic volatility? Yes, that sounds very... sane...

Radical ideas? - I agree, it is so radical to believe that democracy should not be bought by a couple of billionaires. Financial feodalism is the way to go.

Open race and class warfare? That's what we have now, with police shooting unarmed teenagers with impunity, and the middle class and working poor suffering more with every day. Hypocrisy is staring you in the face, dude.

All polls indicate that Sanders would bury Trump in a landslide, whereas Clinton would barely stay ahead of him. If you worry about the White House, vote Sanders.

You don't know if you can vote for him? 14 % of registered democrats feel the same about Clinton, and that's nothing compared to the independents, who hate her guts by a landslide. You want to stay at home on election day? Well, by the sound of your arguments you must have a lovely and rich home. So feel free to spend some quality time there, counting your oversized income.

The Clintons are party heroes? In their dreams, and maybe in the elite circles they like to frequent. Are those the circles you consider to represent the party? Here is news for you: 74% of all millennials are fed up with the status quo. You nominate the status quo candidate, and the party won't have a future base left.

Show some honour to the Clintons? Or else we won't be allowed to vote in the primaries? Do you know how arrogant and entitled, not to mention petty, you sound? I don't owe the Clintons anything, because they have been enabling the decline of my generation. If you screw me, I won't vote for you. If you screw me with lube, I still won't vote for you. It is that simple.

And you, dude, are clueless if you think this petty protest is going to get Clinton any votes. F*CK THAT SH*T!

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
126. Its that Clinton campaign outreach to the young people, again!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:41 AM
Mar 2016

C'mon, kids, tweet your 3 favorite emojis that express how much you enjoy being condescended to by old folks!

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
130. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot about the outreach efforts.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:44 AM
Mar 2016

Good to see some Clinton supporters still make the effort.

to you.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
122. It's called an election.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:31 AM
Mar 2016

People get to run for office. We vote for who we want and the one with the most votes wins. That's how democracy works.

I'm sick and tired of babies on both sides of this stupid feud saying they won't vote for the other candidate if they win. People don't usually get a candidate they agree with 100%.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
127. Oh god, you're serious.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:41 AM
Mar 2016

...And to think you call yourself a democrat, with that authoritarian drivel you've spewed all over your keyboard.

Nanjeanne

(4,959 posts)
137. Bernie is dividing the party? Clinton is running the most divisive campaign in
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:07 AM
Mar 2016

her entire campaign history. I thought she was divisive in 2008 but the 2016 Hillary is burning it down.

Clinton may be a "party hero" to some but that's a party I've been long dismayed over. I'm partying with the block. Not interested in an invite to the fancy soirée where only the elite meet -- as long as they bring the big bucks for the party givers.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
140. No, Bernie is exploiting the dissent which exists
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:21 AM
Mar 2016

The Dem party has become a joke & nothing but. When you have 89 Dems who vote to gut SNAP http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1/29/1273428/-These-89-Democrats-Voted-to-Cut-8-7-Billion-from-Food-Stamps and defending payday loan places (ironically DWS did both) there's a big problem.

When you have a candidate who is under an FBI investigation and who is being shoved down our throats day and night with how she is entitled to the presidency despite being the most untrustworthy politician, there's a problem.

Think about it. People are fed up and sick of getting screwed and we have a candidate who can't even fight for a living wage?
Seriously REALLY?
Ain't nobody got time for that.

Lone_Wolf

(1,603 posts)
143. It's the free trade agreements sowing dissent
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:28 AM
Mar 2016

The same free trade agreements Billary support. Some day they might realize they shouldn't sell out the same people they're asking votes from.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
144. What I want to know is who really are people who think like the OP?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:30 AM
Mar 2016

It's like total delusion, of the kind and scale you see amongst Republicans. Black is white, up is down. . wacko.
It was Bill Clinton who got rid of Glass-Steagel and allowed the banks to crash our economy. It was Clinton who signed all those "tough on crime" bills that made us the country with the most prisoners and that high AA percentage of prisoners. And he signed the Communications bill that allowed the media to go to hell. And NAFTA that ruined our manufacturing, I think Bernie says that 60,000 companies left the country. Don't forget welfare reform that destroyed the social safety net. It goes on and on.
We had 8 years of him and 8 years of Obama and the wages for the American workers have not gone up. That's 16 of the last 24 years and YOUR wages have not gone up, but the corporations are raking it in at historical rates and, thank GOD, the Koch brother's wealth DOUBLED under Obama. So they should be honoring the Democrats but not regular Americans who are working harder and longer and getting paid less. Whoopie for those "incremental' changes, which amount to no changes at all in reality.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
147. I Can And Will
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:39 AM
Mar 2016

vote for Sanders, although I lean Hillary, but I fear he will not win against Trump. Neither of these guys' more outrageous positions will survive their first briefing as president-elect I'm actually more concerned about the Senate, which could flip under the right circumstances. I see a Trump/Sanders GE as completely unpredictable at this point, as there really is no precedent in recent times. A many times Senator and a real estate billionaire both running as "anti-establishment" candidates. Who will turn out beyond their core constituencies and who will stay home is anybody's guess.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
152. You have been taken in by Clinton talking points
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:03 AM
Mar 2016

"outrageous positions"
Free college -- we used to have free college, someone like Jefferson set up the first land grant colleges.
Universal healthcare -- every developed nation on earth has that and they pay half what we do and they get better results.
NOTHING he has proposed it "outrageous". AND he put out how he will pay for it all and it will involve no new taxes for those who make under $250,000, Most people will SAVE money because they will be paying nothing for healthcare.
Bernie is the only candidate who has been shown to BEAT EVERY GOP candidate in polls for months now, by large margins. It is Clinton who does not beat them.
And another talking point myth you have bought into is the voters. Bernie regularly gets 20% of the REPUBLICAN vote in Vermont. He polls well with the independents AND in the last couple of weeks he has broken voter turnout records in Kansas, Maine and now Michigan.
So, try to get your mind cleared of all the lies put out by the Clinton campaign. Truth may be hard to come by, but it is a good, strong basis to have.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
149. Bullshit.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:54 AM
Mar 2016

The dissent has been there since the neo-liberal takeover a couple of decades ago. He's just overpowering the silencing machine within the party. We can no longer be patronized, demeaned, marginalized and hidden.

The Clintons are part of that neo-liberal takeover, and therefore part of the destruction of this party. Sanders gives the party a chance for relevance. I'm glad to see so many young people leading the charge against the neo-liberalism that got us where we are today. Whether or not Sanders wins or loses this year, they're going to be voters for a long time, and my greatest hope is that they will bring an end to the neo-liberal era in the Democratic Party.

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
156. Hillary's seeds of Progressivism have long ago bloomed into beautiful trees and forests and flowers
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:11 AM
Mar 2016

and will continue to do so. Sanders is a late bloomer after all these in Congress.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
155. Nonsense. Hillary Clinton sullies the Democratic party with all her lying. flip-flops and
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:08 AM
Mar 2016

deception. Please ask her to stop embarrassing us with that kind of behavior. We've already had one Clinton defile the Oval office with unsavory behavior and lies. We don't need another.

If she wants to carry on Obama's presidency, she can start by demonstrating doing so with Obama's good character and integrity. I realize that's a real challenge for someone as chronically dishonest as Hillary but that's the foundation required for legitimately taking the baton from Barack. I do not see why Americans should settle for any less. That's the key reason Americans went for Obama over Hillary in the first place.

If she's not up to it, which it appears from her behavior in this campaign, why doesn't she step aside. Because in Bernie, we have a candidate who is up to it and will do a great job without embarrassing us.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(9,721 posts)
164. My entire family...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:28 AM
Mar 2016

Lives in Michigan. Scattered across the state. We have old people, we have young people
We have some that are indies, we have some that are republicans, we have many Dems.
Every one of us voted for Sanders in this primary.
We stand united.
We really don't care about honorifics...we vote for the betterment of the people.

UglyGreed

(7,661 posts)
167. Class warfare was started by the rich
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:32 AM
Mar 2016

CEOs who have raided the pension funds, made many homeless and suppressed wages for far too long... You asked for a fight now you got one....

IndyV0te

(18 posts)
168. R or L - all about power
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:32 AM
Mar 2016

I am new here, an Indy voter, and a Gen X'er. Things like what the OP said make no sense to me.

Bottom Line: Americans are waking up from "machine politics". Many now see that the establishment Right or Left are the same. It is all about/for them and to heck with the rest of the country.

The Repugs can't fall over themselves fast enough to destroy Trump. He has tapped into this mistrust and "I'm not going to take this anymore" feeling and they are terrified. The exact same for the IdiotDems. Hillary IS the problem. The Clintons' ARE the machine. Trump is not (and Bernie to a lesser degree) and that is why people are drawn to them. The more the establishment attacks, the better they look in the eyes of the public.

If we must no longer have a "sane political country" to throw off the shackles of the establishment, so be it. Remember the goal is power over the masses. Always has been and the establishment will do whatever it takes to keep it.


pengu

(462 posts)
176. I was alive and voting during the 90s, and I'm voting for Bernie
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

What I find hilarious is this: "sowing dissent among the party ... dividing the party among young and old" followed up by "the youngsters should show some honour to them if they want to vote in a Democratic primary".

That is just hilariously hypocritical and condescending.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
180. I'm 31
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:09 AM
Mar 2016

What type of honour should I show the Clintons? They are public servants. I don't owe them anything.

If anyone is dividing this primary on racial lines, it's the Clinton side.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
181. "The Clintons are party heroes" rofl what a joke!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:26 AM
Mar 2016

"youngsters should show some honour to them if they want to vote in a Democratic primary"

Awww... it's kinda cute when a establishment believer gets their fee-fees hurt.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
183. We must have ORDER!!
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche

WolverineDG

(22,298 posts)
187. WTF is this crap?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:56 AM
Mar 2016

"If Bernie Sanders is the nominee, I don't know if I can vote for him.

The Clintons are party heroes, and the youngsters should show some honour to them if they want to vote in a Democratic primary."

Deal with the fact that in a democracy, people get to vote for the person THEY believe is not the person YOU support. Being the party's nominee is not something we take turns with. =

I have voted in presidential elections since 1984. In every election, except 2008 & 2012, there was a Bush or a Clinton on the ticket. I'm sick of this political dynasty bull shit.

I don't owe the Clintons a god-damned thing.

-none

(1,884 posts)
211. ^^^This^^^
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:05 PM
Mar 2016

That is the power of Bernie Sanders. We know this because he speaks the truth, using facts. No one else running is using as much truth and facts in their campaign as Bernie.
This is the first time in decades we've had a choice other than the lesser of the evils. Let's not squander it.

All in it together

(275 posts)
189. And bow down and kiss her ring
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

Only speak to her majesty when she asks you too and say what she wants to hear.

Oops, we're over having kings and queens since 1776.

 

Coincidence

(98 posts)
195. Wait, I think this is satirical, isn't it?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:21 PM
Mar 2016
The Clintons are party heroes, and the youngsters should show some honour to them if they want to vote in a Democratic primary.

I just can't believe that was typed without a tongue firmly in cheek...

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
196. Now that I'm finally finished laughing...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:23 PM
Mar 2016

Let me summarize your argument:

"If the Democratic party moves left we will not have sane politics in this country. Societal collapse! Anarchy! We must stay to the right! Fear The Bernie!"



WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN DOING ON THIS FORUM????

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
197. So now Hillary supporters are pushing xenophobia as a reason to vote for her?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 01:27 PM
Mar 2016

You can't vote for Sanders because of tax hikes?

Further and further to the right they go...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
201. "Dissent"? You mean "primary elections"?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:12 PM
Mar 2016

You know, sometimes several candidates from the same party will run against each other in order to be chosen as the presidential candidate in the general election. We call this process primary elections. Because the candidates are running against each other, they usually will disagree on various issues, even if they support, more or less, their party's basic positions. When a candidate disagrees with another candidate he is not "sowing dissent." He is trying to persuade voters that his positions on the issues are better than the other candidate's. Here is the clue you obviously need: This is what the goddamn f*cking primary elections are for! Disagreeing with Hillary is not sowing dissent; it's competing to be the party's goddamn nominee!

Jeez.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
202. What a bunch of tripe.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:31 PM
Mar 2016
...the youngsters should show some honour to them if they want to vote in a Democratic primary.


This is the biggest pile of bullshit I've read on this site today. Man, do I miss unrec!

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
206. Are you serious..."party heroes" and "sowing dessent"
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

What in the hell are you talking about. Bernie wants for the American people what they should have. He is not dividing...that is pure bs. He is telling the truth. He is not the elitist 1% who want power after they have all the money they need and want. He is what is good about America. Don't vote for him if that is what you want but there will be plenty who do.

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