Oh, wait. You were serious, weren't you?

I dare you.

Either Hillary or especially Bernie would beat Trump in a walk. Why do you think the GOP establishment is trying so hard to get rid of him? They know he'd be toast in the GE.

who is a self-admitted socialist is gonna win the Presidency? Yeah right. Hillary is such a bad candidate she hasn't even put him away yet tho. Ugh.

That is national polls and they don't matter in General Election

State by state information and estimates taken from RealClearPolitics and Huffington Post Pollster averages.

GHW Bush, in 1988, was the last Republican to win here, and (not that March head-to-head polls are worth anything) Clinton outpolls Trump here.

Flip that in your cartoon and at worst, we're tied 269-269.

Put Sen Brown on the ticket and we get OH, 287-251 - winner.

A fake christian billionaire with a big dumb mouth and the support of the kkk, vs Bernie? Bernie. Trump will bring dems out and piss off enough regular repubs until they do a third party thingy or just not vote. Againt Hillary? Ha! I mean, he is kinda scared of women, it seems. Megyn Kelly ate his lunch and made him look stupid.

Versus Cruz, I think we'd also win because his base of support is far right wing evangelicals, who hold less sway than they did in elections a decade ago. I sure hope we're correct here.

And he isn't bald. He is Jewish, but why does that matter to you? It is true, though, that Hillary is a bad candidate. But Trump is a horrible candidate and the GOP knows it.

God, the effrontery to even be running for President...

'Merica

Don't blame the messenger.

Bernie isn't short or bald.

No way no how. I remember hearing that.

you are either trolling or are a very fearful person.

We picked the one democrat GOP would crawl over broken glass to vote against. Bernie would have been no better.

Free speech, guy. What a concept.

Unfortunately, it's an obstacle.

Someone has to be the first and it could very well be Bernie Sanders.

Unfortunately, it's an obstacle.

Bernie kicks ass.







Notice the last 2 on the list.

That is why you can't post anything specific here.

When Bernie Sanders Thought Castro and the Sandinistas Could Teach America a Lesson

As mayor of Burlington, Sanders praised the regimes of Nicaragua and Cuba—claiming bread lines were a sign of economic health and press censorship was necessary in wartime.

because Biden screwed everyone who does.

They are preparing riot gear for theor convention. I cannot wait until the repub convention.

likely be riots and all.

Assuming Democrats don't have a big hissy fit because their candidate lost the nomination, or for any other reason. Trump is a lousy debater. When they ask him a question about the economy and he talks about his big penis, it's all over. His schtick works in the primaries because the rest of the Republican field is made up of lousy debaters, and the primary audiences realize they have no decent candidate, so they might as well have some fun and express their frustration by voting for Trump.

Bernie has energized Democratic voters and is appealing to independents as well.

Trump supporters are mainly pissed of and unfocused. They recognize (correctly) that the system is broken, but have no clue how to fix it. They're too angry or politically naive to see straight. They're basically just casting protest votes.

Bernie's supporters aspire to a more just, equitable, and inclusive America, and they have a strong sense of how to get there from here.

In a perfect world he would be President. I don't believe America is ready for him. Hillary isn't a great candidate either. We need joe biden

I would be a hypocrite to support him.
The one key advantage he has over Hillary is that he has a certain charm.
I realize that goes a long way.
But policies matter.

And why would you want that?

Flawed doesn't even begin to describe those asshats.

Hats off to Bernie Sanders - I did not think his team could pull Michigan off. If they can get wins in Ohio and Pennsylvania, this could turn into a repeat of 2008 for HRC. I'm hoping that Hillary can right the ship.

That said, Hillary won't use the weapon Republicans will start off with - his age. Bernie Sanders would be 75 upon taking office. The job is a huge stressor, and no one that old has ever been elected as a first termer. The reality is that a second term would be unlikely at best. Average life expectancy is 78 in the US, so getting through the first term -- statistically speaking -- isn't a certainty. I've yet to hear a convincing response to that criticism.

Basically the same age Reagan was when he took office. So Bernie Sanders would be older than Reagan at the outset of his 2nd term. A term - I might add - in which it has been widely rumored that the late Nancy Reagan did much of the day to say decision making.

...was when he took office.

BTW, Sec Clinton will turn 69 in Oct.

A fill presidential term + 25% older.

Yes. He's in good health. Yes. He'd get the best of care. I think if you vote for him, you do so knowing he's more than likely one-termer.

That said, I think whoever gets elected this cycle is a one -termer. Different topic entirely.

it was on Quora but I have seen a convincing response to that criticism. (Edit: found it. http://qr.ae/R9g1ch)

I can summarize it in the meanwhile...the odds of Sanders dying in the next 4 years are low, based on demographics and his current health. Mathematically, the longer you've been alive to this point without dying or terminal illness, the longer your life-expectancy adjusts higher. A man of Sanders age, having lived to the age of 74 without chronic or terminal disease has an adjusted life expectancy of more than 86 years old. In fact, despite being 5 years younger, Donald Trump is only statistically-projected to outlive Sanders by about 2-3 years and to die younger.

Expanding further, and outside the scope of the above cited response...

Hillary throws a wrench into things...her life expectancy is higher than both (87.2 years), but due to her past history of an inter-cranial bleed on the wrong side of 60, she's also about 10% more likely than either to possibly just drop-dead in the next 4 years without warning and largely through unavoidable circumstance. (People who have an intracranial bleed past the age of 60 are at substantially-higher risk of death by aneurysm or stroke than age-comparable peers.)

Of course, the odds that all three of them get hit by trains tomorrow in separate incidents are not zero either. Some criticisms are not worth the worry...when it's your time to go, it's time to go and only rarely is it even delay-able.

I'd say this. The projected expectancy for Sanders barely gets him thru 2 terms, and the job is beyond high stress.

ANOTHER center right DINO.

Bernie wins the GE easily.

if only for a few minutes.

'cause you sound drunk

Just a bit tho. I'm not impaired

I also think Trump could win.

It's going to be quite the race.

than Hillary. The sands have shifted, friend, and you are stuck in the muck. The people are speaking out and they are sick and tired of the same old same old loser policies of the DNC. We call it a 'revolution' because that is what happens when the proletariat finally realizes they are being USED and SCREWED and are fed up and are not going to take it anymore. Things have changed.

Thanks for coming out to play ... and now say good night ...

Can't think of a single weak spot of Donald Trump.

You're fired!

In fact, they both project to have significant Republican crossover in their direction if Trump is the nominee.

Democrats hate Trump.
Independents hate Trump.
Even a majority of Republicans hate Trump.

We've found a unity issue everybody can agree about...Fuck Donald Trump!!

Way to take the pulse of the country, a good chunk of which is going to be legalizing marijuana soon.

Hispanics.

in order to win the presidency, Republicans need at least 40% of the Hispanic vote. W got 45% and barely beat Gore with the help of the SCOTUS.

how much of that vote do you think Trump will get? maybe 20%? Trump has alienated Hispanics and damn near every other minority group along the course of his repulsively xenophobic campaign. hell, he even took a shot at disabled people, how low is that?

the GOP leadership isn't upset and struggling to stop Trump just because he's running a campaign pandering to their racist contingent. they've been fine with having socially conservative racists in their party since '68, as long as the racists stay satisfied with lip service to their "family values" while supporting tax breaks for the wealthy. no, they're upset and struggling because if he's the headliner on their ticket, he will not only lose the presidency, his loss will be epic, and it will have down-ticket repercussions. Democrats won't just win back the senate, we'll do it in style. Trump's defeat will be spectacular and herald the end of the GOP as a major national party for a decade or more, as it becomes pariah to the growing demographic of energetic Hispanic voters. there's a lot of $$$ to be had for these elites in bankrolling a GOP congresscritter, seen as a safe investment with potentially high returns, and Trump's about to drop a fat dookie into that punchbowl for a generation.

Trump is unraveling the tenuous coalition that's been terrorizing this nation since 1968. the party elites are seeing decades of careful positioning and backroom bargaining getting flushed down the shitter by one jingoistic douchebag, ostensibly for his own ego gratification. Trump as the GOP nominee is a best case scenario. honestly, if he gets the nomination, the Democrats could win running the proverbial ham sandwich, let alone either of the highly qualified and well-regarded candidates campaigning for the nomination.

I'm thinking he has a 15% ceiling and it'll likely be lower wrt Trump's numbers with Hispanics. I mean Romney got like 27%.

.... the Republican field is occupied by lunatics ... with the frontrunners easily identifiable as bat-sh*t crazy

Please don't take my word. Do a search.


Thank you in advance.

You've got nothing on me. Nothing.

what's wrong with that? 538 is (was) the preeminent political polling site and a revered site on DU and any serious politics site.

Who would have thunk (sic) the first card you would play is the " I know what I am. Who are you you?" card?

Everybody.

#lol@me

I have confidence in Bernie.

where the fuck do you come off with Bernie is a deeply flawed candidate.

My question to you is are you sure you are at the right place when you post shit like this?
Did you stumble and come in the wrong door by any chance

I'm sure that Bernie would beat any of the republicans -- all of whom, I hope we could agree, are seriously flawed.

I am not as confident about Hillary's ability to win. But I sure as hell will be campaigning for her. Any one of those republicans would usher in a Dark Age. And I am 100% serious.

the prospect of either Trump or Cruz winning is terrifying.

Well before I even considered endorsing one of the Democratic candidates, I posted a series of OPs on my very real concerns about a potential republican victory in November. I do not subscribe to the old "lesser of two evils" argument.

Rather, I think that any one of the republican candidates would open the exact same door ....and the result will be an aggressive form of fascism, unlike anything that most people could imagine. The thought of either Trump or Cruz winning should alarm every person of good will, no matter how they self-identify.