2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIsraelis Prefer Hillary Clinton to Bernie Sanders by 2-1 Margin
The Israel Democracy Institute’s Peace Index survey released Sunday found that 40.5 percent of Jewish-Israelis see former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as “preferable from Israel’s standpoint,” while only 16.5 percent prefer Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who is Jewish.
http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/335326/israelis-prefer-hillary-clinton-to-bernie-sanders-by-2-1-margin/
All the more reason I support Hillary!!
add: maybe it is in part because of this: http://www.jewishjournal.com/election2016/article/bernie_sanders_brother_is_a_bds_supporter
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Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)
omg. :lmfao:John Poet
(2,510 posts)on my vote.
Both Hillary and the Israelis are warhawks, so it's no big surprise.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
Yeah, but those who place Israel over the U.S. are a lot less.
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grossproffit
(5,591 posts)This is a Democratic forum. They are our closest ally in the Middle East.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)okay then
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)maybe a review of history is needed
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)I better get in my bunker. America is doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!
ericson00
(2,707 posts)and his relations with Israel is one of those I disagree with. He fell into the linkage trap, that "daylight" between us and Israel would help us with Muslims, and it didn't turn out. Hillary knew better during the 2008 campaign, and still knows better.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)btw and on the Clinton Foundation Saban pledged millions while she was SoS
ericson00
(2,707 posts)they have a role in life, society, and democracy to play too. CF is an honourable and venerable org.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts) TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)and trust the clintons.
they don't know bernie.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Color me surprised... 
TheFarseer
(9,323 posts)She'll get involved in the Middle East at the drop of a hat. And US intervention, for better or worse, always favors Israel.
Raster
(20,998 posts)This should be VERY EVIDENT. Hill's BFFs with Kissinger, and evidently endorsed by Kagan.
The neocons have found their new Caesar, and she wears a pantsuit!
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)
JI7
(89,252 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)evil terror jihad and accept that there will forever be a Jewish State, I'll give a hoot.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)You just describe the Israeli apartheid franchise.
Take a bow.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)are terrorist uncivilized depraved fanatical savagery. THE END.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)destruction of farms and groves, harassment, illegal colonization, torture, murder.
These Are the devices of Israeli apartheid.
Chew on that while you are making excuses.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Which counts more than the Israeli vote.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Can you at least try to be factual?
ericson00
(2,707 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Steve Rabinowitz,who runs a Washington communications firm and helped launch Jewish Americans Ready for Hillary, a pro-Clinton fundraising group, said an early Sanders win could capture younger Jewish voters, but that the important community of Jewish donors remains committed to Clinton.
Seriously?
ericson00
(2,707 posts)more than 2:1 ratio, just like in the Jewish State.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Try harder.
On edit, here's the poll:
September 11, 2015
WASHINGTON (JTA) —
That’s a virtual tie, based on the 4.7 percent margin of error. The poll of 1,035 Jews was conducted Aug. 7-22 by GfK. Recent general population polling has showed support for the deal plummeting to the 20s.
...
On the Iran deal, the AJC pollsters went for a straightforward question: “Recently, the U.S., along with five other countries, reached a deal on Iran’s nuclear program. Do you approve or disapprove of this agreement?”
A range of other polls of U.S. Jews on the Iran issue have been accused of bias because of questions that attempted to contextualize or explain the deal.
In a follow-up question, the AJC respondents showed a lack of confidence in the ability of the deal to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Those who replied “very confident” numbered just 4.9 percent, while “somewhat confident” were at 30.7 percent; The “not so confident” came in at 30.1 percent and the “not at all confident” were at 33.2 percent. Overall, that showed 35.6 percent expressing confidence in the deal and 64.3 percent expressing a lack of confidence.
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Respondents were slightly likelier than not to believe that ties between the United States and Israel were strained. Asked if U.S.-Israel ties were getting better or worse, 4.7 percent said “better” and 42.2 percent said they were the same, while 51.9 percent said they were worse.
Respondents were culled from a pool of 55,000 people who had been asked through a system of random selection to participate in such surveys. They responded via email.
Traditional pollsters prefer cold-calling, saying that self-selection — in this case, by agreeing to be part of a survey pool —inevitably skews results, leaving out respondents who might otherwise not have prepared themselves for polling. However, with the advent of cell phones, cold-call surveys have become for some groups prohibitively expensive, and an increasing number of polls are conducted through email among respondents who have expressed a willingness to be surveyed.
- See more at: http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=7oJILSPwFfJSG&b=8479729&ct=14762867#.dpuf
Hardly unbiased.
Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)and I'm an American Jew; and so are most of my American Jew friends.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)than the polls. Keep living in ignorant bubbles. And hell, behind a screen, anyone's "friends" can think anything.
Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)It was a broad statement and I challenged it from my experience. There is no call for your personal attack and insinuations that I'm not speaking the truth.
choie
(4,111 posts)Not "America" and tHIS Jew is a Proud Bernie supporter. You don't speak for all Jews.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)you can use the find function on your keyboard https://berniesanders.com/about/
see, that kind of whackery from you, no one needs.
choie
(4,111 posts)Bernie has bought into our identification as "America" as if the rest of the American continent doesn't mean shit. That's not whackery, that's geography, and all it does is come off as patronizing and arrogant to the rest of the world, especially our neighbors to the south and north. Stop with the jingoism and Israel-first crap.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
Wilms
(26,795 posts)
Recommended!
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)on all the illegal Jewish American fundies squatting on stolen Palestinian in the West bank. Can they send their ballots by mail?
Wilms
(26,795 posts)However, in kind donations are made on their (and others) behalf providing a surprisingly effective degree of, er, "ballot access", if you will.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You must have forgotten to include that part.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)is pretty close, also given the MoE of 4.1% in that poll. You forgot that.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)He's had a rocky relationship with Netanyahu.
BIG difference.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)USA... USA... USA...
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Maybe that has something to do with it.
Uglystick
(88 posts)She's an American living in Israel.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,415 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Its nothing to be proud of.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Carolina
(6,960 posts)and especially Bibi. Israel is not a friend to the US; it's a parasite that takes and takes and takes and causes nothing but additional havoc in the ME. What does the US get for its annual $3 billion payment to Israel. Seriously?
I may be flamed but it's about time that we allow criticism of Israel, its occupations and its militarism that loves to get the US embroiled fighting the nations surrounding it. This is not anti-Semitism. It's about spending our tax $$$ here stateside where people (not just in Flint) are poisoned by water systems, where schools and roads are crumbling, where health CARE remains elusive because the ACA is about insurance...
ericson00
(2,707 posts)you are so out of touch with Americans of all political stripes
Carolina
(6,960 posts)And despite your chart of support which reflects the opinions of Americans who are brainwashed by corporate news, the world recognizes the illogical support of Israel by the US even when Israel bombs the USS Liberty or kills Americans like Rachel Corrie or does a host of things Americans are ignorant of: http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
Israel's treatment of the Palestinians has been no less egregious than Hitler's treatement of European Jews or European settlers treatment of indigenous native American tribes. Wrong is wrong, so I don't give a rip about your chart of those who support WRONG!
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Propaganda isn't history. Alison Weir is a vile POS.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Your "opinions" in regards to Israel are not shared by the Democratic party.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)such arrogance. You can continue with your BS responses, but I am not alone in my desire to spend my tax $$$ here and avoid ME conflicts that Israel's right wing loves.
Americans stupidly equate Palestinians with terrorists because of US media depictions. But if you've ever seen Israelis bulldoze Palestonian homes where people live and seen CHILDREN fleeing the destruction, you know who the true terrorists are.
Now get thee to an Israel first forum where you belong because I'm done rebutting your foolishness
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)All you did was propagate propaganda from an online opinion blog. Your "opinions" are not in line with the Democratic parties policy and that's the party that I belong to.
longship
(40,416 posts)And Hillary supports him.
That is the difference between a C Street supporter (Hillary) and one who sees such things as opportunities for peace, neither of whom Hillary nor Netanyahu desire .
ericson00
(2,707 posts)war, he'd have taken out Iran's nuke facilities by now, but he didn't. He's a lot more peaceable than Abu Mazen or Hamas
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Ex-Defense Minister: Netanyahu Wanted To Attack Iran But Was Overruled
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)In my family.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Jarqui
(10,126 posts)Personally, I'm not going to lose much sleep over what the want.
America has plenty on it's hands right here and Bernie wants to focus on that and stay out of trouble in the middle east
WillyT
(72,631 posts)USA !!! USA !!! USA !!!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Viva la Israel.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)ericson00
(2,707 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)don't really care to much about Chomsky. I'm way more a fan of Uri Avereny
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)So I don't really care what they think and I think the U.S.'s unconditional support of Israel is a mistake. Israel absolutley has a right to exist and the Jewish people have a right to a homeland, BUT so do the people of Palestine.
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)At least Madagascar doesn't have a complete asshole as a Prime Minister.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)isn't running to lead Israel.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Response to ericson00 (Original post)
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Autumn
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