Particularly when you've been convinced your candidate is perfect. I admire her because she isn't passive aggressive in the least like her Independent opponent.

this is what it takes to win an election. Just hope theres someone left to vote for her in the GE after she burns all her bridges.

Except she won't be able to maneuver like Frank Underwood.

links showing he was member of minutemen vigilante groups.

in the same sentence - ever!

To score a political points, on a totally fake issue that she made up. If yhst's not passive-agressive, I don't know what is.

Really a tacky move I would have expected from the other side.

I smell the brimstone of desperation in the air.

You will never score any political points by doing that. Republicans do that kind of crap, and now I guess Bernie supporters do too.

It was a slam on your hero, Hillary. Me thinks thou protesteth too much!

For lying, per usual. All of this bullshit about Bernie using the term ghetto is hysterical nonsense that ignores the fact that he was relaying a conversation he had with a BLM activist. Clinton and others, cynically forgot to mention that he was quoting a BLM a activist who has as much right to speak her BLACK experience as I do. To turn this into so battle of tears was despicable. Feel free to quote me, an actual black person on that when you are done being outraged

the "you've been convinced your candidate is perfect" bovine feces, is a perfect example of the deceit rampant in the Clinton campaign, and among her supporters. Bernie supporters do not think Bernie is perfect. Furthermore, Bernie supporters are aware that our work is just beginning.

And, guess what, LeFleur1? We're in it for the long haul, and for everyone, even those who remain loyal to Hi11ary.

(Please don't bother to reply. You are the most recent addition to my IL.)

When you've got Mr. Perfect, what can I say. Truth is never pretty or unbiased. It's always going to piss someone off. I'm tired of old, white men telling me what I can do and wagging their finger. Doesn't work for me, never has, unless I was six years old and it was my father. He's gone now, so no one wags a finger and gets my support......ever.

...I bet you would have loved you some Maggie Thatcher, fascist policies be damned. But, but...she's a woman!!!

OR sit home?

I think the Clintons are gross.

Hell, I even remember when Democrats would call out the liars on the Republican side. Now, many cheer when a Democratic candidate flat out lies her ass off.

I look at the gop clown car with the lies and insults and shake my head. But then I look at DWS and HRC and realize that the lines are starting to blur. It used to be a lot clearer. But between the lies, smears, bad decisions, cozy corporate relationships, and backroom handshake deals the democratic party is starting to look more and more like the the clown car party. But if Hillary wins the nomination I guess we are expected to vote for her "for the good of the party."

She needs new council, because whoever is feeding her these bright ideas, is making her commit political suicide.

it.

You want to sell woof tickets? Do it with the truth.

but her accusations of Bernie are so outrageous that it seems like she has lost her mind not just the election. Her problem with Bernie is there isn't much to accuse him of so she must lie. He is an open book to all.

Maybe she was just giddy with the idea of throwing a few more lies about him into the crowd.

She knows that even if they are lies, and even if he tries to rebut some of it later, some of it sticks. That's why she has no integrity...she doesn't care if he loses because of her lies. She can't win on her own merits, so this is all she has.

I didn't get to watch most of the debate, so tomorrow will try to find a video of it. But the little bit I did watch had me wanting to scream at her...just STFU! I may have to take "happy pills" tomorrow just to watch this in full.

That is the default affliction one suffers once they begin to buy into right wing thinking.

well said ! "She suffers from Cognitive Dissonance"

Her impression of Khrushchev (without the shoe) is not bad though:

I've ever heard: What Trump thinks.

the person above me made the claim that republicans are dying to challenge Hillary.

The counter point is that Trump appears more interested in challenging Sanders, and thinks it'd be an easier contest.

Your fallacious argument is crap. There was no mention.. at all.. that this is any way reason to vote for Hillary.

weak attempt at a strawman.

Socialist....how novel. That line of attack is about as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning. So what else are they going to attack him on except for the predictable stuff?

Hillary, on the other hand, they have a dossier on her like nobody's business.

and big IF... Hillary steps into the race.

Think of how polarizing she is just within OUR party -- magnify that by the rest of the country who are Independents and Republicans. It just does not add up to say she'll somehow make up lost ground by being herself.

I wonder who she'll try to be next... hmmmm

That particular picture of FDR and Stalin would certainly be wonderfully delicious red-meat for the shallow idiocy of the here and now. However, as shallow idiocy scores bonus points to the sub-literate, as aptly illustrated by this thread, I can certainly realize your draw to it.

The exact same tactic that HRC is using. Look how well that worked in MI.

Do you know what would've sold wonderfully for Hillary Clinton? Just embrace Sanders from the get-go. Offer nothing but praise, but say she's got more ability to actually move an agenda, because she has more of a political coalition that's willing to work with her. I wouldn't buy it, personally, but I'd respect it.

But she's so entitled that she and her supporters/staff have seemed offended that some smelly liberal would dare even run against her. And she's only getting worse.

and a thirst for power.
I wish the HillBilly duo would just take the money and retire.

She is very likely to win the nomination at this point. She should not need these kind of dirty attacks. Her current strategy is very strange.

Speaks directly to her character.

support and is afraid it's happening again. She is easily stampeded. That is one of her major flaws as a candidate. Compare her easy to panic campaign demeanor with Obama's no-drama cool and Sanders focused steadfastness. She gets called a weatherevane because she is so quicly and easily sent into a wild spin by the slightest breeze.

I find Clinton to be very insecure. That's why she changes her positions, imo. She wants people to like her, heck, love her. She loves attention and craves acceptance and gratification from others. If one does not like what she is saying, she'll just say what she thinks they want to hear just so they can like her.

and Hillary WILL LOSE!

She is afraid, the Bernmentum is growing.

That would make her behavior 'standard' rather than 'strange.'

...the math is very much on her side. She could run a campaign the rest of the way focused on Trump and the GOP exclusively while ignoring Sanders and she would very likely win enough delegates to be the nominee. Even if she loses the rest of the states, he has to beat her by 10% or more in just about every one of them to end up with more pledged delegates. Maybe she is losing sight of this a bit.

Seems it went out to the media but not internally to her.

You have yours and I have mine.

I am pretty sure if Clinton had voted in support of the Minutemen that we would NEVER hear the end of it here.

I try to avoid people who blatantly misrepresent the truth to make a point.
You said that Clinton "just lost" you with her comment last night. Yet you have almost 500 posts in the past 90 days on the Bernie Sanders group.
Still want to sit on the moral high ground and accuse Clinton of misrepresenting the truth?

That will no longer happen. If you are concerned about the possibility of her winning in a general, that ought to give you pause, since an increasing number of Sanders supporters are feeling the same way given her shameless personal attacks and distortions.

1) Someone saying they will not vote for the eventual Democratic nominee; and,
2) Someone saying that they will vote for the eventual Republican nominee.

Votes decide elections; intentions and 'feelings' don't.

and still pull the lever for her in November, no matter how many times they're threatened with the prospect of President Trump. They just aren't.

Are there any Clinton supporters who get how this is damaging her general election prospects? Or does everyone have their fingers lodged firmly in their ears?

They continue to believe if they drag out the possibility of Trump winning the election, which is IMHO a better possibility if he runs against Clinton, but what I was saying is the meme appears to be those that refuse to vote for Hillary are dumb, stupid, or don't realize they will be voting for a republican if they don't. It's not going to work....trust me.

I would really have to be extremely self medicated to vote for a Republican like her.
I don't know if I will be able to compile a stash of weed and beer large enough to do so.

I will say one thing with certainty however, being wasted may, MAY allow me to vote for her if she sleezes her way to the nomination, but I sure as hell won't vote for her no matter what, if she wins by super delegates overwriting the will of the elected ones, and I know with great certainty I am only one of a really, really large number of people that feel the same way.

and she is accusing him of voting for a bill that protects the minutemen from prosecution. And it's been proven, nothing in the bill does that. Yet Hill camp keeps throwing it out there like a sloppy wet tennis ball, hoping a drooling dog will catch it and keep bringing it back for more...over and over again so they can keep tossing it out there.

You can't tell them the truth. They refuse to hear it.

The hilarious thing about that Koch accusation was that Charles Koch's statement was actually an agreement with one of Bernie's core points about corporate welfare and the un-level playing field. In other words, Charles Koch actually said something good and reasonable...and Hillary uses that as an attack. Comedy gold.

It's almost as if nuance exists.

That's why I call her Hillarity Clinton. The stuff she says can't be taken seriously.

is so willing to throw away 1/3 of Sanders supporters who say they can't see themselves voting for her -ever-.

That could translates to throwing away 5-ish percent of the total vote in the GE. I don't really understand why she persists in behaviors that are so off-putting for so many. I can only guess she doesn't believe there's a connection.

(I mean Hillary and some of her supporters) is playing low-information voters.

The only reason to even mention them now is to try to manipulate people who think they matter at this point.

there are a lot of low-information voters out there who fall for it. Because they are not on a political forum like this, where all these issues are discussed. I've learned so much I never would have known if I still had TV and didn't look for all my news on the web. But I moved to a spot without TV reception 18 years ago, and then a few years later got my first computer and got on-line and started learning about interesting topics...and I haven't looked back since. To me, learning on-line is so fascinating, I can't stop it, and I no longer have time for mindless sitcoms or talk shows. Except for a few special programs I enjoy/ed (like jon stewart daily show ), I spend most of my time talking to other people about politics and current events and researching answers to questions that come up during those discussions.

It's a shame. So many people know so little about politics and candidates and so many of them vote for all the wrong reasons, because they just don't have time to get involved in even researching it. I was guilty of that too...until 9/11 woke me up, I was just like that.

What bothers me most now is that I can find the real news, but I also see in clips here what so many people get, thinking it's unbiased news, and it isn't. A lot of it is just biased opinion mixed with a little biased news reporting. It's disgusting what has happened to media since I was in my 20's.

she chooses to deceive.

She will be pummeled for the next 48 hours for these comments.

She's lying. She's lying by omission. She's making associations that really don't exist--by manipulation.

She will be hit very hard over this snake-like behavior. It's so over the top.

She looks desperate. She's going to be a whole lost more desperate in the coming days!

I predict a whole lot of buyer's remorse in the next states that vote! I think people are going to start rejecting her. They all ready don't trust her. Now, she's giving people reasons to completely reject her.

You can go too far, Hillary--and you've done it!

If she had sense and self-control, she'd stop the bullshit attacks. Not that I mind the result.

He's sly as a fox and he's probably relying on the people who don't double check things to bite the bait; hook line and sinker.

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John Brock's Bill's .Karl Rove's,and John Podesta's.
When she has right wing advisers om her team wouldn't we expect these lies..

when they know they have nothing else to offer. By these deeds, we know certain that Ms. Clinton knows she cannot win a contest of ideas. Neo-liberalism (the philosophy of unrestrained markets) has little to nothing to offer the people of this country, but the Clintons are neo-liberals to the core. Ms Clinton will promise, slander, twist arms ... but they will give us only more of the same.

Trav

you can hear her frontal lobes melting already from the strain of being asked things

Seems to be a habit with her.

The one thing she has going for her is that it's hard for me to believe she would say anything that stupid. She may be untrustworthy, but she isn't stupid and she she surely kniows that kind of thing doesn't play in Peoria.

isn't good enough.

So she must resort to deceit. That's how she tries to flip votes.

Love this pic

Get over it. They may not be "natural born" politicians but they are at least both naturalized politicians. So what that she said, probably correctly, that the Koch's liked something about him. The debate changes nothing. Either of them will be just fine with me.

But is it a coincidence that Koch Bros commercial came a few hours before debate...smells fishy to me...Bernie did not even endorse the message...Hillary is part of the Establisment...the Koch Bros are the Establishment....so who knows...

She has lost it.

Forget serious issues and solutions...she goes with shit like this.

She is One Issue and that issue is Slime.

But, boy, didn't that Bernie hit a bunch of home runs in tonight's debate???

He was great, and those were some hardball questions. I wish the Republican lizards could have debates where people actually ask them serious and potentially damaging questions.

There's no walking this kind of stuff back. Not unless she blamed and then fired Brock.

Maybe she's planning a Hybrid rebirth? Hillary 4.0

Well he does that sort of thing in debates 2 his opponents as well.

she is beyond help.

She must really think that democrats are morons if she thinks anyone is actually going to believe her idiotic slander.

Fair and square I can respect but made up shit is awful and disqualifying for the presidency.

Why, oh why, can't she stick to the issues? There are enough differences between her and Bernie's positions for voters to make an informed decision between the candidates. However, by attempting to characterize the most progressive member of Congress, who has held to the same principles his whole life as being anti-minority, anti-gun control legislation and a liar, she has crossed my line forever.

rank and file Repub voters. Many of the issues are dangerous ground for her, so she deflects. One reason most Repub politicians use social wedge issues like guns and God is that their voters would agree with us on too many other issues. In fact, many Repub politicians have moved away from attacking gay marriage and in fact against attacking gay people generally because it alienates too many of their own voters now that the country has a majority of people who disapprove of discrimination against LGBT people.

Hillary knows Dem voters--and most others, as well--disapprove of unrestrained globalism on trade, of endless war, of trying to impose democracy by force in the Mideast, of unrestrained money in politics, and of the rigged economy and of politicians being the puppets of billionaires and corporations. So she muddies the water with these deceptive attacks on Bernie's record.

and honestly moved closer toward her and was ready to support her if indeed she was the nominee. But since then she made unfair and misplaced criticisms of Bernie and each time she pushes me further and further away from her. She has to earn my vote first and it would take a lot to earn it back now that it is lost.

...from the most partisan of the other side (they aren't all unreasonable).

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Refusing to vote for the Dem nominee and advocating that others do the same is grounds for a hide and a PPR.

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You mean to tell me y'all can spew here day in and day out how you would rather note vote or let Trump win should she be the nominee and Still want to try and hold your vote hostage? Keep your vote. I am taking a que from y'all. I am voting true blue or NONE. I hope my peeps follow my lead. Lets all hold our vote hostage!

but will this be the second time you withheld you vote like the PUMA's in 2008? Do the chickens coming home to roost bother you?

Sad and pathetic.

Just like in 2008 when she claimed Obama was associated with radical extremists, how his Reverend hated America, and Michelle didn't love America.