and I am dismayed and saddened.

now there's a word.

interesting what happens if you go to google images and type it in. do you think you will see a lot of men?

you are so gone for this pitiful line of attack ....

that can be interpreted as sexist, just so you can triumphantly declare it so?

That seems like a very sad hobby.

and it seems the bros are starting to drop it.

/ignore list.

Why don't you give your list of what you think is sexist, if you don't think "cackle", used to describe a woman's laughter, fits.

Cackle verb

intransitive verb

1: to make the sharp broken noise or cry characteristic of a hen especially after laying

2: to laugh especially in a harsh or sharp manner

3: chatter

You post on DU, now? That's awesome. Thanks for the definition. That's a great feature.

That's one of their primary features as words: to communicate ideas via a shared understanding of the meaning of those words.

I'm not sure if you tried your suggestion about a google image search on "cackle", but I did.. it has a surprising number of Hillary Clinton images, but also no shortage of men who are laughing (presumably) shrilly or sharply. I'm not going to do a full data analysis right now, but I'd say that if you omitted Clinton's image, it would be a reasonable distribution of both men and women in the image search. All ears if someone wants to do the math and prove me wrong, though.

I'm sure you can look up its definition if you don't know it.

and most of the context of postings I have seen on this site recently consist of an assertion that everyone who politically opposes Clinton as the Democratic nominee is a sexist anti-Semite who wants free stuff and is too far left to live in this country. I respectfully disagree.

I also think that simply laughing off the hopes and aspirations for change through hard work, whether referred to as cackling, chortling, chuckling, guffawing, giggling, tittering, sniggering, snickering, or any of the other synonyms, is showing her true colors as to her political aspirations.

If you think most of the posts say that in any way. I'm not saying there aren't any. But most? I don't think there's a most about anything on either side.

at least in the 'latest threads' area of the site. That is anecdotal on my part, though. I do also see an awful lot of accusations of sexism towards Sanders, and especially towards his supporters.

I know we disagree on how much misogyny is inherent to that term but am not sure how much we disagree about the poster's main points.. he was uncertain about Clinton as nominee given his preference towards her on foreign policy decisions, but was spurred strongly to supporting Sanders due to her laughing-off ('giggling' appears more than 'cackling' in the poster's description of her laugh, along with the colorful but accurate "ululating fuck-you&quot of the idea that we can individually and collectively do better via hard work.. they said it this way above:

"And then, at the end of it all, when Sanders said that America could do better, Clinton just cackled. She laughed at the notion that people can improve, that a country can grow and develop into something more. She laughed at the hopes and dreams of those who strive for more, for betterment not only of themselves but of the people and the country around them. She looked into the camera, offering a ululating "fuck you" in the form of a mocking giggle, to those who would rise up to the challenge and give of themselves so the less fortunate didn't have to stay that way."

I have no problem with disagreeing with Clinton on policy. Given I lean quite a bit more toward Bernie myself, I obviously get it. But feminism is and has always been very high on my list of priorities, and my posting history will bare that out. As a result, I'm sure my bar for what would be considered sexism is different than others. I don't think that just because someone disagrees, it means they're sexist. But I do see the sexism directed at Hillary. I don't think there is any denying it. I think everyone has some biases because society is rife with them and we're all affected. I think Hillary will be judged in a way that men simply aren't and everyone does it. I even catch myself doing it.

there's a horrifying amount. No question. I just mean that sexism and either character or policy opposition are not sexist on their own. I hear you, though.

So stop with the bullshit.

Bye.

Charming.

Gotta wonder about people who take all negative criticism of Clinton as "sexist." More dishonest smears from Team Hillary.

... then explaining it would be a waste of time. Not playing the "who-me?" game with you or that poster.

As suspected.

Oh brother, what a lame dodge! As stupid as thinking "cackling" is sexist.

...."Her" Cackle has nothing to do with Sex rather, it's her smugness that forces her to cackle as ridicule of something negative being said about her....the negative statement most likely being factual. She bust out a cackle as if the assertion is so meaningless or so preposterous that surely it must be something to be laughed at.

Anyone seeing it any other ways is complicit with her bag of Lies and distortions.

if I criticize Hillary's smug behavior it is not that I am sexist.

n/t

but don't think she there, yet.

Well, when you favorite book is the Bible.....

At the end with the closing statements, she commented on Hillary cackling and was thoroughly disgusted. It was quite disturbing.

As for work, sorry to hear about the 16-hour shift. I am still working now after a long day, but my job is cool so I don't mind. Still, long days are hard.

I share much of your history (homeless, hungry and broke more than once) and don't intend to repeat it. For the first time in years, I have my own apartment and a job (a shitty one but it's a start. I hope). While I'm esctatic about it, I don't, for a second, forget there are people in power that could give 2 figs about any of that and in fact would happily put me(and you and all of us) back on the streets in order to grab a few more pennies to add to their billions of dollars. Make that two bricks, please.

Again, congratulations on your progress. I pity the poor fool who threatens it. Peace.

condoning this sexist trash.

"Kindly go fuck yourself with a brick."

So eloquent

First amendment rights! First amendment rights!

How crass.

that he'll "dismantle Medicare". Hillary's habitual lying is as crass as it gets.

I probably can't help you.

But outside of that I don't buy the sexist element of the brick comment. It's ugly enough on its own without stretching it.

what?

Are you a guy?

I find the statement ugly and would not approve of it being said of anyone I held dear, male or female. That is why I do not find it sexist in the least. It is, however, quite vulgar.

violence towards men?

Actually either way, it's violence towards ONE man or, in this case, ONE woman. Not all women.

I'm not fond of it either but I really don't see sexism in this particular saying. Not that violence is any better.

I called it VAWA.

oops! I closed it before I finished.

Anyway, violence is bad either way - against women or men. I'm sure you agree there. Jon was pointing out sexism (or lack of it). I guess that's where I got confused.

Yeah... 'cause they mean it literally!

And it was intended for all women.



Oh wait.... no... no it wasn't.

Pharma just ain't what it used to be.

Of course, anything positive said about her can also be construed as a 'meme' sent out by a team of evil corporate conspiracists too. I see a lot of that all over this site. It disturbs me primarily because I'm just an individual who still likes Sanders and still doesn't mind Clinton. I want to beat the republicans in November, I mean whup their butts. With the recent Michigan poll being so off, I wonder if the 'head to head' polls are way off too. I think reasonable minds can have differing views on a potential candidate for the democratic nomination. I've leaned toward Hillary and leaned toward Sanders and my state doesn't vote until June. Right now I'm leaning toward Sanders. I think they're both far better than whoever they put up for the republican nomination. Hope you enjoy a good evening!

#2, #3 and #7 need to be hidden. Here is a guy that saw the truth and relayed his absolute honest feelings about what it is he saw.

These Jurors are so jaded with bias. Even if I were a Hillary supporter, it merely takes a moment to read such a heart felt post written not out of malice, but as a simple observation. The OP isn't a cut and paste and it is not a "hillary is retarded" sort of tort, her cackling at the very idea that America can do better is pure about her nature and a Micro-expression into how she really feels.

The OP is very astute for observing this, wrote his fears and feelings based on that observation for "us" to share.

Juror #2, #3 and #7, you really need some time looking in the mirror.

Post survived a jury (and got some recs, I think)

So much for the argument by Nance Greggs and others in this thread that the post would have been hidden if it had been about Bernie - Bullshit!

I can't imagine being on the edge of my seat, ready to declare MORTAL ENEMY!!! at a moment's notice.

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yesterday you are posting about bumper stickers for Bernie Sanders and doing your "damedest" for him.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280139170

"My fiance and I just got our Bernie bumper-stickers (out of the blue and without asking, apparently), and it seems like almost all of Central New York did as well. During a half hour drive, I counted Sanders stickers by the dozens. This is in the normally red-ish and rural area of the state. CNY's feeling the Bern something fierce. It remains to be seen if we can counter the unholy-powerful New York City bloc of voters, but we'll do our damnedest up here. "

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When they wrote they were "waffling" on who they were voting for (and later wrote that HRC should go F herself with a brick)?

Say it ain't so.



Good catch, btw. I knew that part of the OP was a doozy. You proved it. It also fair to question how much of the rest of the OP's narrative is fiction.

It's old already.

Bill had sympathy pains after the beating she took. It was a pure bloodbath.

Jus' sayin'

Hillary does it all night long in every debate, and many times in any interview she gives. I trust her as far as I can throw a piano...

Pay attention next time she does that, it will mean she is on the defense.

Or perhaps his finger wagging? Or will it be ignored and treated as if it never happened?

Hmmm ... let's imagine what SNL could do with the cackle ....

just for the right to exist.

Hillary cackled.

Let them eat cake.

... 59 people have REC'd an OP telling HRC to go fuck herself with a brick.

I keep reading about the lofty principles of a certain contingent of posters here. This is just one more shining example of what those much-touted "principles" really are.

... during this primary process.

Anyone who thinks an OP like this deserves to be REC'd is displaying what their "lofty principles" are really made of.

I would find it equally objectionable if someone had said that Bernie should "go fuck himself with a brick". But of course, such an OP would have been hidden in a heartbeat - and no HRC supporter would post such an OP in the first instance.

Over the past few months, I've come to see quite a few DUers as they really are. It hasn't been a pleasant experience.

For their own benefit.

To heck with what Hillary says, it is what she has supported in the past.

I really doubt she has changed her 3rd way mindset regardless how many times she claims to be a progressive.

No one takes all that $$ from Wall Street and can convince me it means nothing, as she said tonight.

They all say the $$ means nothing, and then vote for the interests of the $$ givers without hesitation.

Too many politicians in both parties.

... should "go fuck herself with a brick" is, in your view, a suitable response to what you perceive to be her overwhelming shortcomings?

I prefer more adult conversation, more substantive discussion than merely the posting of offensive remarks that don't address the issues, but reduce them to comments about who should "go fuck themselves with a brick".

Your mileage obviously varies.

Again, I would point out that the "lofty principles" of those who claim to be in possession thereof is just a matter of pretending one is above being in the gutter, when in fact one wallows in it at every opportunity.

Bless your little heart.

For all the fights we made for VAWA. Tears. This upsets me a lot.

I watched the debate and felt they both represented themselves and the democratic party well. My state doesn't vote until June. I tend to root for underdogs in life. I come here and read and there is so much misrepresentation about what Hillary said this evening that it actually makes me feel like Hillary is the underdog and want to vote for her over all the 'rahrah+++!!!!we'rethe REAL victims here, everyone else is a SWARM if YOU say anYThing I don't like HEARINg then that's a MEME+++111!!!!' horse shit that I'm actually feeling like Hillary Rodham Clinton is the goddamn underdog. I find that hilarious. If this stuff were accurately fact-checked, more than half the stuff written here would prove 'pants on fire' false.

At the very least it's kind of ironic & funny. Hope you're feeling better. If it really gets to you take a break and don't even bother reading here. It's incredibly absurd.

I am on break. Seldom here anymore. Not worth reading.

I don't dislike the Sanders at all and I realize that in order to support the underdog you have to tear down the favorite, but the level of vitriol spewed towards Clinton on this board is reaching absurd levels. It's spinning completely off the rails.

for folks who talk LIKE thiSSS +!!!!

I can't even, anymore. I just can't.

that if I'm not mistaken not only survived a jury but got dozens if not hundreds of recs. The one calling President Obama a 'piece of shit used car salesman.' Or the thousands of posts in DU hyper criticizing the democratic President and accusing him of all sorts of things that the right wing always also accuses him of doing or not doing.

Of course, many of the folks who recommended that and other similar threads now act like they've always been big supporters of President Obama. My guess is they were trashing him to all their friends. I've always had his back. I enjoy in regular offline conversations supporting and defending him and his tremendous progressive record of accomplishments.

I also love voting for the most progressive available candidate in every election especially local and state and congressional elections. The left failed President Obama miserably by failing to support him with a strong progressive Congress. Some will tell you it's all the DNC's fault. I happen to feel it's partly that and partly the fault of the people who fail to vote as well.

Are you defending this crap?

Just curious.

I really hope the admin are paying attention to this shit.

That's a shameful thing.

And the same 100 or so who always rec this kind of tripe are really showing their true colors. And I can't even call them ratfuckers because I can't believe they are even Democrats.

but I do honestly agree with the overall message and sentiment. I'm hopeful that we can do better in the future through hard work in the same way the hardworking OP is hopeful that we can do better in the future through hard work. I think to laugh that off as pie-in-the-sky unicorn-hunting is unwise politically, as well as being (I hope) counter to the reality of the value of working hard and working together.

Crassness (of which the poster did clearly an unapologetically forewarn) of brickfucking aside, OP has a point, and I am just not seeing the sexism in their sentiments that is being assigned to them in this thread.

Every time, there are times like these and you think you get used to that. Still, always a punch in the gut. I'm thinking some missed it. They didn't see it. I have to think that. It was a long wall of text post.

how about "chuckle."

I found this very compelling. It's funny how an involuntary reaction becomes a tell into the true nature of a person. It's funny that you responded from this place as well, recognized the true nature of another based on your own experience. I'm not sentimental, but your story touches me and pointed out what is wrong with people who want power for the sake of it. How they worship the win over the desire to lead for the betterment of others. That's a rough way to realize that perhaps one's nature trumps one's ability to game the system. It all adds up to something that is pretty vacant. That laugh was one of entitlement. She feels entitled to the post of the presidency and has no real feel for how so many people in this country struggle. The leader of this country should be the most empathic. Supposedly he or she is there to serve us. The oath of office proclaims this. Thanks for posting.

Wow.

I just wish for her to roll off into the most spectacular sunsets enjoying retirement. Really, that's the safest bet for all of us.

No more Clinton's, no more Republicans and Republican values.

to have ever been all Tiger-Beat starry-eyed swoony over Hillary, you, like most of us, have no doubt been banned from there already.

is her laugh at Gaddafi's death . .

and say she was feeling nervous. She was probably upset that she had blown another debate by launching petty misleading smears on Sanders and offering no vision for the country other than blathering on and on in focus group babel about her experience and accomplishments that no one can remember as actual accomplishments.

If she is the nominee, fine, she is better than a repub. But not by much, sadly.

You actually wrote that about the likely Democratic nominee and as of this writing 99 people have recced it?

Is this FreeRepublic? I can read this kind of thing on Reddit.

Is this your idea of having a conversation with other Democrats?

This is something that Trump would say. Literally.

Needs to be read again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nervous laughter solicits this bullshit response? How do you get through a day of this crawling and scraping life of yours with that sort of ridiculously judgmental attitude?

on several levels. Despite the jury result, I'm going to suggest that you self-delete this OP. Just a request, of course.

I may find Hillary offensive for reason that have nothing to do with her gender (namely her love of war is offensive to any gender, especially the WOMEN that will die)

however, if the Sanders supporters cannot see that there is protest and there is stupidity, they just lost a voter, oh yeah, I am in FLORIDA.

Wow, there's a sound strategy.