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Ino

(3,366 posts)
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:27 AM Mar 2016

Who spoke the most?

This debate was the most egregious in terms of who got the most time.

I found the debate transcript here

I copied it into a word processing program, stripped out all but Hillary's words for one file, and all but Sanders' for another.

Word Count
Hillary -- 6064
Sanders -- 4460

There ya go

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Who spoke the most? (Original Post) Ino Mar 2016 OP
The bias was SO obvious... didn't know Univision donated millions to Clinton 'til after debate... AzDar Mar 2016 #1
The moderators were a hell of lot less biased than our MSM media Blus4u Mar 2016 #6
They are "our" MSM media, JackRiddler Mar 2016 #10
Doesn't matter. She essntially just got more rope ... KPN Mar 2016 #2
I completely agree with you! wundermaus Mar 2016 #14
Thx! nt slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #3
One reason for the word disparity was Bernie. Blus4u Mar 2016 #4
When you speak truth you 840high Mar 2016 #5
Very good description! Punkingal Mar 2016 #7
Thank you Blus4u Mar 2016 #9
I knew it. I finally started skipping past her Flying Squirrel Mar 2016 #8
it wouldn't be so bad if she were SAYING something Scootaloo Mar 2016 #12
They would cut him off but let her go on and on and on. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #11
Here's one example of that! Ino Mar 2016 #13
It was pathetic as usual. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #15
Yes, that was ridiculous. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #25
Yet Bernie still dominated it with substance. Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #16
Thank you!!!! renate Mar 2016 #17
The Gettysburg Address wss how long? griloco Mar 2016 #18
'Now we are engaged in a great civil war...' lovemydog Mar 2016 #20
It's what you say that counts. lovemydog Mar 2016 #19
Apparently Hillary got 32% more time but only 26% more words... Coincidence Mar 2016 #21
How did you arrive at 26%? Ino Mar 2016 #22
you're right... Coincidence Mar 2016 #23
Ah, OK... thanks! (nt) Ino Mar 2016 #24
 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
1. The bias was SO obvious... didn't know Univision donated millions to Clinton 'til after debate...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:29 AM
Mar 2016

Blus4u

(608 posts)
6. The moderators were a hell of lot less biased than our MSM media
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:43 AM
Mar 2016

And I thought they asked tougher questions and pressed for answers when being dodged.

Peace

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
10. They are "our" MSM media,
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:13 AM
Mar 2016

as U.S.-American as NBC or CNN. Based in Miami. Underlined it with the Star-Spangled Banner. Just saying.

wundermaus

(1,673 posts)
14. I completely agree with you!
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:43 AM
Mar 2016

It was so absolutely ridiculous she reminded me of a childhood memory.
So I put on a record (You talk too much) I used to listen to when I was a little kid and played it while she as talking and talking and talking.
I started laughing so hard I farted!
When was the last time that happened?
A Long - Long time!

Blus4u

(608 posts)
4. One reason for the word disparity was Bernie.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:39 AM
Mar 2016

He was so on point and concise on his answers and rebuttals which drew pretty good applause, and he would stop.

On the other hand, she babbled on like a bobble head until she stumbled into an applause line and then tried to close out. They let her go on and on. I don't think it helped her.

Peace

Blus4u

(608 posts)
9. Thank you
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:57 AM
Mar 2016

I still have my lucid moments...but I try to keep them limited.
I enjoy your post, Pg.

Peace

 

Flying Squirrel

(3,041 posts)
8. I knew it. I finally started skipping past her
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:51 AM
Mar 2016

Because I knew she was getting way more time, and I was sick of hearing her voice.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
12. it wouldn't be so bad if she were SAYING something
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:25 AM
Mar 2016

These last two debates? She keeps on making these interjections, taking asides, and so on. It's like 25% of every sentence is made of parentheses, ellipses, semicolons, and em dashes.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
13. Here's one example of that!
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:43 AM
Mar 2016

She'd go on at length about something, only to have them re-ask the question again (sometimes again & again) trying to get an answer. Then Sanders was cut off short.

QUESTION: Next question. Secretary Clinton, you recently said instead of building walls we need to tear down barriers. However, last November in New Hampshire, you openly said that as senator you voted numerous times to build the wall with Mexico. What's the difference between what you did, voting to build the wall, and what Donald Trump wants to do now?

CLINTON: Well, I think both of us, both Senator Sanders and I, voted numerous times to enhance border security along our border. We increased the number of border security agents. We did vote for money to build a fence, a pedestrian fence in some place, a vehicle fence in other places. And the result is that we have the most secure border we've ever had.

Apprehensions coming across the border are the lowest they've been in 40 years, which just strengthens my argument that now it's time to do comprehensive immigration reform.

The Republicans, the opponents no longer have an argument. And certainly, we hear a lot coming from the Republican side that is absolutely out of touch with reality. We raised money through the congressional appropriations process. We enhanced the border security. That part of the work is done.

Everybody that I know has looked at it said, okay, we have a secure border. There's no need for this rhetoric and demagoguery that's still --is carried out on the Republican side. You've run out of excuses. Let's move to comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship. And I think that makes a very strong argument in favor of doing it.

SALINAS: But the question is, what is the difference between the wall that you voted for and Donald Trump's wall?

CLINTON: It's a big difference. First of all, as I understand him, he's talking about a very tall wall.

Right? A beautiful tall wall. The most beautiful tall wall, better than the Great Wall of China, that would run the entire border. That he would somehow magically get the Mexican government to pay for. And, you know, it's just fantasy. And in fact, if he cared to know anything about what members of Congress, like the senator and I have done, where it was necessary, we did support some fencing.

Where it was necessary, we did add border patrol agents. We have done what by any fair estimate would have to conclude is a good job, quote, "securing the border". So let's get about the business of comprehensive immigration reform.

SANDERS: Let me just say...

SALINAS: Senator...

SANDERS: I think the secretary and I mostly, I think, agree on this issue. Look, in this country, immigration reform is a very hot debate. It's divided the country. But I would hope very much, that as we have that debate, we do not, as Donald Trump and others have done, resort to racism and xenophobia and bigotry.

This idea of suddenly, one day or maybe a night, rounding up 11 million people and taking them outside of this country is a vulgar, absurd idea that I would hope very few people in America support.

TUMULTY: Your time is up, senator. Thank you.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
25. Yes, that was ridiculous.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:37 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie talks slower, but not THAT much slower! They really seemed to be cutting off his time a lot.

Still, ultimately, I think he came off pretty darn well. He made the most of the time he had. And Hillary seemed to spend a lot a lot of her time avoiding giving actual answers.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
20. 'Now we are engaged in a great civil war...'
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:25 AM
Mar 2016

I read a great book about the Gettysburg Address. It was originally meant to be one of those long speeches where everyone falls asleep. The guy before him spoke for two hours. Lincoln kept editing it down until it became poetry. Lincoln also was really into new forms of communication like, in his day, the telegraph. I think he'd be rockin' it on twitter. Here it is in full:

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives, that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate – we can not hallow – this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.

It is for us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here, have, thus far, so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us – that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion – that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain – that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom – and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/gettysburg.htm

 

Coincidence

(98 posts)
21. Apparently Hillary got 32% more time but only 26% more words...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:30 AM
Mar 2016

Either Hillary talks slightly slower or Bernie talks slightly faster.
(32% more time according to http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511460078)

Ino

(3,366 posts)
22. How did you arrive at 26%?
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:50 AM
Mar 2016

Word Count
Hillary = 6064
Sanders = 4460

6064 / 4460 = 1.3596412

So, HRC spoke about 36% more words than BS, right? She does talk faster than Sanders, so that makes sense she could cram in 36% more words in only 32% more time.

Math is not my strong suit though

 

Coincidence

(98 posts)
23. you're right...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:46 AM
Mar 2016

How I got 26%: 4460 is 74% of 6064, 6064 is 100-74=26% more than 4460 (which is wrong, 6064 is 136% of 4460 as you correctly figured)

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