2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWho spoke the most?
This debate was the most egregious in terms of who got the most time.
I found the debate transcript here
I copied it into a word processing program, stripped out all but Hillary's words for one file, and all but Sanders' for another.
Word Count
Hillary -- 6064
Sanders -- 4460
There ya go
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Blus4u
(608 posts)And I thought they asked tougher questions and pressed for answers when being dodged.
Peace
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)as U.S.-American as NBC or CNN. Based in Miami. Underlined it with the Star-Spangled Banner. Just saying.
KPN
(15,646 posts)wundermaus
(1,673 posts)It was so absolutely ridiculous she reminded me of a childhood memory.
So I put on a record (You talk too much) I used to listen to when I was a little kid and played it while she as talking and talking and talking.
I started laughing so hard I farted!
When was the last time that happened?
A Long - Long time!
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Blus4u
(608 posts)He was so on point and concise on his answers and rebuttals which drew pretty good applause, and he would stop.
On the other hand, she babbled on like a bobble head until she stumbled into an applause line and then tried to close out. They let her go on and on. I don't think it helped her.
Peace
840high
(17,196 posts)don't have to babble.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)I still have my lucid moments...but I try to keep them limited.
I enjoy your post, Pg.
Peace
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Because I knew she was getting way more time, and I was sick of hearing her voice.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)These last two debates? She keeps on making these interjections, taking asides, and so on. It's like 25% of every sentence is made of parentheses, ellipses, semicolons, and em dashes.
onecaliberal
(32,865 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)She'd go on at length about something, only to have them re-ask the question again (sometimes again & again) trying to get an answer. Then Sanders was cut off short.
CLINTON: Well, I think both of us, both Senator Sanders and I, voted numerous times to enhance border security along our border. We increased the number of border security agents. We did vote for money to build a fence, a pedestrian fence in some place, a vehicle fence in other places. And the result is that we have the most secure border we've ever had.
Apprehensions coming across the border are the lowest they've been in 40 years, which just strengthens my argument that now it's time to do comprehensive immigration reform.
The Republicans, the opponents no longer have an argument. And certainly, we hear a lot coming from the Republican side that is absolutely out of touch with reality. We raised money through the congressional appropriations process. We enhanced the border security. That part of the work is done.
Everybody that I know has looked at it said, okay, we have a secure border. There's no need for this rhetoric and demagoguery that's still --is carried out on the Republican side. You've run out of excuses. Let's move to comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship. And I think that makes a very strong argument in favor of doing it.
SALINAS: But the question is, what is the difference between the wall that you voted for and Donald Trump's wall?
CLINTON: It's a big difference. First of all, as I understand him, he's talking about a very tall wall.
Right? A beautiful tall wall. The most beautiful tall wall, better than the Great Wall of China, that would run the entire border. That he would somehow magically get the Mexican government to pay for. And, you know, it's just fantasy. And in fact, if he cared to know anything about what members of Congress, like the senator and I have done, where it was necessary, we did support some fencing.
Where it was necessary, we did add border patrol agents. We have done what by any fair estimate would have to conclude is a good job, quote, "securing the border". So let's get about the business of comprehensive immigration reform.
SANDERS: Let me just say...
SALINAS: Senator...
SANDERS: I think the secretary and I mostly, I think, agree on this issue. Look, in this country, immigration reform is a very hot debate. It's divided the country. But I would hope very much, that as we have that debate, we do not, as Donald Trump and others have done, resort to racism and xenophobia and bigotry.
This idea of suddenly, one day or maybe a night, rounding up 11 million people and taking them outside of this country is a vulgar, absurd idea that I would hope very few people in America support.
TUMULTY: Your time is up, senator. Thank you.
onecaliberal
(32,865 posts)thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)Bernie talks slower, but not THAT much slower! They really seemed to be cutting off his time a lot.
Still, ultimately, I think he came off pretty darn well. He made the most of the time he had. And Hillary seemed to spend a lot a lot of her time avoiding giving actual answers.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)You rock!
griloco
(832 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I read a great book about the Gettysburg Address. It was originally meant to be one of those long speeches where everyone falls asleep. The guy before him spoke for two hours. Lincoln kept editing it down until it became poetry. Lincoln also was really into new forms of communication like, in his day, the telegraph. I think he'd be rockin' it on twitter. Here it is in full:
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting-place for those who here gave their lives, that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here.
It is for us, the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here, have, thus far, so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/gettysburg.htm
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Brevity is the soul of wit.
Coincidence
(98 posts)Either Hillary talks slightly slower or Bernie talks slightly faster.
(32% more time according to http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511460078)
Ino
(3,366 posts)Word Count
Hillary = 6064
Sanders = 4460
6064 / 4460 = 1.3596412
So, HRC spoke about 36% more words than BS, right? She does talk faster than Sanders, so that makes sense she could cram in 36% more words in only 32% more time.
Math is not my strong suit though
Coincidence
(98 posts)How I got 26%: 4460 is 74% of 6064, 6064 is 100-74=26% more than 4460 (which is wrong, 6064 is 136% of 4460 as you correctly figured)