2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts) Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:26 AM Mar 2016

HRC doesn't want a "democratic" Cuba-she just wants the Miami exiles back in power.

HRC's notion of "freedom" for Cuba would be to have one election run under U.S. military and economic coercion(as the Nicaraguan election of 1990 was run) producing a coerced "mandate" for an "opposition coalition"-which would then impose a Milton Friedman style economic program, privatize the healthcare system, and take away free university education(which would then be made totally right wing-other than being slightly feminist and pro LGBTQ in the most innocuous way-and be once again made affordable only to the restored Miami exile elite). After the one election, she'd be fine with some sort of "crisis" being declared that necessitated the creation of a "government of national unity". No U.S. officials would ever mention democracy or human rights again regarding the now-restored U.S. colony.

So long as there was property rights and a trade deal, this would be HRC's notion of a free Cuba.

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HRC doesn't want a "democratic" Cuba-she just wants the Miami exiles back in power. (Original Post) Ken Burch Mar 2016 OP

There should UN supervised elections hack89 Mar 2016 #1

We won't be entitled to demand that until the embargo is lifted. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #3

Goes without saying hack89 Mar 2016 #4

exactly... Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #6

Naw. I honestly don't think she gives a flying fuck one way or the other. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #2

or go all Palinesque and say "When I stand at the southern-most tip of America islandmkl Mar 2016 #5

I think you win a cigar! Generic Other Mar 2016 #9

Does Bill smoke Cuban cigars? n/t left-of-center2012 Mar 2016 #7

She just wants to win the election. morningfog Mar 2016 #8

Ken, could you give ma a link where Clinton said all that about her Cuba policy? nt Nitram Mar 2016 #10

She never comes out and says all of anything. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #12

So it's just your Bernster speculation on what you think Clinton is thinking. Nitram Mar 2016 #13

We have a winner Mufaddal Mar 2016 #11

hack89

(39,171 posts)

1. There should UN supervised elections

Reply to Ken Burch (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:43 AM

Mar 2016

Once independent political parties are legslized.

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)

3. We won't be entitled to demand that until the embargo is lifted.

Reply to hack89 (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:48 AM

Mar 2016

It's silly to still be obsessed with regime change in Cuba when nothing good has come of any of the regime changes we've done anywhere else.

It's for the Cubans to work out.

hack89

(39,171 posts)

4. Goes without saying

Reply to Ken Burch (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:50 AM

Mar 2016

Given a true choice there will be changes in Cuba. True Democracy wins out if given the chance.

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)

6. exactly...

Reply to Ken Burch (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:17 AM

Mar 2016

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)

2. Naw. I honestly don't think she gives a flying fuck one way or the other.

Reply to Ken Burch (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:45 AM

Mar 2016

She's in Miami, she'll just blather whatever polling says is an issue in Miami. And then she'll go somewhere else and won't even remember she ever said anything about cuba.

Frankly I'm just grateful that she didn't pull out her accent act and keep trying to pronounce it it "khooba" or something.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)

5. or go all Palinesque and say "When I stand at the southern-most tip of America

Reply to Scootaloo (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:15 AM

Mar 2016

(continent-wise, kind of) in that wonderful town of Key West...I can see Cuba...and I want to see that day when free Cubans are allowed to return to their homeland (and take back all the plunder they left behind)."...okay, she probably wouldn't mention the plunder part...

or we could just get going with the travel/visa arrangements and let them go for a visit...of course, some of them probably aren't too keen on going home at the present...some of the older ones left before the revolution caught up with them...

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)

9. I think you win a cigar!

Reply to Scootaloo (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:01 AM

Mar 2016

This seems to be pandering at its most obvious! How can any Democrat not back normalizing relations with Cuba? Time to quit bullying ALL our neighbors to the South.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)

7. Does Bill smoke Cuban cigars? n/t

Reply to Ken Burch (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:50 AM

Mar 2016

morningfog

(18,115 posts)

8. She just wants to win the election.

Reply to Ken Burch (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:00 AM

Mar 2016

Nitram

(22,822 posts)

10. Ken, could you give ma a link where Clinton said all that about her Cuba policy? nt

Reply to Ken Burch (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:28 AM

Mar 2016

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)

12. She never comes out and says all of anything.

Reply to Nitram (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:12 PM

Mar 2016

But that's what she's always been about, everywhere. Getting market economics in is all that matters to her. And she's related through marriage to a Miami Cuban family.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)

13. So it's just your Bernster speculation on what you think Clinton is thinking.

Reply to Ken Burch (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 11, 2016, 09:28 AM

Mar 2016

Figured.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)

11. We have a winner

Reply to Ken Burch (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:57 AM

Mar 2016

You got it exactly right.

She was pandering to a group of right-wingers who make up something like 5% of the Hispanic population by hitting Cold Warrior talking points. It was an incredible demonstration of just how desperately out-of-touch one person can be. I'm surprised she didn't recite a eulogy for Batista or call for a moment of silence in his honor while she was at it. I was pleased to see Bernie stand his ground.

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