2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders ‘Too Tired’ for This Syrian Refugee
Sanders was happy to take a question, Basha saiduntil the refugee mentioned that the question would be about Syria, causing Sanders to grimace and raise his eyebrows.
He had this lookhe reacted like it was an unpleasant surprise, Basha told The Daily Beast. [Sanders] said, look, this is not the time, and I am very tired.
Incredible.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Like that piece of crap has any credibility left. Its owned by IAC.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/26/technology/chelsea_clinton_IAC/
madokie
(51,076 posts)Why can't Hillary just win on all that knowledge and experience of hers without having to have people resort to the likes of this shit?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)You can prove that, right? (rhetorical question -- don't bother answering)
Matariki
(18,775 posts)The comments are about the crappiness of The Daily Beast
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The Daily Beast's editor in chief, John Avalon, authored, "Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America." A lovely bashing of Progressives that equates the left wing of the Democratic party (the base/Sanders supporters) as a "radical" bookend to the "wingnuts" in the Republican party.
What a joke!!!
As if that's not bad enough, Bill Clinton praised Avalon's book, saying that it, "offers a clear and comprehensive review of the forces on the outer edges of the political spectrum that shape and distort our political debate. Shedding more heat than light they drive frustrated alienated citizens away from the reasoned discourse that can produce real solutions to our problems."
Avalon is a self professed "radical centrist." (Code word for sell-out DLC corporatist war cheerleader).
Bill Clinton praises his "radical centrism" and Chelsea Clinton sits on the board.
In other words, the Daily Beast exists to spin the DLC agenda. The Bernie-Bashing Brigade!
Tina Brown used to run The Daily Beast. It was a decent source of news and information. She broke away in late 2014. Now, it's a joke.
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John Phillips Avlon is an American journalist and political commentator who is the editor in chief of The Daily Beast[1] and a CNN political analyst.[2] He is the author of Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics,[3] which critically appraises both traditional American centrism and the more recent radical centrism. He is also the author of Wingnuts: How the Lunatic Fringe is Hijacking America.[4] Former President Bill Clinton said that the book Wingnuts "offers a clear and comprehensive review of the forces on the outer edges of the political spectrum that shape and distort our political debate. Shedding more heat than light they drive frustrated alienated citizens away from the reasoned discourse that can produce real solutions to our problems."[5] Avlon has also been a columnist and associate editor for The New York Sun and worked as chief speechwriter for former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Avlon
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)seems to be using that POS site as a source.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Not so much when used against HRC.
Why is that?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The Daily Beast is quoted all the time by the Sanders crew when it slams Hillary. Now, it's trash.
Of course.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Reminder: THE DAILY BEAST's Parent Company has CHELSEA CLINTON on it's Board of Directors.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511420593
The Daily Beast's Bernie Bashing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017335788
So Why Is the Daily Beast Pushing a False Narrative Regarding Bernie's Electability?http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511306905
Daily Beast: Dont Be Fooled By The Claims of Cleanse Diets
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018725441
The Daily Beast's Anti-Bernie Sanders Slant Due to Conflict of Interest with Clintons
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017332062
I still have not found these Bernie supporters constantly citing Daily Beast unless it is to criticize their bias......
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Hillary Clintons Tone-Deaf Racial Pandering
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/29/hillary-clinton-s-tone-deaf-racial-pandering.html#
and on and on.
How very selective of you. (Next time, include "Clinton" in your search...)
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)There is no "Sanders crew."
Coordinated repetition of the same talking points on a timed basis is the M.O. of a rather different, top-down operation.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Would have been?
This man had all this on his mind and expected someone to give a full answer to such a serious question in a matter of seconds?
But, whatevs.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)A third failed state in the Middle East will not stop the death and violence.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)nice deflection
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)With maybe a "Why don't YOU run for office..." thrown in.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)he insisted on continuing to breathe while answering the question.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Galloping along the Arizona boarder, praising Castro, while sending Latinos back to Mexico.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)I was trying to trying to drink coffee when I saw that and almost made a mess.
Yippie-ki-yay mothertruckers!
🏇🏇🏇🏇🏾🏇🏽
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)I'll just leave this here to help people make judgment:
casperthegm
(643 posts)"Sanders has demonstrated a relatively poor understanding on foreign policy, especially when compared side-by-side with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton."
Really? Remind me again who voted for going to war in Iraq? And who had the foresight to see that it would destabilize the region and create a power vacuum. Which it did.
Oh, and who is it that thinks it's a good idea to institute a no-fly zone in Syria, daring Russian jets to cross it? I mean, what could possibly go wrong there?
But yeah, that "understanding" and experience has worked wonders for Clinton.
vintx
(1,748 posts)that's what they meant to say.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Hillary has advocated regime change in Syria which would empower Isis and a no-fly zone which would benefit Isis.
this guy voted for Hillary?
Beowulf
(761 posts)creating many refugees, including children. Then deporting those children back to the country from which they fled, with many of those children murdered upon their return. Yeah, that's just the understanding of foreign policy I want in a president.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)Hillarys Excuse: I Was Sleep-Deprived(-- from https://stateoftheunion.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/hillarys-excuse-i-was-sleep-deprived/ )
Retracting her bogus claims of experiencing a harrowing scene on arrival in Bosnia, Hillary dithered, I was sleep-deprived, and I misspoke. So each of the countless times she recited the debunked drama, stamped a real whopper by the Washington Post, drowsiness prompted the concocted embellishments?
Whats worse is that Hillarys account was challenged a week ago by the comedian Sinbad, who accompanied her on the trip. He listed the scariest moment as deciding where to eat, in a region described as one of the safest places in Bosnia. Yet she dismissed him as a comedian and proceeded to elevate the storys drama, citing landing under sniper fire and running for safety with our heads down.
So we have a choice:
Bernie, when he is feeling too tired at the moment to deal with a question, simply says so
or
Hillary, who when feeling tired, makes up a lie!
But even the notion that she was indeed "sleep-deprived" is almost assuredly itself a another lie, as she stated her Bosnia crap on more than one occasion.
I swear, Hillary is right up there with Bush II and Mitt Romney in terms of dishonesty and insincerity!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And that answer would fail harder than Single Payer in Congress.
What do you want the man to do? Lie to the girl?
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Hillary.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)And so it happened.
amborin
(16,631 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)It probably didn't even happen.
Chelsea Clinton sits on the board of The Daily Beast--which has morphed into Bernie bashing central.
I don't believe one word of this article.
What a joke. The Clintons never stop spinning bullshit, do they?
Matariki
(18,775 posts)when they have neither the time or energy to do it justice. Campaigning for days on end, preparing for debates, intense debating, would do that to anyone. Sanders is honest, not glib.
Mountain. Molehill.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Words of wisdom:
Hillary Is the Candidate of the War Machine
by Jeffrey D. Sachs
Common Dreams, Feb. 5, 2016
There's no doubt that Hillary is the candidate of Wall Street. Even more dangerous, though, is that she is the candidate of the military-industrial complex. The idea that she is bad on the corporate issues but good on national security has it wrong. Her so-called foreign policy "experience" has been to support every war demanded by the US deep security state run by the military and the CIA.
SNIP...
Hillary's record as Secretary of State is among the most militaristic, and disastrous, of modern US history. Some experience. Hilary was a staunch defender of the military-industrial-intelligence complex at every turn, helping to spread the Iraq mayhem over a swath of violence that now stretches from Mali to Afghanistan. Two disasters loom largest: Libya and Syria.
Hillary has been much attacked for the deaths of US diplomats in Benghazi, but her tireless promotion of the overthrow Muammar Qaddafi by NATO bombing is the far graver disaster. Hillary strongly promoted NATO-led regime change in Libya, not only in violation of international law but counter to the most basic good judgment. After the NATO bombing, Libya descended into civil war while the paramilitaries and unsecured arms stashes in Libya quickly spread west across the African Sahel and east to Syria. The Libyan disaster has spawned war in Mali, fed weapons to Boko Haram in Nigeria, and fueled ISIS in Syria and Iraq. In the meantime, Hillary found it hilarious to declare of Qaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died."
Perhaps the crowning disaster of this long list of disasters has been Hillary's relentless promotion of CIA-led regime change in Syria. Once again Hillary bought into the CIA propaganda that regime change to remove Bashir al-Assad would be quick, costless, and surely successful. In August 2011, Hillary led the US into disaster with her declaration Assad must "get out of the way," backed by secret CIA operations.
Five years later, no place on the planet is more ravaged by unending war, and no place poses a greater threat to US security. More than 10 million Syrians are displaced, and the refugees are drowning in the Mediterranean or undermining the political stability of Greece, Turkey, and the European Union. Into the chaos created by the secret CIA-Saudi operations to overthrow Assad, ISIS has filled the vacuum, and has used Syria as the base for worldwide terrorist attacks.
CONTINUED w/links...
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/05/hillary-candidate-war-machine
So, why didn't the well-connected refugee who got past DWS's crack Miami security team ask her about that?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)His grimace couldn't possibly be over the horrific human toll of that conflict or the seeming futility of trying to bring it to an end, or anything...
Arazi
(6,829 posts)or short. I don't care what the question was/is
It's really a gotcha to hit someone with a question like that after a two hour debate at 11:30 pm at night
FWIW, I'd defend HRC on this as well