2016 Postmortem
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OK, yes, America did some unsavory things during the Cold War, but given this:
-USSR wanted to be a superpower
-History has always had aspiring hegemons
-The USSR committed genocides, ethnic cleansing, and deliberate famines with death tolls in the millions
-There was no personal liberty at all in the USSR (no free speech, no LGBT rights [it was far worse for gays in the USSR than in America even back then], no womens rights [far fewer women in communist government/society than in the West], non-Russians and other minorities suffered and had no say in government/society
-Russia/USSR treated indigenous peoples far worse than America
-Nearly all communist countries shared the above attributes
why is it acceptable to have sided with the USSR against America in the Cold War, like Bernie Sanders did? Why wouldn't you want something to defeat the above, instead of letting it spread?
polly7
(20,582 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Look at my screen name and tell me the United States hasn't done the same fucking thing.
As a matter of fact, look at your first three bullet points and tell me they don't apply to the United States.
You slay me, you really do.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)and the USSR (and imperial Russia, which it suceeded) was much worse to its indigenous peoples than America; ever heard of the indigenous siberians?
you can read more about it
Lans
(66 posts)is a pathetic excuse
Thus, according to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." By the end of the 19th century, writes David E. Stannard, a historian at the University of Hawaii, native Americans had undergone the"worst human holocaust the world had ever witnessed, roaring across two continents non-stop for four centuries and consuming the lives of countless tens of millions of people." In the judgment of Lenore A. Stiffarm and Phil Lane, Jr.,"there can be no more monumental example of sustained genocidecertainly none involving a 'race' of people as broad and complex as thisanywhere in the annals of human history."
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302#sthash.Rkzzzblb.dpuf
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)agrees with you
G_j
(40,367 posts)for that complete nonsense about Sanders supporting the USSR against America. Lol
ericson00
(2,707 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)fail
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)That's an interesting kind of morality. Thanks for sharing.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)etc. being far worse? Castro is among their ranks.
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)"I really consider President and Mrs. Mubarak to be friends of my family. So I hope to see him often here in Egypt and in the United States." -HRC
I love, by the way, that you're defending Reagan's Latin America policy. I think that is really, really special. Next, tell us about how the School of the Americas graduates are actually human rights workers.
Perhaps you could also revisit Batista, while you're on the subject of Castro, and tell us what a benevolent, democratic leader he was. Or perhaps Pinochet. Or Castillo. Or Somoza. Or Mont. "Papa Doc" Duvalier. Or Banzer. Or the junta that replaced Bosch. Or the junta installed in Ecuador. Or Branco. And that's just Latin America. Should we talk about Suharto? Seko? The Shah?
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)to hold onto American hostages until after the election, he could sell the Iranians weapons to fund a black ops program to over throw the democratically elected Nicaruigan government. Then that's what will solve our problems.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)And now they're our trading partners.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)but Vietnam doesn't cancel out the cold hard facts (pun intended) listed in the body of the diary.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Why do your thinik Iran hates us so much? Why do you think that much of the "Thiord World" hates us so much.
Much of it was/is residue of what we did with that philosophy.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The lie that Sanders supported the USSR is not going to fly. You fanatics need to quit borrowing republican tactics.
Remember how "draft dodger" Bill Clinton went to the USSR during Viet Nam when he was in college? Does that mean he's a dirty red too? And if so, Hillary must be a communist plant since she married commie Bill.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)and actively supporting the USSR's Cold War combatants like Bernie Sanders did. A monster difference.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)You sound like a Reagan supporter. Perhaps you were. You are definitely on the right wing of the Democratic party. Your brand of nonsense won't fly.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)I support the environment, an active government role in the economy, abortion rights (and I believe under contractions begin it must be legal, which puts me to the left of many Democrats), and LGB rights.
Foreign policy is not a place for left/right. It's a place for correct/incorrect.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I have the dolphins and the deterrent patrol pin to prove it.
Unless you have hard evidence, you sir need to simply fuck off.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)"Our job as Americans and as Republicans is to dislodge the traitors (communist) from every place where they've been sent to do their traitorous work."