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Alfresco

(1,698 posts)
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:44 AM Mar 2016

Sanders defends past praise of Fidel Castro

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272485-sanders-defends-past-praise-of-fidel-castro

Hillary Clinton went after Bernie Sanders in Wednesday night's Democratic debate for a 1980s interview in which he praised the communist Cuban dictator Fidel Castro.

"I think in that same interview, he praised what he called the 'revolution of values' in Cuba, and talked about how people were working for the common good, not for themselves," Clinton said at the Democratic debate audience in Miami.

"I just couldn't disagree more," the former secretary of State added.

"You know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear, you imprison people, even kill people, for expressing their opinions ... that is not the kind of revolution of values that I ever want to see anywhere."

Clinton's remarks followed the debate moderators screening a 1985 video – first reported by Buzzfeed – of Sanders praising Castro.
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Sanders defends past praise of Fidel Castro (Original Post) Alfresco Mar 2016 OP
Down with the Bourgeoisie! Rise proletariat! Death to the capitalist Pig Dogs! Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #1
Is that a Bernie quote? Alfresco Mar 2016 #3
In your world it doesnt matter. After all, this is the meme of the day. Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #5
We see what the talking point of the day will be. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #2
Yep,the email must have gone out. libtodeath Mar 2016 #4
They aren't even trying to hide their redbaiting. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #7
are you really that tone deaf? bigtree Mar 2016 #10
Report them! They are not true Progressives! Only Clintonistas Know what True Progressives Are! Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #13
blocked bigtree Mar 2016 #15
Castro is worse than Batista was? hobbit709 Mar 2016 #17
a DU debate over dictators isn't going to solve this for your candidate bigtree Mar 2016 #22
And your red baiting is? hobbit709 Mar 2016 #23
blocked bigtree Mar 2016 #24
Read "Open veins of Latin America" and you too will understand AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #18
Nicely said riversedge Mar 2016 #28
How do Obama's recent actions re: Cuba read? iwannaknow Mar 2016 #31
Most of the so-called "suffering" was due to the US embargoes. panader0 Mar 2016 #43
It was called by DU Sanders supporters last night. nc4bo Mar 2016 #9
Bad optics ... salinsky Mar 2016 #6
Right, cuz he's a commie! AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #19
Do you really believe that? Punkingal Mar 2016 #29
I believe you can't get elected in America in 2016 by coddling communists ... salinsky Mar 2016 #32
if he can get by the DNC machine Go Vols Mar 2016 #39
Polls this far out from a GE aren't worth squat ... salinsky Mar 2016 #42
He is electable....that tired old argument is just not valid. Punkingal Mar 2016 #40
You really should reconsider your user name, then. Myrina Mar 2016 #41
You're probably right ... salinsky Mar 2016 #44
Clinton wants to be like Ghengis Khan Gwhittey Mar 2016 #8
Report any and all Bernista Activity to your local Clinton Safety Group! Katashi_itto Mar 2016 #11
Bernie is right, Hill is wrong yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #12
History is lost on the Brutal US backed Dictator who Castro helped overthrow WDIM Mar 2016 #33
Most Americans believe the brainwashing about Cuba. brush Mar 2016 #37
read this article in the Latin Times where they call it Sanders' 'David Duke moment bigtree Mar 2016 #14
Bernie may as well forget the Florida primary. oasis Mar 2016 #26
Abu Ghraib. Octafish Mar 2016 #16
Red Baiting is making a rather pathetic return. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #20
+1000 senz Mar 2016 #36
Hmm...that video is an unfortunate revelation for MineralMan Mar 2016 #21
Say hi to Hugo! pinebox Mar 2016 #25
Kissinger, Chavez. Yes, you do meet people in her line of work. (eom) oasis Mar 2016 #27
Sure and your point? pinebox Mar 2016 #35
Is this a progressive site or what? brush Mar 2016 #38
Go read the original OP pinebox Mar 2016 #45
"if the values are that you oppress people" Clinton is a hypocrit. WDIM Mar 2016 #30
Red-baiting, like Muslim-baiting, thrives on stupidity, ignorance, and fear. senz Mar 2016 #34
k&r DesertRat Mar 2016 #46
Red baiting really only deserves one kind of response... beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #47
That's very interesting, isn't it? NurseJackie Mar 2016 #48

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
7. They aren't even trying to hide their redbaiting.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:55 AM
Mar 2016

It's a Gunny Sergeant's Coffee kinda day today-- black, no sugar, and a splash of honey whiskey.

Cause if not, I'mma say something I'll regret.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
10. are you really that tone deaf?
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:58 AM
Mar 2016

...do you have any notion at all how these comments of his read to those who have suffered under the Castro dictatorship(s)?

You Sanders folks need to get up off of your talking points and start talking like the progressives your campaign professes to be.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
22. a DU debate over dictators isn't going to solve this for your candidate
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:15 PM
Mar 2016

...not will charges of 'redbaiting' or any other smears your fellow Sanders folks are dishing out to those who dare repeat Sanders own words.

It's not me who needs your explanation, it's the folks who were made to endure that dictatorship Sanders was defending on that video shown last night in Florida. Good luck with that.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
18. Read "Open veins of Latin America" and you too will understand
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:10 PM
Mar 2016

"Open veins of Latin America" is read by every school kid in Latin America. Reading it, you will discover why Capitalism is so reviled in that part of the world.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
43. Most of the so-called "suffering" was due to the US embargoes.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks Obama for beginning to normalize relationships.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
9. It was called by DU Sanders supporters last night.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

It's about the ONLY Hillary can claim being transparent about; smears, lies, dishonesty.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
6. Bad optics ...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:54 AM
Mar 2016

I had a post taken down a couple of days ago that consisted of a satirical picture of Stalin endorsing Bernie Sanders.

It looks like Sanders would accept that endorsement.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
32. I believe you can't get elected in America in 2016 by coddling communists ...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:50 PM
Mar 2016

... the Repukes are gonna kill him with this kind of stuff in the GE.

And, it will work.

There are way too many old, low-info voters still out there.

It's been my main problem with Sanders from the get go - he's not electable.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
42. Polls this far out from a GE aren't worth squat ...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

... the Repukes have already thrown everything they have at Hillary, and she's still going.

They haven't even started with Bernie, but he's providing them with all the material that could ever wish for.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
40. He is electable....that tired old argument is just not valid.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:05 PM
Mar 2016

And he would not have embraced Stalin. That is just ridiculous.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
41. You really should reconsider your user name, then.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:11 PM
Mar 2016

You do Mr Alinsky & all real social change activists a dis-service.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
44. You're probably right ...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

... I just carried the name over from another forum where "conservatives" and progressives freely went at it.

I only used it because it drove the wingnutz bonkers.

Any suggestions?

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
8. Clinton wants to be like Ghengis Khan
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:55 AM
Mar 2016

“Ride a horse and cross the Gobi Desert to the place people think Genghis Khan is buried.” -Clinton

“I still haven’t been to Mongolia. I do want to ride a horse across the Mongolian steppes; try to imagine what it was like to be in Genghis Khan’s horde." -Clinton

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
12. Bernie is right, Hill is wrong
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:01 PM
Mar 2016

US citizens do not know this, of course.
Castro reached out to the US -- and we would have none of it.
If he was not going to allow us to build our factories and pollute
the pristine land and pay slave's wages, and run our casinos,
and utterly corrupt the place, we were not interested.
Viva Castro, he saved Cuba from being utterly savaged by
the US corporation.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
33. History is lost on the Brutal US backed Dictator who Castro helped overthrow
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:54 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary Clinton's response is complete hypocrisy and Bernie Sanders should hit back with her support of brutal murderous dictators is the Middle East namely Saudi Arabia. A country know very well for disappearing people and murdering people just for their beliefs. They cut off more heads than ISIS and Hillary approves sends them weapons as SOS. Her foreign policy is abysmal.

brush

(53,791 posts)
37. Most Americans believe the brainwashing about Cuba.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:48 PM
Mar 2016

The overthrow of Batista was also a rejection of American corporate rule which backed Batista. The fact that the Cuban revolution has many parallels with America's own was never taught here.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
14. read this article in the Latin Times where they call it Sanders' 'David Duke moment
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:03 PM
Mar 2016

...referring to Trump's refusal to disavow the Klan:


Bernie Sanders Stumbles On Fidel Castro Question In Miami

Is this Bernie Sander’s “David Duke” moment? When asked to differentiate his brand of social from the communist leader Fidel Castro, Sanders had little to say. The Univision/CNN/Facebook debate featured video of then Mayor Sanders explaining why he believed the Cuban people had not staged an insurrection against Cuba, and why then President Ronald Reagan was wrong to think that Nicaraguans would do the same against the leftist government there. “They had forgotten that he educated their kids, gave them health care,” he said in the video, adding that the Castros had “totally transformed their society” but also qualifying his statement “You know, not to say that Fidel Castro or Cuba are perfect, they are certainly not.”

“In South Florida there are still open wounds among some exiles regarding socialism and communism. So please explain what is the difference between the socialism that you profess and the socialism in Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela,” Univision anchor María Elena Salinas asked.

Sanders got two chances to divorce his “democratic socialist” label from 1960s Cuban communism. At first he focused on the failures of U.S. intervention in Latin America, and historical support for regime change towards brutal dictatorships. But he didn’t really answer the question. Then the moderator gave him another shot.

“Look, let's look at the facts here,” Sanders said. “Cuba is, of course, an authoritarian undemocratic country, and I hope very much as soon as possible it becomes a democratic country. But on the other hand [...], it would be wrong not to state that in Cuba they have made some good advances in health care. They are sending doctors all over the world. They have made some progress in education.”

Not unlike the time that Donald Trump hesitated to “disavow” David Duke while his opponents call him racist, Sanders failed to distance himself sharply from Fidel Castro while his critics call him a communist. No worse a place could he have lobbed the flub than in South Florida, in Miami, about a five-minute walk from Freedom Tower, the Ellis Island of Cubans fleeing the Castro regime.

It might not have been a fair question -- the Florida equivalent of comparing yourself to Hitler -- but it could have been easily and directly answered. Hillary Clinton seized on Sander’s blunder a few seconds later.

“I just want to add one thing to the question you were asking Senator Sanders,” she said, after a short response to a question about Puerto Rico. “I think in that same interview, he praised what he called the revolution of values in Cuba and talked about how people were working for the common good, not for themselves. I just couldn't disagree more. You know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear people, you imprison people or even kill people for expressing their opinions, for expressing freedom of speech, that is not the kind of revolution of values that I ever want to see anywhere.”

Just like that, Clinton connected the Castro regime in Cuba to Sanders calls for a “political revolution” in American politics...



read more: http://www.latintimes.com/democratic-debate-bernie-sanders-stumbles-fidel-castro-question-miami-374005

oasis

(49,389 posts)
26. Bernie may as well forget the Florida primary.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:31 PM
Mar 2016

If he should somehow get the nomination, scratch Florida off the campaign map.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. Abu Ghraib.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:09 PM
Mar 2016

"You know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear, you imprison people, even kill people, for expressing their opinions ... that is not the kind of revolution of values that I ever want to see anywhere."

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
20. Red Baiting is making a rather pathetic return.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:11 PM
Mar 2016

Please tell us how many dictators, murderers, torturers, Hillary smiled at, praised, and entertained as First Lady and Secretary of State.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
21. Hmm...that video is an unfortunate revelation for
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:15 PM
Mar 2016

Senator Sanders. He responded about as well as he could have, but we will be seeing that video again, perhaps many times.

How people feel about Castro's Cuba varies in this country, but it's a tough issue for many.

Either way, I'm sure Sanders isn't all that happy about the video appearing at this point in his campaign, especially in Florida, which votes next week. He needs to do well in that state and is seriously behind in the polls there at this point.

Little things often make the difference. As for myself, Castro's Cuba is a disappearing issue for most people. When JFK was President, it was a huge issue, but it has faded away as a pivotal concern for most Americans. In Florida, though, it's still on a significant group's collective mind.

We may see whether the video and his response alters the outcome in Florida in just a few days. I can't predict.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
35. Sure and your point?
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:24 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sick of the bullshit red baiting by Hillary supporters. She has more shit in her closet than there are pot shops in Denver.

brush

(53,791 posts)
38. Is this a progressive site or what?
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:51 PM
Mar 2016

Did I make a wrong turn?

Chavez was not the evil demon being depicted here and progressives should know better.

He called out Bush as a warmongering imperialist and the "devil" at the UN in 2006.

He also defied the US-backed ruling class of Venezuela and made a better life for his people.

He was most likely poisoned by agents of this country.

WDIM

(1,662 posts)
30. "if the values are that you oppress people" Clinton is a hypocrit.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:46 PM
Mar 2016

"if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear, you imprison people, even kill people, for expressing their opinions ... that is not the kind of revolution of values that I ever want to see anywhere."

She doesn't mind taking large amounts of money from dictators in the middle east that do this very thing.
She doesn't mind militarily supporting dictators in the middle east that do exactly this!
She doesn't mind sending these murderers weapons and bombs.
Hey Hey Hill-a-ry how many dictators did you arm today?!

Her foreign policy does not stand to wisdom, justice, and love! I will never vote for a foreign policy that has such a contempt for democracy, liberty, and human rights.

Here is an example:
When Saudi-backed forces of the repressive Bahraini monarchy brutally crushed nonviolent pro-democracy demonstrators in that Persian Gulf kingdom and the killings, torture and repression were being condemned throughout the world, the Wall Street Journal reported that Clinton had emerged as one of the "leading voices inside the administration urging greater US support for the Bahraini king." While insisting that the United States back right-wing Israeli governments because Israel is "the sole democracy in the Middle East," Clinton has done her best to make sure other Middle Eastern countries remain undemocratic.
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/14401

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
34. Red-baiting, like Muslim-baiting, thrives on stupidity, ignorance, and fear.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:20 PM
Mar 2016

For that reason alone, it does not surprise me that the Clinton camp is jumping head first into that nasty practice.

The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful people who have nothing in common with ISIS.

The vast majority of socialists are democratic, free people who have nothing in common with communist dictatorships. They are northern Europe, FDR Democrats, and our nation's founders: they believe that government should serve the people and not the wealthy few. That is where Bernie stands.

Bernie does not champion communism and was not defending it in the video clip last night. He was stating his disagreement with past U.S. practices of running roughshod over the sovereignty of Latin American governments. He refused to join in total blanket censure of Fidel Castro, -- a litmus test supported only by Cold War relics.

Hillary Clinton seized on the possibility of branding Bernie a communist. This is in keeping with her auto bailout attack a few days ago.

It is dishonest, dirty politics -- and it defines Hillary Clinton.

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