2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders defends past praise of Fidel Castro
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/272485-sanders-defends-past-praise-of-fidel-castro"I think in that same interview, he praised what he called the 'revolution of values' in Cuba, and talked about how people were working for the common good, not for themselves," Clinton said at the Democratic debate audience in Miami.
"I just couldn't disagree more," the former secretary of State added.
"You know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear, you imprison people, even kill people, for expressing their opinions ... that is not the kind of revolution of values that I ever want to see anywhere."
Clinton's remarks followed the debate moderators screening a 1985 video first reported by Buzzfeed of Sanders praising Castro.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Drink Nuka Cola!
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Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)libtodeath
(2,888 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)It's a Gunny Sergeant's Coffee kinda day today-- black, no sugar, and a splash of honey whiskey.
Cause if not, I'mma say something I'll regret.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...do you have any notion at all how these comments of his read to those who have suffered under the Castro dictatorship(s)?
You Sanders folks need to get up off of your talking points and start talking like the progressives your campaign professes to be.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...joker.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...not will charges of 'redbaiting' or any other smears your fellow Sanders folks are dishing out to those who dare repeat Sanders own words.
It's not me who needs your explanation, it's the folks who were made to endure that dictatorship Sanders was defending on that video shown last night in Florida. Good luck with that.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)...find another poster to bully.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)"Open veins of Latin America" is read by every school kid in Latin America. Reading it, you will discover why Capitalism is so reviled in that part of the world.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)iwannaknow
(210 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Thanks Obama for beginning to normalize relationships.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)It's about the ONLY Hillary can claim being transparent about; smears, lies, dishonesty.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)I had a post taken down a couple of days ago that consisted of a satirical picture of Stalin endorsing Bernie Sanders.
It looks like Sanders would accept that endorsement.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Or are you just throwing shit for the hell of it?
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... the Repukes are gonna kill him with this kind of stuff in the GE.
And, it will work.
There are way too many old, low-info voters still out there.
It's been my main problem with Sanders from the get go - he's not electable.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)He fares better than Hillary to be Prez
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... the Repukes have already thrown everything they have at Hillary, and she's still going.
They haven't even started with Bernie, but he's providing them with all the material that could ever wish for.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)And he would not have embraced Stalin. That is just ridiculous.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)You do Mr Alinsky & all real social change activists a dis-service.
salinsky
(1,065 posts)... I just carried the name over from another forum where "conservatives" and progressives freely went at it.
I only used it because it drove the wingnutz bonkers.
Any suggestions?
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Ride a horse and cross the Gobi Desert to the place people think Genghis Khan is buried. -Clinton
I still havent been to Mongolia. I do want to ride a horse across the Mongolian steppes; try to imagine what it was like to be in Genghis Khans horde." -Clinton
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)US citizens do not know this, of course.
Castro reached out to the US -- and we would have none of it.
If he was not going to allow us to build our factories and pollute
the pristine land and pay slave's wages, and run our casinos,
and utterly corrupt the place, we were not interested.
Viva Castro, he saved Cuba from being utterly savaged by
the US corporation.
WDIM
(1,662 posts)Hillary Clinton's response is complete hypocrisy and Bernie Sanders should hit back with her support of brutal murderous dictators is the Middle East namely Saudi Arabia. A country know very well for disappearing people and murdering people just for their beliefs. They cut off more heads than ISIS and Hillary approves sends them weapons as SOS. Her foreign policy is abysmal.
brush
(53,791 posts)The overthrow of Batista was also a rejection of American corporate rule which backed Batista. The fact that the Cuban revolution has many parallels with America's own was never taught here.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)...referring to Trump's refusal to disavow the Klan:
Bernie Sanders Stumbles On Fidel Castro Question In Miami
Is this Bernie Sanders David Duke moment? When asked to differentiate his brand of social from the communist leader Fidel Castro, Sanders had little to say. The Univision/CNN/Facebook debate featured video of then Mayor Sanders explaining why he believed the Cuban people had not staged an insurrection against Cuba, and why then President Ronald Reagan was wrong to think that Nicaraguans would do the same against the leftist government there. They had forgotten that he educated their kids, gave them health care, he said in the video, adding that the Castros had totally transformed their society but also qualifying his statement You know, not to say that Fidel Castro or Cuba are perfect, they are certainly not.
In South Florida there are still open wounds among some exiles regarding socialism and communism. So please explain what is the difference between the socialism that you profess and the socialism in Nicaragua, Cuba and Venezuela, Univision anchor María Elena Salinas asked.
Sanders got two chances to divorce his democratic socialist label from 1960s Cuban communism. At first he focused on the failures of U.S. intervention in Latin America, and historical support for regime change towards brutal dictatorships. But he didnt really answer the question. Then the moderator gave him another shot.
Look, let's look at the facts here, Sanders said. Cuba is, of course, an authoritarian undemocratic country, and I hope very much as soon as possible it becomes a democratic country. But on the other hand [...], it would be wrong not to state that in Cuba they have made some good advances in health care. They are sending doctors all over the world. They have made some progress in education.
Not unlike the time that Donald Trump hesitated to disavow David Duke while his opponents call him racist, Sanders failed to distance himself sharply from Fidel Castro while his critics call him a communist. No worse a place could he have lobbed the flub than in South Florida, in Miami, about a five-minute walk from Freedom Tower, the Ellis Island of Cubans fleeing the Castro regime.
It might not have been a fair question -- the Florida equivalent of comparing yourself to Hitler -- but it could have been easily and directly answered. Hillary Clinton seized on Sanders blunder a few seconds later.
I just want to add one thing to the question you were asking Senator Sanders, she said, after a short response to a question about Puerto Rico. I think in that same interview, he praised what he called the revolution of values in Cuba and talked about how people were working for the common good, not for themselves. I just couldn't disagree more. You know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear people, you imprison people or even kill people for expressing their opinions, for expressing freedom of speech, that is not the kind of revolution of values that I ever want to see anywhere.
Just like that, Clinton connected the Castro regime in Cuba to Sanders calls for a political revolution in American politics...
read more: http://www.latintimes.com/democratic-debate-bernie-sanders-stumbles-fidel-castro-question-miami-374005
oasis
(49,389 posts)If he should somehow get the nomination, scratch Florida off the campaign map.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"You know, if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear, you imprison people, even kill people, for expressing their opinions ... that is not the kind of revolution of values that I ever want to see anywhere."
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Please tell us how many dictators, murderers, torturers, Hillary smiled at, praised, and entertained as First Lady and Secretary of State.
senz
(11,945 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Senator Sanders. He responded about as well as he could have, but we will be seeing that video again, perhaps many times.
How people feel about Castro's Cuba varies in this country, but it's a tough issue for many.
Either way, I'm sure Sanders isn't all that happy about the video appearing at this point in his campaign, especially in Florida, which votes next week. He needs to do well in that state and is seriously behind in the polls there at this point.
Little things often make the difference. As for myself, Castro's Cuba is a disappearing issue for most people. When JFK was President, it was a huge issue, but it has faded away as a pivotal concern for most Americans. In Florida, though, it's still on a significant group's collective mind.
We may see whether the video and his response alters the outcome in Florida in just a few days. I can't predict.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)I'm sick of the bullshit red baiting by Hillary supporters. She has more shit in her closet than there are pot shops in Denver.
brush
(53,791 posts)Did I make a wrong turn?
Chavez was not the evil demon being depicted here and progressives should know better.
He called out Bush as a warmongering imperialist and the "devil" at the UN in 2006.
He also defied the US-backed ruling class of Venezuela and made a better life for his people.
He was most likely poisoned by agents of this country.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)and understand what I am saying in response
WDIM
(1,662 posts)"if the values are that you oppress people, you disappear, you imprison people, even kill people, for expressing their opinions ... that is not the kind of revolution of values that I ever want to see anywhere."
She doesn't mind taking large amounts of money from dictators in the middle east that do this very thing.
She doesn't mind militarily supporting dictators in the middle east that do exactly this!
She doesn't mind sending these murderers weapons and bombs.
Hey Hey Hill-a-ry how many dictators did you arm today?!
Her foreign policy does not stand to wisdom, justice, and love! I will never vote for a foreign policy that has such a contempt for democracy, liberty, and human rights.
Here is an example:
When Saudi-backed forces of the repressive Bahraini monarchy brutally crushed nonviolent pro-democracy demonstrators in that Persian Gulf kingdom and the killings, torture and repression were being condemned throughout the world, the Wall Street Journal reported that Clinton had emerged as one of the "leading voices inside the administration urging greater US support for the Bahraini king." While insisting that the United States back right-wing Israeli governments because Israel is "the sole democracy in the Middle East," Clinton has done her best to make sure other Middle Eastern countries remain undemocratic.
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/14401
senz
(11,945 posts)For that reason alone, it does not surprise me that the Clinton camp is jumping head first into that nasty practice.
The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful people who have nothing in common with ISIS.
The vast majority of socialists are democratic, free people who have nothing in common with communist dictatorships. They are northern Europe, FDR Democrats, and our nation's founders: they believe that government should serve the people and not the wealthy few. That is where Bernie stands.
Bernie does not champion communism and was not defending it in the video clip last night. He was stating his disagreement with past U.S. practices of running roughshod over the sovereignty of Latin American governments. He refused to join in total blanket censure of Fidel Castro, -- a litmus test supported only by Cold War relics.
Hillary Clinton seized on the possibility of branding Bernie a communist. This is in keeping with her auto bailout attack a few days ago.
It is dishonest, dirty politics -- and it defines Hillary Clinton.