2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary's "honest and trustworthy" blind spot
At last night's debate, when asked about the fact that only 37% of Americans find Hillary honest and trustworthy, she could not explain why, except to say that she isn't a "natural politician."
Minutes later, she basically accuses Sanders of supporting vigilantes and of being cozy with the Koch brothers.
Seriously? And she doesn't understand why people don't see her as honest? Anybody who knows anything about Sanders knows immediately that these accusations are bogus.
What Hillary would probably say is that, technically, she didn't lie. There was some germ of truth underlying her statements, therefore she's honest. What she doesn't seem to understand is that using a truth to intentionally create a false impression is still dishonest and many people are smart enough to know when something is fundamentally a lie even when a small kernel truth can be found buried somewhere in it. Just like her earlier scare tactics about Bernie taking away people's ACA coverage, when the only way that would happen would be if there were something better to take its place. She certainly knows enough to not believe any of this stuff herself, and she's surprised that she's seen as dishonest?
Of course, Bill Clinton was also a master of this kind of parsing. And he was, indeed, a natural politician. Which basically only means that he was better at getting away with it. Which, when you think of it, is a pretty sad defense.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)I needed the laugh. Thanks.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)They still amount to lies because they are deliberately misleading. I think she is very much the natural politician when it comes to that although not as good as her husband was.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)They are trained to think in technicalities. They are incapable of straightforward answers.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Most politicians are good at it. Hillary is good at making her lies obvious.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)wins the primary because they feel he's beatable in the GE, and even if he won would be totally ineffective waving his arms and grousing about how the system is rigged. Nothing would come of it with Sanders in office, assuming he can win the primary and then the GE.
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)But seriously, does anyone think Sanders truly supports vigilantism or the Kochs? Of course not. I'm sure not even Hillary herself thinks that.
And that's what makes it come off as a lie in the bigger sense regardless of the veracity of some detail. And so it plays into the perception of Hillary as dishonest.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)Jarqui
(10,126 posts)She has no internal control that she can hear or react to that says "Stop. Don't say that. That isn't true."
She's chronically dishonest and has been since she showed up in Washington or before.
I think part of the reason is that she cannot see it. She's not aware that many of us have it figured out. Telling her 63% don't trust her doesn't really register with her - it doesn't deeply trouble her or she would change her behavior. What's worse is that she's not even very good at it - she gets caught lying and deceiving a lot - probably at the highest rate of any US politician in history. It's kind of incredible she has gotten as far as she has doing that.
In 2008, she ran for Liar-in-Chief. In 2016, different set of lies but more or less, she's going for the same thing pathetically oblivious that the majority of Americans see through her dishonesty.
It's like a Shakespearean tragedy or watching a car accident in slow motion. She has all this money, ties to the wealthy establishment and advantages and some talents but lacks the good sense to realize that others can see through her blatant, daily lack of integrity.
And to me, when you're that fucked up mentality about your place in reality - in kind of a surreal mindset, you shouldn't be president of the United States. But with Cruz and Trump possessing far worse attributes mentally, sadly, that half justifies her deluded existence in this campaign.
"the most powerful person in the world" ... and not many worth a damn want the job.