flavor as a rand or ron paul?

No doubt in my mind. When Paul was still in they were sending volunteers to his events.

Bernie did vote that way.

Bernie with kid gloves and he hasnt been vetted. The sick thing is that Minutemen founder openly advocates killing border crossers. Sick. I will find the quote and update.

The Minuteman Vigilante's Arizona Murder Trial

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/26/minuteman-vigilantes-arizona-murder-trial-brisenia-flores-mother-testifies.html

Brisenia Flores Was a Victim of Border Vigilantes and Media Indifference
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raul-a-reyes/brisenia-flores-was-a-vic_b_832416.html

Death Sentence for Arizona Minuteman Who Killed Girl and Dad
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/02/death-sentence-for-arizona-minuteman-who-killed-girl-and-dad.php

How many people died as a result of Hillary's vote to illegally invade Iraq?

How many people died because of her actions to destroy the government in Libya?

How many people died as a result of her actions in overthrowing the democratically elected government in Ukraine?

Need I go on? She's a bloodthirsty warmonger. Vote for her at your own peril and the peril of the lives of your children and grandchildren -- while she funnels your money to the Wall Street gangsters.

This text description could have been written by anyone as far as we know.

Somebody find and link to the official text of the amendment.

as the Amendment was a GOP Amendment that was them pandering to their low information voters and did nothing. Today that this actually worked on DNC low information voters.

True he did vote for it but it is a do nothing thing that HRC trying to smear around. She is trying to make issue out of nothing. It is like passing on a bill that had rider that said "No American ca import Mars rocks from endangered Martians" It does not happen so what is point of holding a bill up because some loon put that in.

I know but look at how hard it is to get them to even think it does mean nothing with the warped version they are pushing. I was just trying to talk to the audience this thread seems to be attracting support from.

but it was certainly in the presentation of the amendment.

https://www.congress.gov/amendment/109th-congress/house-amendment/971/text

Mr. KINGSTON. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may
consume.
Mr. Chairman, what this amendment does is it clarifies Congress'
position on a Border Patrol practice or a practice of the U.S.
Government that tips off illegal immigrants as to where citizen patrols
may be located. As we know, we had lots of testimony and lots of visits
from people along the border, and we have seen lots of cameras and lots
of videos about just the total lawlessness of people coming illegally
over the border at night.
As a response in that area, a group has sprung up called the
Minutemen Project, and the Minutemen Project is definitely not
politically correct in Washington, D.C. However, they filled a void
which the government was unable to fill.
There are over 7,000 volunteers in the Minutemen organization, and I
am sure, like any other group of 7,000 people, you could find a bad
apple or two. Yet, at the same time overall, their help has been
productive and good. In fact, the Border Patrol itself in a CRS study
indicates how helpful they have been, and their involvement has reduced
the number of apprehensions of people coming over. That is because
their folks are watching the border.
What my amendment does is simply says that the U.S. Government cannot
tip off the Mexican officials as to where these folks are located.
Plain and simple, nothing fancy about it. I am sure the Border Patrol
will say, oh, no, we are not doing that, and yet one of the Web pages
of the Secretary of Mexico had the information very explicit, and we
just do not believe that is a good practice.
So what we wanted to do is confirm Congress' position in an
amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.

Nobody can keep track of every statement made on the floor of the house. That's why you go by the text of the actual amendment that was voted on, which said absolutely nothing about the "Minutemen".

It was a Amendment that was a rider to another bill. Basically it said the Dept Homeland security cold not pass on information to Mexican govt that pertained to the Minuteman Project unless expressly stated in a international treaty. This Amendment was added by some dipstick GOPer as a fluff thing. The Dept Homeland Security has never passed on information and never would unless stated in a international treaty. So basically it was a that was a do nothing thing, They do this all time in Congress but usually it is some fucked up thing that does something and people have to weigh the pros vs cons of having the bill passed or not. This time it was a no brainier as Amendment did nothing at all.

You know with all HRC experience she likes to claim you would think she had one clue about how congress works? Or did she just want to bullshit the people, that would never work.

Oh wait this thread proves my last statement wrong.

Hillary would be disappointed in you, young jedi.

Well... WOULD YOU?

It would screw up the narrative.

Sanders' vote did not...

Create the minutemen
Fund the minutemen

So for Hillary to paint this as if Bernie fully supports and stands alongside the minutemen is a great exaggeration.

Let's look at what the amendment was intended to do...

Ah! So, Bernie voted to keep the activities of the Minutemen from being disclosed to Mexican authorities.

This isn't golden. But you know what else it isn't? It's not an example of Bernie fully supporting the "hunting of immigrants".

That smear is egregious at best. Bernie's record on many other fronts stands against that. If we're supposed to deny the nomination to a candidate because of a few stupid votes, then why are we even considering Hillary?

U.S. Border Patrol from tipping off the Mexican government is something than do not ever do. So basically it was a Keep doing what you are doing U.S. Border Patrol but we are going to tell you to keep doing it so it seems like we are doing something.

I mean, if they were already doing their job as intended then the amendment really was strictly symbolic anyways.

Voting for or against it, the outcome would have been the same. It was a benign amendment. Still, not a good look for Bernie to vote on it, but hey... All the Hillary supporters like mocking us for considering Bernie perfect but... We never did.

Point is, Hillary's got a lot more dents in her armor.

of the actions of the Minutemen, unless required by treaty.

The United States did not notify the Mexican government of their activities prior to the Amendment. Not a big deal.

And interview some of thosr mothers.

there has to be more to this story.

are running for POTUS. Many Democrats voted against it. Why didn't he join them?

i am wondering WHY sanders and some democrats voted yes. do you have any information about that? it seems odd that mckinney would support this. sanders too.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/109th-congress/house-bill/5441

Quote a long bill with a lot to read through. It's no wonder minimizing votes into sound bites is such a dangerous thing to do.

And yes Dems voted for it including Sherrod Brown, John Dingle, Peter Defazio.

with mckinney, sanders and others in the yes camp, it sounds like some deal was made.

voted yea also in the Senate if I read it correctly.......

http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/in-2006-bernie-sanders-voted-in-support-of-an-immigration-co#.syQNJ0KZB

There was no reason to support them, symbolically, or otherwise

CLINTON: Sanders "stood with the Minutemen vigilantes in their ridiculous, absurd efforts to, quote, hunt down immigrants."

SANDERS: "No, I do not support vigilantes, and that is a horrific statement, an unfair statement to make."

THE FACTS: She was right about his vote, perhaps a little over the top in characterizing it. In 2006, as a member of the House running for the Senate, Sanders voted for an obscure and largely symbolic amendment that sought to prohibit Washington from giving information to foreign governments about the activities of a civilian group operating along the border.

At the time, some hard-liners against immigration were concerned that U.S. officials were tipping off the Mexican government about movements of the civilian Minuteman group that was patrolling the border for people crossing illegally.

Sanders said it was an unimportant amendment "supported by dozens and dozens of members of the House which codified existing legislation." But it stands as an example of lawmakers backing something they might not like — or might not have given enough thought to — in order to achieve larger goals in a bill. As it was, the amendment did not survive and the issue was mostly forgotten — but not by Clinton.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/AP-FACT-CHECK-Eye-popping-claims-about-Sanders-6881126.php

or might not have given enough thought to — in order to achieve larger goals in a bill."

That was not the case here It was a specific amendment on the Minutemen, he could have voted no, and "symbolically" (using his camp's word) repudiate them.

Perhaps. I don't know that Bernie was offering this up as a compromise, but it appears some deal was made.

http://www.ontheissues.org/HouseVote/Party_2006-224.htm

... in order to find anything, and I mean anything, with which to possibly taint Sen. Sanders.

The Clinton campaign must be pretty worried about something to feel compelled to resort to these kinds of shenanigans.

I mean really, who is going to believe that Bernie is in league with the Minutemen, the same Bernie who supported the Sandinistas?

Likewise, the socialist Sanders didn't support the auto rescue?

The whole tactic is so ridiculous that it actually redounds to Sanders' benefit and makes Hillary look like the ruthless, do anything, say anything typical politician that she is.

Fact Checkers Agree: Bernie Sanders Voted To Protect The Minutemen


http://correctrecord.org/fact-checkers-agree-bernie-sanders-voted-to-protect-the-minutemen/



At last night’s debate, Senator Sanders was confronted with his vote in support of an amendment to protect the “extreme nativist” vigilante group known as the Minutemen – and then flatly denied voting to support them.

JORGE RAMOS: Did you support the Minutemen? Did you support the Minutemen as the Secretary said?

BERNIE SANDERS: Of course not. There was a piece of legislation supported by dozens and dozens of members of the House which codified existing legislation.

The fact checkers have weighed in and concluded that Clinton was right:

Washington Post Fact Checker: “While Sanders suggested the measure was a small part of a larger bill, it was approved in a recorded vote as a stand-alone amendment.”


Politifact: “Still, as with Clinton’s charge about indefinite detention, her statement about Sanders supporting an amendment favorable to the Minutemen is largely accurate.”

Politico Wrongometer: “Actually, Sanders did vote to protect the Minutemen”

AP Fact Check: “THE FACTS: She was right about his vote”

Factcheck.org: “But in this case, Sanders voted in favor of a stand-alone amendment proposed by Minutemen-friendly Republicans. Sanders argued that the legislation merely codified existing policy, but it was opposed by a majority of Democrats.”




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This is the content from the Wash Post link above. All the links have some reasoning for their vote.

Sanders “sided with those Republicans to stand with vigilantes known as Minutemen who were taking up outposts along the border to hunt down immigrants.”

— Clinton

“There was a piece of legislation supported by dozens and dozens of members of the House which codified existing legislation. What the secretary is doing tonight and has done very often is take large pieces of legislation and take pieces out of it.”

— Sanders

Sanders: I will match my record against Clinton's 'any day of the week'
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Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders went on the attack after rival Hillary Clinton accused him of supporting the anti-immigration Minutemen. "Madam Secretary, I will match my record against yours any day of the week," he said. (The Washington Post)

Clinton was referring to an incident that BuzzFeed documented in December. In 2006, members of Congress had become upset at rumors that American officials were tipping off the Mexican government about the whereabouts of Minutemen patrols. Sanders, then a House member, was one of 76 Democrats who voted in favor of an amendment that barred the Department of Homeland Security from providing “a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona.”

Sanders was running for a Senate seat at the time.

A Sanders spokesman dismissed the measure to BuzzFeed as a “nuisance amendment” that was dismissed by Customs and Border Protection as “a meaningless thing” and so he voted for it. (Among Democrats, he was joined by mostly conservative members.) But National Council of La Raza, the largest Hispanic advocacy group, at the time said the amendment was part of a “a backdoor effort to criminalize the undocumented population.”

While Sanders suggested the measure was a small part of a larger bill, it was approved in a recorded vote as a stand-alone amendment..........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/10/fact-checking-the-eighth-democratic-debate/

Meh.

Is this the best you've got, Hillary, et al?

This is right up there with say...voting to go to war in Iraq. Come HRC, is this really what you are about? Next we'll hear you try to claim that Sanders is friends with the Koch brothers....

the old GOP talking point where Obama is commie socialist dictator that is stupid but is a evil world mastermind

who is going to take our guns away. And then HRC camp wonders why she is called Republican-Lite.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/03/10/hillary-clinton-was-right-about-bernie-sanders-minuteman-militia-vote-but-sanders-now-denies-intent/O69kcEQSuHpueuVCsxXO4L/story.html

to Foreign Governments, either... Period. That does NOT mean I support the Minute Men...



I'm guessing you're pretending to not understand this...

and, really, isn't coming up with much.

It also shows that the little that had been found, was seized upon and incorporated into HRC's efforts to memorize background information that can be dumped out, should need (and there apparently -is- need) arise.

One can say that mainstream campaigns of the past generation have all done this, although it's not clear if they have all handled the delivery of their blows as hamhandedly.

Then again, it's also the energy of popular rejection of mainstream politics of the past generation that Sanders has tapped into.