...Bernie doesn't know how to "get things done" with Congress like Hillary does.... oh no...

They will do to her what they are doing to Obama because - HIllary.

...they will do to *anyone* with a 'D' after their name what they are doing to Obama... because GOP.


They've simply lost their minds, obstruction is the only play they have in their playbook. They burned all the other pages.


But at least Bernie will push harder to get more out of whatever does manage to get past them.

initially

But Bernie has been working with them, they now him and he has more guts than Obama.

ALso Bernie will not let his Revolution die off like Obama did. He will appoint a head of the DNC that will be effective and 2 years on he will push to turn both the Senate and HOuse (ya I know gerrymander) to Democratic. DINO's will be rooted out.

Bernie still has the better chance of getting anything done than Hillary, or Obama for that matter.

long whey he moved to the WH. And you are right he thought that he could get things done without his followers help. Bernie has the advantage there as he has been in both the House and the Senate for years. He understands that they way things set we all need to work to help him get things done.

As to Hillary - that R House alone will deny her anything really meaningful. They will only work with her on purely R goals.

I dont' buy any of her motions to the left. She's a corporatist period, and that ain't Left.

Sanders even has some of the more sensible, and the anti-Trump conservatives not just irrationally hating him like they irrationally hate anything Clinton. I really don't think the socialism thing will fly far, except with dumbass conservatives who wouldn't vote for him anyway. But sensible PEOPLE like at least some of the things he says. Could it be a beginning of the end of this "us vs them" zeitgeist the GOP has been feeding off of for so long?

Some Hillary supporters are so clueless they point to any conservatives praising Sanders as something to laugh at like it was some kind of handicap. Clueless.

that he is honest. Far too many are too lost to the propaganda, becoming to angry and afraid to listen to anything from the left. The propaganda machine of RW radio and conservative TV (it's more than just Fox News now, way more) has already framed the issues so they don't think they even need to actually listen for themselves to know what someone like Bernie is about.

That's leverage for Bernie. And I'm confident he can and will use that hammer. In addition, Bernie has us. The Political Revolution movement. AS I mentioned above. BTW Hillary is not mainstream and will not be able to do this. If she or the DNC elite think that she can simply step in front of Bernies Movement and use them to pressure the Reich, they are kidding themselves. There will be no enthusiasm there.

It rather flies in the face of those talking smack about his efficacy in Congress.

Thanks for the thread, choie.

As well as the one that says he can't work with congress!

Two for the price of one.

and will find a way to do it as president.

Where there's a will, there's a way. He has the will and finds the way.

Instead of building bridges and finding ways for cooperation. Hell, he's denigrated the Democratic Party for decades and now wants to use it to become President. If Sanders was a force for bringing people together, then why isn't he running under his own party's banner?

Granted, some of his successes are very noteworthy. But it kind of sounds like he doesn't work well with others to me.
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Most of what Bernie has accomplished has been in conjunction with other legislators. He is not a big-shot celebrity, but he has always been liked and respected by fellow legislators. He works primarily with Democrats, always caucuses with them, and does not denigrate the Democratic Party -- so you can drop that smelly canard.

It's how he was elected mayor to start his career. I'm not trying to spread 'candards', it's just that most of us here on DU didn't even know who he was 8 months ago. Maybe there's a reason for that.
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Thirty-five years ago he challenged a rightwing Democratic incumbent, the darling of Vermont Republicans, for the position of Mayor of Burlington.

So once again, please don't spread falsehoods. If your candidate can't make it without lies, then she doesn't deserve to make it.

Some of the below may be hyperbole but it's something that needs to be considered at least in the background if not dismissed.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/23/bernie-sanders-democrat/

Yet Sanders continued to fight with the party locally and his "goal was the destroy Democrats," Maurice Mahoney, the head of Burlington’s Democratic Party in the 1980s, told Politico. He also mounted independent challenges against Democrats, including Vermont’s first female Democratic governor in 1984, and reiterated that he had no party affiliation.

"I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat," he said in a 1985 New England Monthly profile, according to Politico.

"Socialist is the political and economic philosophy I hold, not a party I run under," he explained in 1988, when he unsuccessfully ran for Congress.

and that probably has contributed to his "outsider" status...

His positions on the issues more than anything have made him an outsider, as the Democratic party shifts rightward. The DLC's mission was to "exterminate progressives" as Bill Clinton's advisor Bill Curry put it, so it is not surprising he has had imperfect partnerships with Democrats since arriving in congress.

And also, his positions on the issues has not really changed.

Bernie would never say his goal was to destroy Democrats. That doesn't even make sense. His attachment wasn't to "party." It was, and is, to humane, fair principles and policies (imagine that). Your quote is from someone who resented Bernie. Local Democratic Party bigwigs didn't like losing their personal clout in City Hall, and so they wouldn't say nice things about the outsider who won the election.

Here's how Bernie won the mayoralty:

Plenty of us here have known about Bernie for years.

That doesn't mean he was never mentioned or that I monitored DU 24/7 but it seems to imply that most of us did not know who he was or what he was doing.
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asking questions of Bernie on Thomm Hartmann's "Brunch with Bernie" segment on his Friday radio show. And those listeners were constantly saying to themselves (and others), "Now there's a guy I could get behind. Why doesn't he run for President?"
And whatta ya know, we got our wish. Sweet.

Sorry you're late to the dance, but not to worry, we have plenty of room inside and everyone is welcome.

Otherwise, we'd have heard a lot more about Sanders on DU during those years.
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Surely you didn't trust George W Bush, did you?

What're more, she lied:

It was not so easy for a NY senator after 9/11 had decimated NYC and state. 72% of Americans supported the Iraq vote.

Nor did she read all the intel.

Somehow Bernie (and Kucinich and Lee and others) was able to come to the correct decision.

And people wonder why nobody trusts her? She placed human lives over doing the right thing.

And you make excuses for that. May you never lose a loved one in a war.

If she voted for vengeance for 9/11 she was a ghoul, if she believed Bush's lies she was incompetent.

Either way she got it wrong and millions suffrered and died.

she voted for political reasons..I'm from NYC and I knew many many people who knew that Bush was lying and that preemptive war against Iraq was immoral and illegal. She is a warmonger, pure and simple.

How so? Did she believe there were WMD?

Even I didn't believe that! (neither did she. It was just another opportunistic vote)

Support her all you want, but there was absolutely no justification for that vote. Even Lincoln knew this. Come on now. Stop it.

What did Hillary do besides create more veterans by voting for the Iraq war?

I look at things globally.

If you look at things from a global perspective and don't want more of the same hawkish policies and wars that is.

My dad predicted the same thing, creating a power vacuum in Iraq would destabilize the middle east.

Given way too much prominence. A lot of democrats and republicans voted for it. Some safe state politicians grandstanded.

Not everything is about casting your vote to reflect popular appeal. You personally have to stand for something as a politician as well. And if the voters do not like that, they can vote you out.

may have a different take on "principles."

your candidate's vote. That's ok, I understand, neither could I.

And since the suffering and death in Iraq got a "meh" from you I find your concern for people who weren't "esposed" to nuclear waste dubious at best.

Nice edit but everyone can still see your original post:

I saw it at one point, but lost the link...

The votes were there. All the Democrats and Republicans who knew it was bogus knew their stand would do nothing to stop the invasion.

I'm not saying those votes were 'right'. I'm saying it's politics as practiced by politicians.
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It would only be grandstanding if there were a compromise to be reached and these representatives and senators chose to "keep the moral high ground" when a less ideal but attainable solution can be reached. That in my mind is grandstanding.

What would you prefer? In any vote where 61 Senators and 50% of Congressmen want to vote a certain way the others have to join them to avoid "grandstanding" by opposing an inevitable vote?

I don't think that makes much sense, if only because the citizenry deserve to know where you stood on votes so they can evaluate your suitability for reelection.

But I can't blame politicians for being politicians, either. In politics, voting for a losing side brands one a loser. It's not fair but that's how it is. The Democratic support for the Iraq War Resolution was an acknowledgement of that. The IWR was going to pass if they voted against it so they played it 'safe' by voting in favor of it.
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Certainly John Kerry would not have been nearly the flawed candidate to liberals that he was. It may not have made a difference, but it just may have.

Even though they didn't know it would be a trillion dollars (at least) thrown down the toilet, they could still remind us of that more often now. With the Reign Of Reagan, the Democratic party did move a little to the right. I think they saw it as a question of survival. But the time to get out of that 'habit' is long since past.

I think Sanders is helping to show them that.

Politicians move in cautious ways, like glaciers.
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We destroyed a country and created catastrophic chaos and suffering.

That gets a "meh" from you?

"we came we saw he died" dovetails (or, should I say, warhawks) nicely with "meh" on the Iraq War.

I'm starting to pity these people.

He has, he does still, and he will as President.

toward the tens of thousands who we killed in Iraq and elsewhere as your leader does. How proud you must be.

reading the article or researching the subject like other have before posting here.

Try it. You might learn something.

he averaged working on 4 bill per yr and all he has to show for it, is changing the name of one post office

Only a Hillary Supporter would believe such a thing. So much celebrity watching like a roady makes it so one misses a lot of important, but not flashy. stuff.

Does your mother know you are a liar? I know you do know you are a liar because it is common knowledge that Bernie wrote and got passed the veteran's choice a t. Ask a vet if they think Bernie has " done nothing"
Go back to Yahoo, you are out of your depth here.

He renamed TWO post offices -- not just one!

If only about DU HRC supporters.
On second thought, Yahoo is probably a bridge too far for you. Try Gateway Pundit. There are olots of Authoritarian followers there.

How?
These are only the 3 Clinton bills became law:

A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building".

A bill to designate a portion of United States Route 20A, located in Orchard Park, New York, as the "Timothy J. Russert Highway".

Kate Mullany National Historic Site Act

I guess those are more important buildings to name if you are a Clinton supporter.

But why do people keep overlooking Sanders bill Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013?

And do people not understand how bills get passed and how important getting amendments included is. Like the millions Sanders got included into the ACA for health clinics. And for.a really in depth list, check out:

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

Shillaries gotta shill....

Maybe since it is NY Times, people will take it seriously. We've known Bernie is nothing if not always working, thinking abnd productive. DC's best kept secret!

Now: "Via Legislative Side Doors, Bernie Sanders Won Modest Victories"

Probably.