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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:31 PM Mar 2016

What a weird conversation on MSNBC.

Rachel asking if a billionaire with suitcases full of cash could peel away piles of delegates prior to the election.

Brian Williams suggesting that everyone be mindful of what a national emergency could do just prior to the election.

Ben Ginsberg tell the gritty, gritty details about how delegates can be wooed away as Ron Paul did previously.

That segment might have been called "creative speculation".

But no one brought up the FBI investigation.

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What a weird conversation on MSNBC. (Original Post) grasswire Mar 2016 OP
Which investigation pbmus Mar 2016 #1
Someone should tell trump a few million sent in Hillary's directions has snagglepuss Mar 2016 #2
At least CNN has been keeping to more analysis nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #3
Same here. MSNBC has relegated themselves to garbage for me. senz Mar 2016 #8
"But no one brought up the FBI investigation." Jarqui Mar 2016 #4
Mukasey said last week that Comey said it would be prompt. grasswire Mar 2016 #5
So the other two Inspector Generals have to do their report .. Jarqui Mar 2016 #6
I don't think the IG reports have anything to do with the FBI grasswire Mar 2016 #21
So you can be prosecuted for emails pbmus Mar 2016 #7
I am not going to bother to explain the technicals of this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #9
I am dense and do not understand the nuances of pbmus Mar 2016 #10
Alas it is not made up shit nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #11
Alas, I have had a top secret clearance pbmus Mar 2016 #14
Then you did not pay attention at indoc nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #15
To whom is born classified pbmus Mar 2016 #18
Not my fault, why I no longer discuss this here nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #19
you exposed that one as a real live one, nadin. nt grasswire Mar 2016 #22
Arguably, yes. Jarqui Mar 2016 #23
It's a sad day when CNN has better coverage SHRED Mar 2016 #12
They had overall nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #17
The republican establishment is desperate to steal it from Trump Renew Deal Mar 2016 #13
It is too late to save the party nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #20
They were talking about the shit show over at the GOP. bettyellen Mar 2016 #16

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
2. Someone should tell trump a few million sent in Hillary's directions has
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:43 PM
Mar 2016

worked wonders. Seems to have worked for Swiss bank UBS. Just sayin.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
3. At least CNN has been keeping to more analysis
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

and where votes still need to come in. So glad I have banished MSNBC from my home

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
4. "But no one brought up the FBI investigation."
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

GOP filed four more lawsuits on this stuff yesterday.

I was looking this over. I spent quite of bit of time looking at CIA director Deutch.

In my opinion, the heavy odds are, that they could convict her for what she did - probably a misdemeanor (if it's just the classified emails issue - all bets are off if they make a case against the Clinton Foundation stuff)

Do you know why she's confident they're not going to charge her before the election? Because there isn't enough time. The stall tactics have run out the clock.

It took more than four years to prosecute Deutch.

The FBI have to finish their investigation and write it up. Both Inspector Generals have to finish their investigations and write them up. And these are much, much bigger than what they had to investigate Deutch for. 30,000 emails plus whatever emails from the set of deleted emails that were recovered.

So the FBI and the IGs will submit these reports they haven't written yet to the Attorney General. The Attorney general will take a few months to review them like a judge. She can then ask an independent counsel to look it all over and recommend whether they should proceed with prosecution. She can add another 18 months after the FBI reports are completed just doing that.

Hillary is confident because she knows it can't happen before the elections.

I suspect the GOP recently figured this out and launched the six lawsuits to see what else they could uncover to haunt her with during the general election.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
5. Mukasey said last week that Comey said it would be prompt.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:01 AM
Mar 2016

He's thinking by May.

The investigation about the Clinton Foundation is something separate.

FWIW.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
6. So the other two Inspector Generals have to do their report ..
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:13 AM
Mar 2016

The Inspector General for Deutch spent about a year on it before reporting back to the Attorney General. And again, this is a much more complex case so it will probably take them longer.

I've seen "unofficial reports" that the FBI has been brought in to look at the Clinton Foundation stuff - which the Inspector General for the State Dept had been doing.

If the FBI reports to the Attorney General in May, then she needs time to mull it over. To deal with a conflict of interest, she'll try to finds an outside person to look it over and make a recommendation. She'll probably start to delegate that around the time the election takes place.

The GOP can howl but I don't think they can do anything to force due process excessively.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
21. I don't think the IG reports have anything to do with the FBI
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 01:45 AM
Mar 2016

investigation of the private server.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. I am not going to bother to explain the technicals of this
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016

but it is not that simple.

As to that... it might, or might not happen... after all I am increasingly convinced we have crossed a major marker on the way to impunity and corruption... and this is just one minor symptom of it.

By the way, I really do not expect you to get it either... what I just said, and the big picture.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
10. I am dense and do not understand the nuances of
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:36 AM
Mar 2016

legal considerations based on made up shit, but isn't that what happens almost every day somewhere in Americas jurisprudence system.......?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. Alas it is not made up shit
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:39 AM
Mar 2016

but you are too dense, unless you have ever handled intel.

Or know enough to know why this is not made up shit.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. Not my fault, why I no longer discuss this here
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:52 AM
Mar 2016

for the record, as much as I think the DOJ probably has a case, I doubt it will ever go anywhere. See about corruption and impunity. At this rate, the US will pass Mexico on the way down in a decade or so.

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
23. Arguably, yes.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 10:13 AM
Mar 2016

She signed off on a non-disclosure agreement that included a duty to protect classified information with the consequences in criminal law laid out for her in black and white in that agreement. (the law is the law so they didn't need that agreement but she cannot whine she didn't know the law - particularly when her husband pardoned a CIA Director for being criminally guilty of doing something roughly similar while she was First Lady ). Marines at an embassy are under orders to fight to the death to protect information like this. She knew or should have known that a percentage of the emails can be retroactively classified and that her unsecure home server wasn't the place to safeguard retroactively classified material for four plus years.

Therefore, she was very arguably criminally responsible on that basis but what she really did was worse.

It was Hillary Clinton's duty to oversee that information in the State Department was labeled classified. In other words, whether the information was marked classified or not, it was Hillary's duty to oversee that ALL information was reviewed and assigned a proper disposition as to what level of classification the information was. Some of the 2,100+ classified emails were classified at the time of transmission - and you can get some idea of that from looking at the emails they classified partially with things like "Sudan Intel" email subject headings - kind of gives it away to even dumb folks (foreign information and intelligence about foreign countries is born classified - at the time of creation - not when someone gets around to it).

But the actual facts are (not the BS ones the liar-in-chief is spewing) that in a February press conference, the State Department admitted that they did not dispute the depositions provided by agents of the intelligence Community investigating this who found emails containing information classified at the time of transmission. So this retroactive claim is major cover-her-tracks bullshit - always has been. They have her or her staff dead to rights emailing classified information that was their responsibility not to do. And because they were doing that, her unauthorized, unsecure server was a blatant violation of the law in terms of storing classified information in her home. Deutch pled guilty to working on classified material on a computer at his home. The game is over on that and it's in the public record. Most folks haven't joined the dots because of all of the smoke. It's just another classic Clinton confuse and deceive media operation - a pretty successful one because they've got most folks heads spinning on the issue.

What will probably happen is they will not be able to get to the bottom of it before the election (through stall tactics) and then Obama will probably pardon her before she is convicted like Bill Clinton did for Deutch on his way out of the Oval office. Impeachment of her will be much tougher without the conviction. The one thing they did do to Deutch was strip him of his ability to see classified information. That could be a real problem for someone in the Oval office ...

The bad news is that I'm not saying anything the Republicans don't know. Their FOIA lawsuits will get them additional info to deal with it in the court of public opinion during the election. They may call hearings because of what is going on the minute the FBI wraps up their part. She'll be on the campaign trail while maybe her staff pleads the fifth for those hearings.

So she's not going to get away clean. They'll dirty her up as much as they can. And they have good quality dirt to throw at her.

But the bad one to me is the Clinton Foundation. She may be as innocent as Mother Teresa. But the circumstantial evidence on that looks really bad. And I don't think she'll be able to clear herself of that without the completion of an investigation. It's hurtful innuendo that can and probably will hurt her in the polls.

So she stored classified information at home and is guilty of a misdemeanor. So what. That really isn't such a big deal compared to Bush-Cheney war crimes. The big deal is what can be done with this to hurt a candidate for president. That's always been the issue. I think the GOP are playing possum, biding their time so that all this crap comes at her once she has the nomination.

That has been a key problem with her candidacy all along. She has a closet full of scandals that will get resurrected to remind folks or educate those who did not know. And they'll have the juicy current scandals. The one thing the GOP have been pretty good at during elections is effectively smearing people to win elections. Her dishonesty about Bernie's positions is a lower level of that so maybe what goes around comes around. To me, these scandals kind of hand the GOP Hillary's head on a platter. Ask John Kerry. I guess all we can hope for is they have pictures of Donald Trump having sex with animals or something.

I also think this is going to be the dirtiest election in US history.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
16. They were talking about the shit show over at the GOP.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:47 AM
Mar 2016

The FBI investigation is only popular here in GDP. No one cares about the emails. Not even Bernie.

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