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brooklynite

(94,600 posts)
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:48 PM Mar 2016

538: Why Clinton Won Ohio After Losing Michigan

Exit poll results are coming back and telling us a bit more about why Clinton won in Ohio and not in Michigan — her victory can be boiled down to her performance with white voters, older voters, and voters who are concerned about trade issues.

In Michigan, Sanders won white voters, but in Ohio, Clinton won them, 51 percent to 48 percent, and that seems to have made a difference. Her support with black voters in the state also remained strong — she won them 68 percent to 30 percent — but that was less an overwhelming win of the demographic than her record in other states.

It’s well-known that Sanders performs well with young people — there were fewer youths (ah, the youths) in Ohio. Sixty-two percent of Ohio’s electorate was 45 and older.

The last leg of the Clinton victory triangle is that she won on the all-important-in-the-Rust Belt trade question: Voters who said trade with other countries takes away U.S. jobs supported her, 53 percent to 46 percent. Sanders won that bloc in Michigan, 56 percent to 41 percent. It’s not quite clear what happened in the intervening week — our Andrew Flowers noted during the last Democratic debate that the Vermont senator seemed to be hammering the anti-NAFTA message less than usual, but it might also just be that Michigan was an aberration.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/march-15-primaries-ohio-florida-results-presidential-election-2016/

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538: Why Clinton Won Ohio After Losing Michigan (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2016 OP
Interesting UMTerp01 Mar 2016 #1
I'm still curious how many indies decided to vote in the republican primary for Kasich. Lucky Luciano Mar 2016 #2
I live in a suburb of Cleveland. I thought Hillary would win Ohio for two reasons. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #3
After Bush/Rove, I've had problems with any counts from Ohio. Frustratedlady Mar 2016 #4
You won't believe me... brooklynite Mar 2016 #5
 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
1. Interesting
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:53 PM
Mar 2016

As soon as I saw that the white vote was basically evenly split between Sanders and Clinton with the exit polls, I knew she was going to win Ohio because I knew he was going to continue polling poorly with Black voters.

Lucky Luciano

(11,257 posts)
2. I'm still curious how many indies decided to vote in the republican primary for Kasich.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

Without Kasich, a lot of those indies might have voted in the dem primary. Probably for Bernie - so Kasich took a lot of Bernie's white supporters. Just a theory.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
3. I live in a suburb of Cleveland. I thought Hillary would win Ohio for two reasons.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 11:59 PM
Mar 2016

1) Ohio is more conservative than Michigan.

2) Ohio has done a much better job of diversifying into other areas other than industrial manufacturing than has Michigan.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
4. After Bush/Rove, I've had problems with any counts from Ohio.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:02 AM
Mar 2016

Sorry, fellow Ohio'n DUrs. The count is probably legit, but that left a bad taste in my mouth when they manipulated the numbers. I will always believe that. The image of Bush sitting so confidently before the count came out is etched in my brain.

brooklynite

(94,600 posts)
5. You won't believe me...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:07 AM
Mar 2016

But I know, personally, the Chair of the Ohio Democratic Party.

I know, personally, a Congressman who lost in 2010.

NOBODY in Ohio involved in a political campaign believes that the voting machines have ever been rigged.

And even if you insist it happened, think about how a vote-rigging system developed by the Republicans can be controlled by the Democrats.

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