can we vote first before everyone just gives up. Geez.

we will lose.'

Marco Rubio

and how organized the Republican Party will be after the Convention.

You sound like a Trump supporter.

...a Trump supporter would be happy at the Democratic Party suffering a misfortune and being dragged to the right and further under the influence of corporatists.

Progressives are upset at the idea.

See the difference?

How can he win a GE? There aren't enough people voting for him. It's that simple.
I think it's very unlikely any dem will win in Nov. Neither Hillary or Bernie are bringing voters in.

Especially in closed primary states. Which are the majority.

Bernie is bringing in tons of support... progressive liberal support we actually WANT on our side... which we *could* convince to join and remain in the party if the party showed it deserved it by nominating a real progressive instead of the personification of the bought and paid for status quo.

But a large faction of the party appears to love nothing more than the idea of telling all those voters to fuck off because their preferred candidate doesn't have seniority in their private club.

Look, if he is the nominee, it will be because more democrats voted for him than Hillary. I'm not going to get mad at Bernie or the people who voted for him if he does wind up with the nomination, I quess I just don't understand the anger. The person with the most votes wins, at some point there has to be some self reflection on how that happened.
I supported Hillary in 08. She lost fair and square, I know both sides tried to blame some conspiracy of evil idiots on the winning side for the loss but really I figured more democrats wanted Obama. He ran a better campaign.
I think Bernie can stay in because he sure has enough money and supporters so maybe the tide will turn. If it does then he'll win.

If he is turning out so many votes, why doesn't he have the votes?

Do you understand what closed primaries entail? It means a bunch of voters who will be voting in the GE *aren't allowed to vote* in your freaking primary.

Sanders has huge independent support. Guess who's *not* allowed to vote in closed primaries unless they switch their registration? Which some of them did and some were unwilling to do before the party showed it deserved their membership (which a party with an establishment nearly uniformly favoring Clinton and rigging things in her favor doesn't qualify as) or just didn't realize they had to do in time for the deadline.

So your party ends up making decisions about who it should nominate based on an unrepresentative sample of voters. Which makes for bad decision making if your criteria is electability.


All Of Which I Already Said. So I repeat... reading comprehension.

Mentioned to their supporters to register for the primary?

I'm just going to copy and paste.

Which some of them did and some were unwilling to do before the party showed it deserved their membership (which a party with an establishment nearly uniformly favoring Clinton and rigging things in her favor doesn't qualify as) or just didn't realize they had to do in time for the deadline

If you win big in a MINORITY of the population, but LOSE big (as Hillary does in all the polls) in the other part of the population . .. that means you LOSE.
Bernie wins OK in the Democrats and wins big in the others.
Pretty simple if you give it even a little thought.

we Bernie supporters would happily tout that his support came from liberals while Hillary's support came from moderates and conservatives who voted in our primary but aren't 'real' Democrats.

Ideally you would like to see a Democratic primary candidate winning among the party base - declared Democratic voters - AND among crossover voters. Any candidate in the GE needs to attract independents in order to win but a big turnout from the party base is necessary too. Unfortunately, Trump seems to be the only one right now who seems to be doing that. (Perhaps that is not true since I don't know the breakdown of his support from 'real' republicans vs from crossover Democrats and independents.)

I think Bernie is better for our party and our country but I acknowledge the appeal that Hillary is demonstrating with our base. Nor do I believe that she is 'republican-lite' just because I prefer someone else. I agree with Bernie about 98% of the time and with Hillary maybe 90% of the time. Cruz comes in at 0%, Trump 1% (maybe - it seems like he once said something I agreed with though I can't remember what right now ) and Kasich maybe 2%. I prefer my 98% candidate over my 90% one but they both beat the 0%, 1% and 2% boys by a huuuuuuge margin.

They want a working economy - it works for them as much as for the middle and lower classes. I agree with you. I think she will lose. I will vote Green. Each of us has to pick our poison. I choose Greens over democrats.

suffer for the next 20+ years with everyone else. Their consolation? They get to tell Democrats, "I told you so, neener, neener".

I'm sorry. I've been hugely disappoint in our country since Reagan. Do you think seeing it decline even further will make me that much unhappier? I've been active and observant. Nothing new for me. Perhaps for you? No, I will endure more evil and when it gets bad enough, perhaps you will join me in finally making a change.

Es posible?

I'll not join you in regret. I choose to act via my vote against a re-Scaliafied Supreme Court.

I refuse to think about that possibility unless/until there is no other option.

I hope Bernie stands tall all the way.

He speaks truth to the power.

I am proud to walk the earth at the same time as this man.

He is up there. Way up there. Ghandi up there. Mandela up there. MLK up there. FDR up there. Lincoln up there.

He is the embodiment of a well principled man.

I hope fathers point Benie to their sons and say:

There is a man among men. Emulate him and you will live a life well lived.

I would change the son to their children. I want my daughters to see an example of a truly great individual and leader.

I made an OP out of it in the Bernie Group.

She will have a hard time just as Obama has had if she wins the Presidency.

She is also a silent homophobe who doesn't deserve any power,

and furthermore she is a follower, not a leader -and I don't trust the people she follows.

Bernie is the only one who generates the kind of excitement you need for that.

I hope it's the beginning of a new trend here on Democratic Underground. Unity not fracture and hate.

We gotta big job to do.

Are you a sock or troll?

primary votes, so far. But - they were there for Bernie. Not the Democratic Party.
So, I wouldn't count on them in November, if Hillary is the nominee.
Just sayin'.

only operate from a position of nasty hate.

By about everyone that doesn't already like her.
Its not from us trashing her, its from years of the echo chamber on the right.
Plus she comes off as feeling entitled for the job and people I know are tired of dynastic names in politics.

Every time they pick an uninspiring dullard we lose.
Just ask President Gore and President Kerry

Forgive me for not saying dull or boring or uninspiring.
Now go away.

This happens when the Sperm enters the Egg

You really are good at this.

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I've been practicing singing in the shower for decades and I still don't sound like Freddy Mercury.

But I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night

We stayed at Howard Johnsons.

It was all good until his wife screamed and they called the cops.

What will Clinton do if he runs to her left on TPP and taxing the rich?

I called the campaign today and offered to volunteer. WE need to take this for our country.