2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumInteresting to see how the Hillary crowd is all of a sudden
politely posting to the Bernie crowd. Problem is that most of them have been banned from the Hill site and can not reply.
So much for furthering our discussion and attempting to come to any resolutions about what the Democratic agenda should look like come November.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)and that is too bad.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Don't know why you need the Hillary Group.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)randr
(12,412 posts)do in fact mirror the public discussion at large. Many of us here are rather active in local and national politics and find the views expressed here important indicators of general public sentiment.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)My caucus went for Bernie by a 3-1 margin, but when they were asked if they would support the Democratic nominee no matter who it was, the entire crowd roared its approval.
DU is in no way representative of Democrats in general.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)is that the anti-Hillary sentiment is actually more profound and deeper--beyond DU.
DU has a jury system, unlike most online messageboards and comment sections. I do like that a system keeps Republicans trolls away and people who attack on a personal level. However, the jury system on DU is used by many who simply don't like the opinion being expressed. Most of the juries that I sit on (about 90 percent) are "tattle tale" alerts because the alerter simply didn't share the expressed opinion.
In effect, sharp arguments get smoothed over and sanitized, to avoid alerts. Posters in real life (and elsewhere online) aren't afraid to express their voting intentions either--as many are on DU. And DU is for Democrats who are wholeheartedly supporting the nominee, so the rules make perfect sense. However, true sentiment (and the extent of that sentiment) is often hidden, as a result.
The civility between Hillary and Bernie supporters on DU, is as good as it gets, I'm afraid.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I guess I'm lucky to be able to say the civility in my liberal area is a hell of a lot better than it is at DU. We laugh at RW CTs in real life though- that may be the difference.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)the demographics do not mirror themselves. I doubt the discussion does either.
Use DU as a measure of more left-leaning Democrats but not as an overall indicator.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)And frankly, like some of the other online forums, is the extremist / socialist / anarchist groups in Seattle. Never seen Democrats like this in real life - not in 38 years.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and no matter how people tried to explain that DU was more like NH than the country, the delusion persisted.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)matter at all what is said here. Some of you have decided forum wars equals real life,but it's far from it.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)I'm not sure who is or will be left for them to talk to but it is important that it be civil conversation.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)The TOS says you will support the Democratic nominee or leave.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...to rub your noses in it. Tit-for-tat...
peace13
(11,076 posts)That fight we had last night, can't we forget about it and start over. You still sound angry.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)noamnety
(20,234 posts)I thought we had our choice of supporting the democratic nominee, or holding our tongues on that race until GE is over.
peace13
(11,076 posts)...things should be fine.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)you can vote for whoever you want and you can continue to post on du even if you don't vote for the nom. you just cant put comments or threads trashing the nominee. and of course you can continue posting on other subjects and in other forums. some people stay in the lounge or gd.
and you might not want to advertise who you voted for.
but the idea that you have to leave du if you dont support the nominee is complete bullshit designed to make this the hillaryu
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Primaries will be over so there in no need for GDP. Please read the TOS
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)people are free to discuss subjects other than the presidential race, no matter who they vote for as long as they keep that information private.
please don't spread misinformation.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)And that isn't what he said.
Your words are not prophecy. You can't even unify a message board that was 80/20 Hillary a year ago - what makes you think you will unite a nation?
Trump is not the nominee yet. Neither is Hillary. Media prognosticators are frequently wrong. And so are pollsters.
oasis
(49,390 posts)Gamecock Lefty
(700 posts)Im rather indifferent towards them. This is war and were going to squash this revolt of the peasants!!!
By the way, Ive been banned from replying to quite a few Bernie threads, too. Very odd seeing as how Im such a nice guy!
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)So you won't expect the peasants to support your Queen?
peace13
(11,076 posts)I think that is the big difference between the Dem candidates and their supporters. I myself am sick and tired of war and using the word war to define political discussion is very disturbing to me. It's all a big war here in the US. If we aren't fighting each other we're fighting other countries. I would say the definition of a Bernie supporter is someone who is tired of war of any kind and is ready to heal this country up from the inside out. Unfortunately those who feed off of war and separation and privilege are totally threatened by that.
Edited to add that while our avatars are the same the poster above is not me! : )
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)being Green Party members and Naderites and only registered as a Democrat to vote for the Socialist who registered as a Democrat to run under the Democratic Party banner for media attention and $$s, won't. So no loss there.
As they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make'im drink, right?
pinebox
(5,761 posts)You're joking, right?
Tell me you're being sarcastic otherwise you and I are going to have a discussion.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)dana_b
(11,546 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)A quick perusal of a whole bunch of threads makes it clear that a good-sized contingent prefer to gloat, condescend, and ridicule in what sure seems like a deliberate effort to alienate Bernie supporters to the point of saying "fuck you" to Hillary in November.
And it's working...
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Need me to explain that?
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)I know, it's hard.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The kindness has to be plausibly genuine, though. I've read far too many of your posts to believe that for a moment.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Odd, given the amount of practice at condescension you've had, but not everyone's cut out for that sort of thing. I'm sure you have talents in some area.
I don't claim to know you in any way beyond what your posts show, nor would I ever be likely to desire to. As I said, I've read enough to know all I really need to. And I'm pretty selective...
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Yep, that's me: sweetness and light.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)Many of us have been. It was illegal on the Sanders site to post anything that even slightly and politely questioned Bernie's inevitability. it was illegal to point out errors in logic, or statements that were not factual. Get of your high horse and rejoin us on common ground.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Nitram
(22,822 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Just felt like being snarky. It's what all the cool kids are doing this morning...
Nitram
(22,822 posts)Tanuki
(14,919 posts)see for yourself. I thought it was pretty innocuous:
"Has Mannie Garcia endorsed anyone yet?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannie_Garcia"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128091802#post2
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"Automated Message
Automated Message: You have been blocked from a group
Mail Message
You have been blocked from posting in the Bernie Sanders group by smokey nj. If you believe this is an error, you may contact smokey nj for more information. "
Nitram
(22,822 posts)DU kept trying to change "Tanuki" to "Tank"
Tanuki
(14,919 posts)but a tank might be a little more difficult!
Nitram
(22,822 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)My one and only post in the Sanders Group. Was banned minutes after making it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069099
peace13
(11,076 posts)Every comment outside of the Bernie group has to be a measured one. Don't expect content or rebuttal to your comments. It's just not worth the pain. Consider yourself fortunate that your experience was limited to Bernie's group.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Nitram
(22,822 posts)Bernie supporters get 200+ recs on DU when they post. You take the truth as a goad. Try to work on a more balanced view of reality.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Bernie Sanders group:
948 subscribers
292 blocked members
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Hillary Clinton group:
361 subscribers
724 blocked members
Based on the above, it's obvious who's interested in finding common ground, and who isn't.
ismnotwasm
(41,991 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:23 PM - Edit history (1)
Besides finding "common ground". One is that the Hillary group has been around a lot longer than the Sanders group. Another has to do with math and numbers that are a bit more involved. Another has to to with the reasons people are blocked from protected groups.
As a for instance.
bvf
(6,604 posts)fail.
Not even one good try in the bunch. You'd be better off learning how to spell your candidate's name.
Why don't you think so? And I'll correct my typo.
bvf
(6,604 posts)You're hand-waving.
Glad I could help you learn how to spell your candidate's name, however. A decent person would have said "thanks" without having to be reminded.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)That might be a clue.
How old is the Bernie group? How many members have joined, stayed a few years and then left? Perhaps Clinton supporters are just plain more adult and nicely mannered than Bernie supporters. That's been my experience. Better sense of humor too! Obviously I'm biased...
Perhaps Clinton supporters are just plain more adult and nicely mannered than Bernie supporters.
You follow up that title with this?
Now there's a laugh. I won't link to the cesspool we both know about, but there's your answer, right there.
I don't speak for anyone but myself. Deal with it.
Oh, and the numbers speak for themselves as well.
peace13
(11,076 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Just look at the names, some really well known ones have been blocked.
Last edited Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:53 PM - Edit history (1)
Go ahead.
You have nothing to worry about.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)MorningFrog is one. A bunch stand out but I guarantee if I name without checking on my computer you'll dismiss it. Generally if you are a Sanders supporter against the nastiness you are blocked.
bvf
(6,604 posts)I've been on nothing but for at least six months.
Link or slink, pal--no lame excuses.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I'll name more if you can wait for me to get on my computer.
I have PMs from fellow Sanders supporters who got blocked for disagreeing with trolls. I myself got banned for disavowing a banned troll who called out a fellow DUer and I have the PMs from the head host to prove it.
Ooh, and let's get one thing straight, I myself am a good Sanders supporter, so I know first hand how ethical supporters get treated online. Backing BLM, John Lewis, Planned Parenthood, Heurta, in the face of utter dreack.
The real litmus test is how many Clinton supporters were banned from their group, doubt you can think of one (and I would even wager that said ban would be lifted if it was protested, unlike mine which the lead host said she wasn't overturning even after admitting they would've locked the banned trolls thread).
bvf
(6,604 posts)MorningFrog is not blocked. You're 0 for 1.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Which you're not counting.
Oh, I meant morningfog not Frog. There's no good faith here. If you even cared to explore my complaint you should've caught that.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/~morningfog
Look at that horrible Sanders hater.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Once is enough.
Btw, is that your answer every time someone catches you "mis-speaking"? They should have known what you meant?
Okey dokey, then.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I try not to engage this crap.
The key is I took a stand. You just used an insinuation, no facts, assumptions.
I post a fact that the Sanders group bans Sanders supporters, and you go back to insinuation mode. This is the exact argument style used by creationists or climate change denialist.
Humans are fallible, I literally get one fucking letter wrong and you pull this crap. Give me a break.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Yeah, you should get a break for that, too, I suppose.
If nothing else, you should be apologizing to MorningFrog for dragging him/her into this.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)longship got blocked for disavowing ToS violations.
Can you name even one Clinton supporter blocked from that group?
bvf
(6,604 posts)and I have better things to do than look through well over 700 fucking journal pages!
GMAFB.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...while pretending to be "better" than the Clinton group owe us one.
If MorningFrog wants an apology for typing a name on my phone wrong (off by one letter) I'll gladly apologize to them. But not to people who won't accept that that group eats Sanders supporters that they don't agree with.
bvf
(6,604 posts)something that any grown-up would offer simply because it was the mature thing to do?
That says plenty about you, IMO, and explains more than you probably realize.
I'm not even going to bother asking what your last sentence was supposed to mean.
brer cat
(24,578 posts)and explains more than you probably realize.
bvf
(6,604 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Minus the ones who have called me sexist, racist, anti-Semitic, etc.
I like many Sanders supporters here and share much of their ideology.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I still sense smug underneath their phony smiles.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)I don't know if I will be able to stand with them any longer.
I am sick of voting for people that I don't like and still being treated like shit afterwards (from the actual politicians I vote for AND their supporters). They really, really, REALLY don't like me.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I'm just a normal guy. Maybe I did grow up in a special neighborhood that was the polar opposite of being in Alabama, but I would have never called myself a progressive.
Well, thanks to this election, not only do I know who I am, but now I know who all of the other progressives are. It's great, if not disappointing.
We've made big progress just on this one point, in this election.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Ditto in reverse. The candidates' sites are for the candidates' supporters. People also get banned from Sander's site. There needs to be one place where supporters of a candidate can go and feel free to discuss whatever they wish, without constantly having to defend their candidate and themselves from attacks. GDP is for everyone.
randr
(12,412 posts)No bashing intended or indicated.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)marew
(1,588 posts)I was immediately banned for something so very mild.
I was stunned and the Hillary people have trashed me viciously ever since!
They have made sure that I will never vote for Hillary ever under any circumstances. I've been cursed at, called names, told I'm stupid (full Fellowship to grad school, graduated with honors), told to get off DU, told I'm not are real Democrat, and on and on. I have never said anything nearly as bad as I've received but if anyone says anything about Hillary that is true and even slightly negative, watch out.
One Hillary supporter wrote that this person outside of DU in some article saying something negative about Hillary and called that person a right wing hack. I researched the guy. Turns out he was a speech writer for Robert F. Kennedy but Hillary supporters insist he is a right wing hack! So now I am sure that anyone who worked with the the Kennedys or any member of the Kennedy family, living or dead, is also a right wing hack by association! That is exactly how they work! I truly like and respect the Kennedy family so I am sure in Hillary world, I'm a right wing hack also!
You cannot make this stuff up. All sense of reason is gone!
Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Nothing personal.
marew
(1,588 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Yay corporatism!!
demwing
(16,916 posts)they support a corrupt liar for president, so I ignore them
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)is thoroughly corrupt and a big chunk of the rank-and-file is totally OK with that.
I saw a quote last night and it's exactly how I feel:
Most Sanders supporters recognize that there is far more daylight between Clintons policies and Sanders than between Clinton and any of the Republicans.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)You and I see a different DU.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)"WE don't need you. We DON'T need you. We don't NEED you. We don't need YOU!"
"What? Huh? Who said that? Whuddya lookin at me for?"
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)forgotten about their existence. Thank you, Skinner
djean111
(14,255 posts)There will be no discussion, really. Maybe "Eat your fucking peas and shut the fuck up. After you vote."
I have just started putting snotty or goading remark makers on ignore. Amazing how quickly the number grows!
GD-P is so much more interesting and informative. And threads get shorter and more informative, too, because there is a strange penchant for childish thread-jacking.