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msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:37 PM Mar 2016

My Gravedancing Thread!!!!!HRC Wins!!!11!!!!

No seriously I'm not going to grave dance. I'm just back from unnamed state where the victory was hard won. I need the toilet and some coffee and then I'm going to call every single Democratic voter I met because we have a chance to retake the Senate. THE SENATE.

And we'd better retake the Senate because we ain't getting those m************ out of the House until the census of 2020.

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My Gravedancing Thread!!!!!HRC Wins!!!11!!!! (Original Post) msanthrope Mar 2016 OP
Unfortunately it will take until 2022 before TexasTowelie Mar 2016 #1
Redistricting will take more than just waiting FBaggins Mar 2016 #4
Yes...downballot work to be done. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #16
But Dems can chip away tho at the GOP house. Iliyah Mar 2016 #6
That turtle. We need to crush that fucker. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #17
Please correct your thread title. FBaggins Mar 2016 #2
Canaries, my friend. Smaller, more tender. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #8
Here's a fiddle. gcomeau Mar 2016 #3
:o) Bucky Mar 2016 #5
Weird and pointless whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #7
My yearbook caption, actually. But THE SENATE is not pointless. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #9
"My yearbook caption"!! LOL! randome Mar 2016 #12
Self-deprecation is an art form. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #13
Love it! Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #10
The downballot. We need to unite on the down ballot. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #11
Who died? Octafish Mar 2016 #14
OMG....that green pocketbook.....must get. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #15
wow.. a picture of women protesting the death of dana_b Mar 2016 #20
Lighten up, Francis. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author dana_b Mar 2016 #29
my name is not Francis dana_b Mar 2016 #30
I know your name isn't Francis. But I'm saddened that obviously, you msanthrope Mar 2016 #42
Wow. nt vintx Mar 2016 #47
Priorities, you know Scootaloo Mar 2016 #27
It's all about the brand, about the Chosen One. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #31
Well, when that's all a candidate has Scootaloo Mar 2016 #33
No no no. The Chosen One is Obama. That's why we were shoved into the BOG, doncha know? nt Hekate Mar 2016 #40
Oh, you're right! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #41
sorry your man lost last night. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #35
I'm sorry Hillary supporters see a vigil for a murdered woman and only notice a handbag Scootaloo Mar 2016 #36
that crap dose not work on me Scoo. stonecutter357 Mar 2016 #37
I know. You don't have to care, so you don't Scootaloo Mar 2016 #38
They do not give a shit. /nt Marr Mar 2016 #32
We give plenty of shits. Which is why we showed up yesterday, in primary after primary. msanthrope Mar 2016 #44
Oh, I know you care about your presidential candidate. Marr Mar 2016 #56
Disgusting. AzDar Mar 2016 #39
Eh....maybe some of us, tired from actually working a primary, aren't impressed msanthrope Mar 2016 #43
Obviously you save your "easily impressed" for your choice of candidate. (nm) Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #53
ouch!! dana_b Mar 2016 #54
Hope for the future. nt bunnies Mar 2016 #22
and Democracy. Octafish Mar 2016 #45
The more I read on this issue the more I feel like a sucker for not turning on this party sooner. nt vintx Mar 2016 #49
don't be hard on yourself dana_b Mar 2016 #55
They literally do not care. They might as well just be praising Kissinger at this point. nt vintx Mar 2016 #46
I'm working on getting Feingold his seat back here!! PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #18
And Tammy Duckworth here in Illinois. greatauntoftriplets Mar 2016 #34
Welcome back my friend! William769 Mar 2016 #19
To the show that never ends, eh? nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #24
You won't be retaking the Senate with Hillary at the top of the ticket. reformist2 Mar 2016 #21
Who is "you?" Why not "we?" nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #25
Thanks for your hard work!!! Beacool Mar 2016 #23
Feet up, flavored the coffee with bourbon.....it's a good day. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #28
So you are associated with Hilary's campaign UglyGreed Mar 2016 #48
No shit. In 2012 Steve Leser interviewed me on Election Night after I worked for the msanthrope Mar 2016 #50
Good to know indeed. I know what to do next. desmiller Mar 2016 #57
We having a little welcome back party in the AA forum to some dear friends that have returned Number23 Mar 2016 #51
Just saw it!!!!! I'm glad it finally dawned on admin that the strongest Black voices on this board msanthrope Mar 2016 #52

TexasTowelie

(112,252 posts)
1. Unfortunately it will take until 2022 before
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:41 PM
Mar 2016

we get them out of the House since redistricting will not occur until after the general election..

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
4. Redistricting will take more than just waiting
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

We'll need to control far more state legislatures and gubernatorial seats leading up to the census.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
6. But Dems can chip away tho at the GOP house.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

Dems can take back the Senate! Would love to see the turtle demoted.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. "My yearbook caption"!! LOL!
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
20. wow.. a picture of women protesting the death of
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:33 PM
Mar 2016

an environmental activist killed by the government that YOUR candidate had a hand in propping up, and all you can think of is the hand bag that one of the women is toting??

Completely gross.

Response to msanthrope (Reply #26)

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
30. my name is not Francis
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:49 PM
Mar 2016

and it just shows me where some Clinton supporters actual thoughts are at. To make light of a murdered woman's protest and find it funny, well, whatever. We have little in common - thankfully.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
42. I know your name isn't Francis. But I'm saddened that obviously, you
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:30 PM
Mar 2016

are not familiar with the works of the great and inestimable Bill Murray.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
44. We give plenty of shits. Which is why we showed up yesterday, in primary after primary.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:38 PM
Mar 2016

Last night I was working a primary. I'm betting the person who posted that picture was not.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
56. Oh, I know you care about your presidential candidate.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:42 PM
Mar 2016

I'm saying you don't care about that slain Honduran activist. If you did, you wouldn't mock that picture or shrug it off as a silly distraction.

Or campaign for Hillary, for that matter.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
43. Eh....maybe some of us, tired from actually working a primary, aren't impressed
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:33 PM
Mar 2016

with people posting on the Internets.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
45. and Democracy.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:58 PM
Mar 2016


Take Chile as an experiment in privatization and austerity.



President Clinton and the Chilean Model.

By José Piñera

Midnight at the House of Good and Evil

"It is 12:30 at night, and Bill Clinton asks me and Dottie: 'What do you know about the Chilean social-security system?'” recounted Richard Lamm, the three-term former governor of Colorado. It was March 1995, and Lamm and his wife were staying that weekend in the Lincoln Bedroom of the White House.

I read about this surprising midnight conversation in an article by Jonathan Alter (Newsweek, May 13, 1996), as I was waiting at Dulles International Airport for a flight to Europe. The article also said that early the next morning, before he left to go jogging, President Bill Clinton arranged for a special report about the Chilean reform produced by his staff to be slipped under Lamm's door.

That news piqued my interest, so as soon as I came back to the United States, I went to visit Richard Lamm. I wanted to know the exact circumstances in which the president of the world’s superpower engages a fellow former governor in a Saturday night exchange about the system I had implemented 15 years earlier.

Lamn and I shared a coffee on the terrace of his house in Denver. He not only was the most genial host to this curious Chilean, but he also proved to be deeply motivated by the issues surrounding aging and the future of America. So we had an engaging conversation. At the conclusion, I ventured to ask him for a copy of the report that Clinton had given him. He agreed to give it to me on the condition that I do not make it public while Clinton was president. He also gave me a copy of the handwritten note on White House stationery, dated 3-21-95, which accompanied the report slipped under his door. It read:

Dick,
Sorry I missed you this morning.
It was great to have you and Dottie here.
Here's the stuff on Chile I mentioned.
Best,
Bill.


Three months before that Clinton-Lamm conversation about the Chilean system, I had a long lunch in Santiago with journalist Joe Klein of Newsweek magazine. A few weeks afterwards, he wrote a compelling article entitled,[font color="green"] "If Chile can do it...couldn´t North America privatize its social-security system?" [/font color]He concluded by stating that "the Chilean system is perhaps the first significant social-policy idea to emanate from the Southern Hemisphere." (Newsweek, December 12, 1994).

I have reasons to think that probably this piece got Clinton’s attention and, given his passion for policy issues, he became a quasi expert on Chile’s Social Security reform. Clinton was familiar with Klein, as the journalist covered the 1992 presidential race and went on anonymously to write the bestseller Primary Colors, a thinly-veiled account of Clinton’s campaign.

“The mother of all reforms”

While studying for a Masters and a Ph.D. in economics at Harvard University, I became enamored with America’s unique experiment in liberty and limited government. In 1835 Alexis de Tocqueville wrote the first volume of Democracy in America hoping that many of the salutary aspects of American society might be exported to his native France. I dreamed with exporting them to my native Chile.

So, upon finishing my Ph.D. in 1974 and while fully enjoying my position as a Teaching Fellow at Harvard University and a professor at Boston University, I took on the most difficult decision in my life: to go back to help my country rebuild its destroyed economy and democracy along the lines of the principles and institutions created in America by the Founding Fathers. Soon after I became Secretary of Labor and Social Security, and in 1980 I was able to create a fully funded system of personal retirement accounts. Historian Niall Ferguson has stated that this reform was “the most profound challenge to the welfare state in a generation. Thatcher and Reagan came later. The backlash against welfare started in Chile.”

But while de Tocqueville’s 1835 treatment contained largely effusive praise of American government, the second volume of Democracy in America, published five years later, strikes a more cautionary tone. He warned that “the American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.” In fact at some point during the 20th century, the culture of self reliance and individual responsibility that had made America a great and free nation was diluted by the creation of [font color="green"] “an Entitlement State,”[/font color] reminiscent of the increasingly failed European welfare state. What America needed was a return to basics, to the founding tenets of limited government and personal responsibility.

[font color="green"]In a way, the principles America helped export so successfully to Chile through a group of free market economists needed to be reaffirmed through an emblematic reform. I felt that the Chilean solution to the impending Social Security crisis could be applied in the USA.[/font color]

CONTINUED...

http://www.josepinera.org/articles/articles_clinton_chilean_model.htm



and Justice.
 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
49. The more I read on this issue the more I feel like a sucker for not turning on this party sooner. nt
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:01 PM
Mar 2016

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
23. Thanks for your hard work!!!
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 03:39 PM
Mar 2016

I hope that you have your feet up and enjoyed your well deserved coffee.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
50. No shit. In 2012 Steve Leser interviewed me on Election Night after I worked for the
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:02 PM
Mar 2016

Obama campaign. Who here didn't know I work for Democrats?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
51. We having a little welcome back party in the AA forum to some dear friends that have returned
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:10 PM
Mar 2016

Please stop in!!!

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
52. Just saw it!!!!! I'm glad it finally dawned on admin that the strongest Black voices on this board
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:15 PM
Mar 2016

were, in fact, being silenced.

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