We know Clinton will carry water for Wall St, support domestic spying, get us in another stupid war, take kickbacks, and subject us to 4-8 more years of scandals and investigations/impeachments. Trump is no worse. I can't see any reason to vote for either.

This is too important. I will do whatever I can to help Bernie. Go Bernie!

Nothing cool about it. Rather sad actually.

for example, and aren't going to do dick about it (or do it incrementally *snort*), it makes no difference.

Then vote for the candidate whose got the best climate change platform for your conscience.

I've heard this at least 100 times from the millennials I know and volunteered with at the Bernie HQ.

And it will be easily measured. She got 0.36% of the vote in 2012. Everything above that in 2016 will be from Sanders supporters. The total will still be well under the 12-15% of conservative Democrats who vote for Trump, but still enough that Clinton won't be able to win any swing states. A good number of Dems simply won't vote for her, she gets only 1/3 of Independants, and nearly nothing of GOP X-over votes. I can't see her winning with the remainder.

If it comes down to HRC and Trump, I think the other parties are going to have a better than average year.

And if it's between Trump the boorish asshole and HRC who ran a racist campaign against Obama and a dishonest one against one of the only genuine authentic do-gooder public servants we've got left, Jill Stein has my vote.

Hillary has very good liberal credentials, but the race has only highlighted her more conservative acts. It would be like highlighting Bernie's support for the stealth bomber, gun rights, and the Minutemen. The fact is that Hillary is supported by civil rights leaders, gay rights leaders, and women's rights leaders, as well as majorities in those groups is a testament to her liberal credentials.

Bernie is great, but Hillary is progress too. In terms of ratings as a Senator, she is actually to the left of Obama.

but not her "liberalism". I'm not sore, and I'm not giving up on Bernie. Clinton and Trump are both nonstarters for me.

Wall St, war, and corruption are now 'Liberal credentials'?

So vote your conscience on climate change. The planet can't wait any longer.

It's the message I hear most from millennials who will pivot to Jill Stein. They aren't Dems anyway and don't believe for one minute HRC is "liberal". They belong to the 43% who are independents.

+1

Maybe in 2004 or 2008, she would have been. Maybe. But in 2016, she's a big step backwards

But she's rich, she's white, she's named clinton, and she's not a Jew. S'all any of her supporters give a shit about

I don't like most of what she supports at all.

that someone who voted for two wars, bailed out banks on the backs of taxpayers, was against equal rights of marriage, and pro death penalty has good liberal credentials?

Maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't understand if she was for all of those things, how that could be "liberal" in any way, so please explain how those things are liberal, so that I may understand you a bit better.

Thanks.

both Trump and Clinton will chose their nominees carefully to preserve the status quo.

SCOTUS picks will be irrelevant in many millennials' minds as climate change will be entering the beginning of the catastrophic phase.

HRC's climate change plan is so inneffectual it's laughable. They want real action. That means voting for either Sanders or Jill Stein.

Besides, the millennials (and plenty of other Bernie supporters of every age) I know believe HRC will pick a corporatist Justice so that doesn't work on them.

Relax, she'll do the right thing.

and if she doesn't change her climate change position dramatically between now and election day (if she's the nominee), "fear" of Trump is irrelevant and they will vote their conscience.

It's like bad performance art out of a high school level.

at not getting the candidate you want. Now, to suggest that voting for such a misogynist racist bigot is no difference, really has me questioning moral compasses around here.

but I reject the meme that not voting for Hillary is a vote for Trump.

Capiche?

But if that's good enough for you...

lot of support within the LGBT community even when she opposed same sex marriage.

As I have tried to explain to Sanders supporters many, many times she actually did get involved in our issues and advocate for us. Sanders never did anything other than vote the right way a few times (as did she).

Joe Solmonese said the other day that he never even met Bernie the entire time he was president of the Human Rights Campaign. I know that is true from my time there. I can assure you the previous president of HRC never met Bernie either. Bernie did not give a shit about us.

African American communities before he ran for President. That speaks volumes.

My belief is that the majority of the country still wants a sane, competent, and qualified president. And that certainly is not Trump. I'm grateful he makes that obvious.

I do think it would have been very hard to go up against him with a socialist though. Hillary will certainly have a better chance of winning than Sanders.

to keep the establishment gravy train on a greased track.

I think it's time we stopped with the innuendo that is never accompanied by any facts whatsoever. Don't you?

That's already clearly laid out in her personal and political history.