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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 01:59 PM Oct 2012

LOL @Gallup

Either they are right or almost every other national and state pollster is wrong. The results are simply irreconcilable. The law of large numbers, the Central Limit Theorem , and Gaussian Distribution suggest they are wrong.

If they aren't wrong from a purely statistical sense they are certainly on the outside of how you would expect polls to perform given the margin of error.

If there are any statisticians here I welcome your input.

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LOL @Gallup (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 OP
Isn't Gallup a multi-day poll? Larkspur Oct 2012 #1
Yeah...It's A Seven Day Tracker DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #2
Obama is down by 2 on registered voters in today's Gallup poll. Jennicut Oct 2012 #9
My Bad. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #10
It's the south. Kos explains here: Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #3
So why isn't Ras showing the same Southern Bump? demwing Oct 2012 #4
Not saying his analysis applies to ALL polls Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #6
The Whole Poll Is FUBAR DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #8
Here's The Problem DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #5
Yes, ultimately they are FOS. Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #7
The only electoral college win in modern times was W's "win" in 2000. Jennicut Oct 2012 #16
Pay no attention to Gish Gallup Blue Owl Oct 2012 #11
It's troubling. woolldog Oct 2012 #12
haha. of course you're worried. you're always worried. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #13
I Wasn't Worried When Gallup Showed Ford Beating Carter And I'm Not Worried Now. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #14
Ohhhhh woolldog Oct 2012 #15
Here DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2012 #17

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
2. Yeah...It's A Seven Day Tracker
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:02 PM
Oct 2012

But there's lots of odd findings. Such as suggesting there is a eight point deficit between registered voters and likley voters where the president is leading by two among the former and trailing by six among the latter.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
9. Obama is down by 2 on registered voters in today's Gallup poll.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:12 PM
Oct 2012

But that is even crazy considering Obama has big leads in RV's in every other poll that measures that. Gallup says Romney's 48% in RV's adds 4 extra points to his LV's. With Obama, he loses one point from LV's. In the Wash Post/ABC poll RV's were Obama 50 and Romney 43.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
10. My Bad.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:21 PM
Oct 2012

If they are right every other pollster is wrong because the others show the narrowest of leads for both candidates.

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
3. It's the south. Kos explains here:
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:04 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/17/1145957/-About-that-Gallup-poll

Romney's entire advantage in this poll comes from a massive lead in the South. Now sure, some of that may be Florida, but the state-level polling certainly doesn't show that. So Romney is driving up big margins in Texas, Alabama, Oklahoma, Mississippi and other such presidentially irrelevant states? Good for him! I'm sure that'll be cold comfort as he loses the states that actually matter in the Midwest and West.
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
4. So why isn't Ras showing the same Southern Bump?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:06 PM
Oct 2012

If the polling is factual, other pollsters should be picking it up as well

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
6. Not saying his analysis applies to ALL polls
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:10 PM
Oct 2012

He's just saying that's what gives Romney the ridiculous +6 in Gallup. No matter what Gallup's LV model has been found wanting. Thay are playing games.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
5. Here's The Problem
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:09 PM
Oct 2012

Looking at Gallup's own crosstabs it's highly likely that President Obama would win the Electoral College while losing the popular vote by six or seven percent. Remember, they haven't assigned the undecideds.

There has never been a gap between the popular vote and the Electoral College vote nearly as large in our nation's history.

Conclusion. The entire model is flawed.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
16. The only electoral college win in modern times was W's "win" in 2000.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:50 PM
Oct 2012

And that popular vote was extremely close. 47.9% to 48.4%
Gallup's #'s with Obama winning the electoral college are not mathematically possible. Which means their #'s in the East, Midwest and West are wrong and all state polls are wrong. Which is laughable.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
14. I Wasn't Worried When Gallup Showed Ford Beating Carter And I'm Not Worried Now.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:40 PM
Oct 2012

I am just flummoxed that as large as institution as they are with the concomitant resources available to it can be so incompetent.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
17. Here
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:51 PM
Oct 2012
http://www.gallup.com/poll/23995/Gerald-Ford-Retrospective.aspx#1


In the final pre-election poll, Gallup's numbers indicated a statistical dead heat among likely voters, with Ford at 49% and Carter 48% (the unallocated numbers had Ford at 47% and Carter at 46%). The actual outcome was 50% for Carter and 48% for Ford.


Shouldn't they have just said our super duper poll suggested Ford would win by 1% and he lost by 2% thus indicating we were off by 3% and predicted the wrong winner.

They also had Bush beating Gore in the pop vote 48%-46%

(They weaseled out of that great prediction by saying they picked the right eventual winner. I don't remember their poll claiming to predict the Electoral College winner)

And in 010 they showed the Republicans having a 15% generic ballot advantage. Their actual advantage was 6.4%. That's a 250% difference....
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