2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumStick a Fork in Bernie. Plus Trump Can Win Outright in the Primary Season. It May Even be Likely.
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http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2016/03/march-8-post-mortem-trump-and-clinton.html
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)tgards79
(1,415 posts)There is simply no chance Bernie can win. Do you really think he can win 62% of the remaining delegates, excluding the superdelegates? That's better than he did in New Hampshire. If you don't believe me, do the numbers yourself.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)And yes, I think he can do that.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)What happened to that fork back then?
riversedge
(70,242 posts)..... THE DEMOCRATS
Hillary Clinton did what she had to do. Bernie Sanders pulled off a moral victory in Michigan last week that made the pollsters (and me) look silly, so naturally his camp hoped that he could ride that to new heights in similar Midwestern states. Not happening. Hillary Clinton did what she had to do, not only crushing it in Florida, North Carolina as expected, but also winning Ohio rather easily, eking out a win in Illinois, and is ahead by 0.2 points in Missouri as I write this. In other words, there is a real chance that she swept all five states.
What more does she need to do? At this juncture, Bernie Sanders should drop out, endorse Clinton and seek to unify the party. He would need to win 62% of the remaining delegates to beat her, that is, by a margin that exceeded that of his New Hampshire win. That is obviously impossible.
I find it unlikely that Bernie will do that, but he should. He and his passionate admirers are dreaming the impossible dream now. But it is truly over.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Congratulations on a hard fought victory. The election season now belongs to Hillary and her supporters.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)"What more does she need to do? At this juncture, Bernie Sanders should drop out, endorse Clinton and seek to unify the party. He would need to win 62% of the remaining delegates to beat her, that is, by a margin that exceeded that of his New Hampshire win. That is obviously impossible."
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... New Hampshire size blowouts in order to win the nomination??
Impossible! Never gonna happen.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)What many here are not thinking about, of course, is the many millions of rabid supporters he has (rabid meant in a positive way here) who will be very pissed when he loses, if he does.
The true patriot and politician Bernie is he will figure out the best way to do this so his supporters stay engaged in the election.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I think it is the proper thing to do for one. Two, a convention that involves Sanders conceding and endorsing, followed by E W endorsing, followed by Clinton accepting, will be a thing of beauty and will bring many together. All while the republican convention goes up in flames.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)maximizes his huge following into doing what he surely will do, support Hillary.
He is the real deal, has been all along.
Your posts , those that I have read, are a good example of how we can all get along.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Ain't gonna happen. He will "have" to endorse her if he loses. Doesn't mean he thinks it's the right choice. I'm sure there will be more poll visiting by the Clinton's in the future. Cheating is what it's called. We don't have to support the ones who cheated us. Just because you guys can't see through her doesn't mean we all have to go off the cliff after you.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)About malevolent feelings of violence directed his way
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Did they edit?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)He has 851 delegates and she has 1606 (per AP).
So, there are 2308 available. He needs 66.4% of the remaining available delegates to win and she needs 33.7%.
Let's go crazy and suggest that Tad Devine can get half of Hillary's supers to switch sides. Unrealistic but let's go with it. He'd still need 56.2% of the remaining delegates.
There is no probable path that allows him to get 56.2% and certainly none that has him getting 66.4% (which is more realistic).
There is no way to "catch" Clinton with pledged delegates unless she eats a puppy on live television and praises Satan.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)It is quite doable, considering we have left the red deep south and are now moving to bluer states
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)57% assumes he gets half of her supers to move over. Not going to happen.
Either of those assumptions. He would need massive victories in large states and that's not happening per the polls or momentum.
Then, saying he did get some massive victories, he would have to assume that 200 plus supers switch sides. That definitely won't happen.
So, two very improbable steps for a victory.
It's over. Seriously over.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)View her as untrustworthy, lacking integrity, lacking honor, and only caring about her rich buds in the 1%
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Because the alternative is unthinkable
Those are are options. Sanders being the nominee is not one.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Taking 20billion as a bribe from GWB to sell her vote for the IWR? Unacceptable.
Kissinger as a mentor? Unacceptable.
"We came, we saw, he died" she said LAUGHING, unacceptable.
Hondouras. Unacceptable.
Supporting GMOs & fracking. Unacceptable.
Supporting welfare 'reform'and privitization of prisons. Unacceptable.
I could go on, but why bother. Hillary supporters are willfully blind to her fatal flaws.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Politics is about pragmatism. But, by all means, do nothing and try to feel good about your choices. I'm sure the Nader voters did as well.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)If you are happy about income inequality, citizens united, and the 1% owning almost all media sources and trying to buy the elections to cement their elevated status, well good for you.
I am supporting Bernie Sanders and trying to level the playing field for we, the people.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)I'm sure you can spend your life defending your principled decision.
It'll be difficult given the damage President Trump will do, but I'm sure you can deal with the cognitive dissonance. Like my one friend who still admits he voted for Nader...in Florida. He gets red faced and shakes a bit when it is pointed out that he helped give us Bush but he does end the conversation with an angry tirade about principles. Usually people get very quiet and look at him with pity, but he gets his point across. It does tend to ruin his evening but such was his choice.
I'm sure you will be just fine with your principled decision. Yep. Just fine.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)She admitted it in the last town hall. $20b for New York was more important than the lives damaged and lost in the Iraq war to her apparently.
But we actually don't have history to tell us what Trump would actually do.
Hill would be a neocon disaster (see Hondouras, Libya, Iraq, Syria) but her good buddy Trump? Who knows?
All of which is why I am working to get the one TRUE progressive elected, Bernie.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)And she eats puppies and hates old people.
Whatever you tell yourself to keep the dissonance down...carry on.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Same old argle bargle
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)For either
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Vey
brooklynite
(94,599 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)LOL
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Fuck Trump.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)So he's not going to concede anything up until then.
And Real Clear Politics still has this to say about the delegates. It's a very tough road but NOT impossible for Bernie.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511507626
So it looks like you are all stuck with us and Bernie through the end of July!! Whoopeee!!!
thereismore
(13,326 posts)Oh, and you just earned the distinction of being on my ignore list for lack of civility and rational thinking.
tgards79
(1,415 posts)To whom are you directing this? I want to make sure I'm clear on this before I decide whether to respond. Is it to the original poster or to one of the commenters?
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)She has sold her heart and soul to Wall Street.
HC is not worthy of my vote.
JudyM
(29,251 posts)(not as to your last line, but to what you pointed out above it.)
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)He needs to do what he thinks is best for his campaign.
OhioBlue
(5,126 posts)The media coverage is already so skewed toward the Republicans, it will just multiply if we don't have a primary race to cover. Plus, the longer he stays in, the longer the progressive platform has a voice.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Now and in the end she wil be Berned toast
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It's probably why Bernie lost this super Tuesday... Many people I know were turned off by that vitriol of BS supporters and ran the other way. I promise, it's true.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)tgards79
(1,415 posts)...what do you find objectionable. Do you think Bernie has a chance? I'm open to hearing your reasoning.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Old times. Good times. Cheers!
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)oh, what a night
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)to line up now? Truly an ugly post.