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Stick a Fork in Bernie. Plus Trump Can Win Outright in the Primary Season. It May Even be Likely. (Original Post) tgards79 Mar 2016 OP
I could care less what this guy says bkkyosemite Mar 2016 #1
You're in denial. tgards79 Mar 2016 #4
57.5 actually. bobbobbins01 Mar 2016 #37
He was supposed to be done after Iowa. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #48
"dreaming the impossible dream now. But it is truly over." riversedge Mar 2016 #2
Understood. You won, we lost. Still In Wisconsin Mar 2016 #19
Exactly MaggieD Mar 2016 #3
So for the rest of the primaries, he'd need them ALL to be... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #22
Bernie has to be careful how and when he concedes, if he does. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #5
I truly feel he can do nothing short of concede at the convention. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #11
Be certain of one thing, Bernie will do the patriotic thing and will time it so he Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #12
LOL! Politicalboi Mar 2016 #54
Your use of that turn of phrase is revealing JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #6
What? Where are the "malevolent feelings of violence"? NCTraveler Mar 2016 #9
It's not a literal phrase, just a stupid one. (nm) Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #17
I know it is just a turn of phrase, but it is telling that one would use it. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #18
We'll see where Bernie is in June. My bet is he is going to catch Clinton in pledged delegates. peacebird Mar 2016 #7
How? Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #23
You are including supers with pledged. Bernie needs 57% in contests moving forward. peacebird Mar 2016 #24
I did both Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #25
Over for Hillary, yes. She cannot win in the general. Too many Rs, and Ds p, and Inds hate her peacebird Mar 2016 #26
I'm sure we all will fight like crazy for her in the GE Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #27
I will never vote for Hillary. Sorry, her actions make her totally unacceptable. peacebird Mar 2016 #29
You have two real choices in this system Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #30
As I said, I will write in Bernie. I will never again vote for the slightly lesser of two evils. peacebird Mar 2016 #31
Sleep well. Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #33
I will. Because we know Hill is a lying neocon corporatist who sold her vote on the IWR for $20b peacebird Mar 2016 #34
Yeah, yeah Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #35
Did you actually read my post, or simply disparage because I don't support Hiils? peacebird Mar 2016 #36
I did Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #39
Very Scalia of you. Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #55
StuckintheBush must really want GWB back, or were you hoping for Jeb! Hill will be a FINE sub peacebird Mar 2016 #38
Oy Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #40
So, when Bernie endorses her, that'll be weird... brooklynite Mar 2016 #47
"Red deep south states" like Nevada, Iowa, Ohio, Massachusetts, Illinois, and Missouri DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #28
Ready. Bring it Trump. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #8
Bernie is in it until the convention dana_b Mar 2016 #10
Look, a newbie is telling me what to think, and all he has is a link. Not going there. thereismore Mar 2016 #13
Hmmm... tgards79 Mar 2016 #21
Hillary already has a fork in her. avaistheone1 Mar 2016 #14
oooh. thread win. JudyM Mar 2016 #41
Everyone sees it but denial makes some people see it differently. n/t cosmicone Mar 2016 #15
I am in no hurry to see Bernie go.. fun n serious Mar 2016 #16
I think it is best for everyone that he continues OhioBlue Mar 2016 #50
Yep. nt fun n serious Mar 2016 #52
Clinton is toast Old Codger Mar 2016 #20
You don't have t o get ugly. fun n serious Mar 2016 #53
I find your urge to engage in apparent cannibalism disturbing. phleshdef Mar 2016 #32
stick a fork in you. you're done. welcome to ignore. Hiraeth Mar 2016 #42
I'm curious... tgards79 Mar 2016 #43
LOL, no way trump will be the nominee. Bookmark this! nt Logical Mar 2016 #44
Notice how no worries about 5 hide is causing even more rudeness? nt Logical Mar 2016 #45
Like Destiny? Octafish Mar 2016 #46
Many Many Thanks SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #51
I thought we were supposed to stop the ugliness. Or is it just Bernie supporters that are supposed Live and Learn Mar 2016 #49

tgards79

(1,415 posts)
4. You're in denial.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:13 PM
Mar 2016

There is simply no chance Bernie can win. Do you really think he can win 62% of the remaining delegates, excluding the superdelegates? That's better than he did in New Hampshire. If you don't believe me, do the numbers yourself.

riversedge

(70,242 posts)
2. "dreaming the impossible dream now. But it is truly over."
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:11 PM
Mar 2016




..... THE DEMOCRATS

Hillary Clinton did what she had to do. Bernie Sanders pulled off a moral victory in Michigan last week that made the pollsters (and me) look silly, so naturally his camp hoped that he could ride that to new heights in similar Midwestern states. Not happening. Hillary Clinton did what she had to do, not only crushing it in Florida, North Carolina as expected, but also winning Ohio rather easily, eking out a win in Illinois, and is ahead by 0.2 points in Missouri as I write this. In other words, there is a real chance that she swept all five states.

What more does she need to do? At this juncture, Bernie Sanders should drop out, endorse Clinton and seek to unify the party. He would need to win 62% of the remaining delegates to beat her, that is, by a margin that exceeded that of his New Hampshire win. That is obviously impossible.

I find it unlikely that Bernie will do that, but he should. He and his passionate admirers are dreaming the impossible dream now. But it is truly over.
 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
19. Understood. You won, we lost.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:41 PM
Mar 2016

Congratulations on a hard fought victory. The election season now belongs to Hillary and her supporters.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
3. Exactly
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:13 PM
Mar 2016

"What more does she need to do? At this juncture, Bernie Sanders should drop out, endorse Clinton and seek to unify the party. He would need to win 62% of the remaining delegates to beat her, that is, by a margin that exceeded that of his New Hampshire win. That is obviously impossible."



NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
22. So for the rest of the primaries, he'd need them ALL to be...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:23 PM
Mar 2016

... New Hampshire size blowouts in order to win the nomination??

Impossible! Never gonna happen.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
5. Bernie has to be careful how and when he concedes, if he does.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:13 PM
Mar 2016

What many here are not thinking about, of course, is the many millions of rabid supporters he has (rabid meant in a positive way here) who will be very pissed when he loses, if he does.

The true patriot and politician Bernie is he will figure out the best way to do this so his supporters stay engaged in the election.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. I truly feel he can do nothing short of concede at the convention.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:27 PM
Mar 2016

I think it is the proper thing to do for one. Two, a convention that involves Sanders conceding and endorsing, followed by E W endorsing, followed by Clinton accepting, will be a thing of beauty and will bring many together. All while the republican convention goes up in flames.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
12. Be certain of one thing, Bernie will do the patriotic thing and will time it so he
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:28 PM
Mar 2016

maximizes his huge following into doing what he surely will do, support Hillary.

He is the real deal, has been all along.

Your posts , those that I have read, are a good example of how we can all get along.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
54. LOL!
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:55 PM
Mar 2016

Ain't gonna happen. He will "have" to endorse her if he loses. Doesn't mean he thinks it's the right choice. I'm sure there will be more poll visiting by the Clinton's in the future. Cheating is what it's called. We don't have to support the ones who cheated us. Just because you guys can't see through her doesn't mean we all have to go off the cliff after you.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
23. How?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:39 PM
Mar 2016

He has 851 delegates and she has 1606 (per AP).

So, there are 2308 available. He needs 66.4% of the remaining available delegates to win and she needs 33.7%.

Let's go crazy and suggest that Tad Devine can get half of Hillary's supers to switch sides. Unrealistic but let's go with it. He'd still need 56.2% of the remaining delegates.

There is no probable path that allows him to get 56.2% and certainly none that has him getting 66.4% (which is more realistic).

There is no way to "catch" Clinton with pledged delegates unless she eats a puppy on live television and praises Satan.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
24. You are including supers with pledged. Bernie needs 57% in contests moving forward.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:48 PM
Mar 2016

It is quite doable, considering we have left the red deep south and are now moving to bluer states

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
25. I did both
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:50 PM
Mar 2016

57% assumes he gets half of her supers to move over. Not going to happen.

Either of those assumptions. He would need massive victories in large states and that's not happening per the polls or momentum.

Then, saying he did get some massive victories, he would have to assume that 200 plus supers switch sides. That definitely won't happen.

So, two very improbable steps for a victory.

It's over. Seriously over.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
26. Over for Hillary, yes. She cannot win in the general. Too many Rs, and Ds p, and Inds hate her
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:39 PM
Mar 2016

View her as untrustworthy, lacking integrity, lacking honor, and only caring about her rich buds in the 1%

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
27. I'm sure we all will fight like crazy for her in the GE
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:43 PM
Mar 2016

Because the alternative is unthinkable

Those are are options. Sanders being the nominee is not one.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
29. I will never vote for Hillary. Sorry, her actions make her totally unacceptable.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:54 PM
Mar 2016

Taking 20billion as a bribe from GWB to sell her vote for the IWR? Unacceptable.
Kissinger as a mentor? Unacceptable.
"We came, we saw, he died" she said LAUGHING, unacceptable.
Hondouras. Unacceptable.
Supporting GMOs & fracking. Unacceptable.
Supporting welfare 'reform'and privitization of prisons. Unacceptable.

I could go on, but why bother. Hillary supporters are willfully blind to her fatal flaws.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
30. You have two real choices in this system
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

Politics is about pragmatism. But, by all means, do nothing and try to feel good about your choices. I'm sure the Nader voters did as well.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
31. As I said, I will write in Bernie. I will never again vote for the slightly lesser of two evils.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:00 PM
Mar 2016

If you are happy about income inequality, citizens united, and the 1% owning almost all media sources and trying to buy the elections to cement their elevated status, well good for you.

I am supporting Bernie Sanders and trying to level the playing field for we, the people.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
33. Sleep well.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:08 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure you can spend your life defending your principled decision.

It'll be difficult given the damage President Trump will do, but I'm sure you can deal with the cognitive dissonance. Like my one friend who still admits he voted for Nader...in Florida. He gets red faced and shakes a bit when it is pointed out that he helped give us Bush but he does end the conversation with an angry tirade about principles. Usually people get very quiet and look at him with pity, but he gets his point across. It does tend to ruin his evening but such was his choice.

I'm sure you will be just fine with your principled decision. Yep. Just fine.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
34. I will. Because we know Hill is a lying neocon corporatist who sold her vote on the IWR for $20b
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:16 PM
Mar 2016

She admitted it in the last town hall. $20b for New York was more important than the lives damaged and lost in the Iraq war to her apparently.

But we actually don't have history to tell us what Trump would actually do.

Hill would be a neocon disaster (see Hondouras, Libya, Iraq, Syria) but her good buddy Trump? Who knows?

All of which is why I am working to get the one TRUE progressive elected, Bernie.

Stuckinthebush

(10,845 posts)
35. Yeah, yeah
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

And she eats puppies and hates old people.

Whatever you tell yourself to keep the dissonance down...carry on.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
38. StuckintheBush must really want GWB back, or were you hoping for Jeb! Hill will be a FINE sub
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:21 PM
Mar 2016

For either

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
10. Bernie is in it until the convention
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:23 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280148590
So he's not going to concede anything up until then.

And Real Clear Politics still has this to say about the delegates. It's a very tough road but NOT impossible for Bernie.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511507626

So it looks like you are all stuck with us and Bernie through the end of July!! Whoopeee!!!

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
13. Look, a newbie is telling me what to think, and all he has is a link. Not going there.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:34 PM
Mar 2016

Oh, and you just earned the distinction of being on my ignore list for lack of civility and rational thinking.

tgards79

(1,415 posts)
21. Hmmm...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 06:23 PM
Mar 2016

To whom are you directing this? I want to make sure I'm clear on this before I decide whether to respond. Is it to the original poster or to one of the commenters?

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
14. Hillary already has a fork in her.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:34 PM
Mar 2016

She has sold her heart and soul to Wall Street.

HC is not worthy of my vote.

OhioBlue

(5,126 posts)
50. I think it is best for everyone that he continues
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:48 PM
Mar 2016

The media coverage is already so skewed toward the Republicans, it will just multiply if we don't have a primary race to cover. Plus, the longer he stays in, the longer the progressive platform has a voice.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
53. You don't have t o get ugly.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:52 PM
Mar 2016

It's probably why Bernie lost this super Tuesday... Many people I know were turned off by that vitriol of BS supporters and ran the other way. I promise, it's true.

tgards79

(1,415 posts)
43. I'm curious...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

...what do you find objectionable. Do you think Bernie has a chance? I'm open to hearing your reasoning.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
49. I thought we were supposed to stop the ugliness. Or is it just Bernie supporters that are supposed
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 11:37 PM
Mar 2016

to line up now? Truly an ugly post.

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