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WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:33 PM Oct 2012

Plouffe: Obama team to circle wagon around OH, IA, NH & NV

What also became clear after the dust began to settle from the rumble on Long Island was the electoral map has narrowed and Obama's team, while conceding nothing publicly, is circling the wagons around Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada. Plouffe said that Obama remains strong in all four states, but he would not discuss the specifics of internal polling or voter-contact analytics, saying only that Obama has "significant leads" in all four places.


It is uncharacteristic of Team Obama to concede any terrain, but Plouffe offered no such assurances about Obama's position in Virginia, North Carolina and Florida. Romney advisers have seen big gains in all three states and now consider wins likely, although not guaranteed, in all three. They are similarly upbeat about prospects in Colorado but not confident enough to predict victory. That Plouffe left Colorado off his list of states where Obama's leading and can withstand a Romney surge might be telling.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/what-s-next-in-the-obama-romney-duel-20121017

I've seen no public polls, so far, to indicate that we should give up on VA, NC, FL or CO.

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Plouffe: Obama team to circle wagon around OH, IA, NH & NV (Original Post) WI_DEM Oct 2012 OP
Virginia and Florida are within reach. Dawson Leery Oct 2012 #1
Actually the Kaine campaign might bring the Obama campaign through in VA underpants Oct 2012 #26
And Wisconsin? BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #2
from candidate visits WI is still a target... WI_DEM Oct 2012 #4
.... woolldog Oct 2012 #7
Brings back unpleasant memories BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #15
I believe Obama will win all of those + Wisconsin, Virginia, and Colorado. North Carolina, Florida yellowcanine Oct 2012 #31
It says Obama advisers think they will win Wisconsin, along with PA and MI muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #23
Thank you BeyondGeography Oct 2012 #30
He should not give up VA, and they should wait a week to see about FL. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #3
I especially agree about VA. I'd like to see some new polling from there WI_DEM Oct 2012 #5
He has no real help in NC dsc Oct 2012 #6
The OFA field offices oswaldactedalone Oct 2012 #12
President O was leading in WI by 1 skeewee08 Oct 2012 #8
Priority is to get to 270. speedoo Oct 2012 #9
Probably should go after WI and CO woolldog Oct 2012 #10
VA may be more friendly than CO. geek tragedy Oct 2012 #24
Send Biden & The Big Dawg to Florida & WI skeewee08 Oct 2012 #11
According to Nate Silver Proud Public Servant Oct 2012 #13
I would add WI in there too. Jennicut Oct 2012 #14
Circle the wagons, because the cavalry is coming garthranzz Oct 2012 #16
This analysis is complete crap MSMITH33156 Oct 2012 #17
The headline at least is pure BS. abumbyanyothername Oct 2012 #21
Yes Obama campaign has debunked this story. The OP needs Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #35
When did WI turn red? helpisontheway Oct 2012 #18
It didn't. MSMITH33156 Oct 2012 #19
This is the impact of the 1st debate. We lost NC and possibly FL. smorkingapple Oct 2012 #20
They key is "significant leads" in states sufficient to win 281 EVs. geek tragedy Oct 2012 #22
Uh...if they have given up on VA someone better tell the President.. S_E_Fudd Oct 2012 #25
LOL. LisaL Oct 2012 #27
They haven't given up on VA underpants Oct 2012 #28
This article has been debunked by the O campaign Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #34
I doubt we have FL or NC at this point davidn3600 Oct 2012 #29
It Really JiminyJominy Oct 2012 #32
Obama campaign has debunked this fake story. You need to update it or delete. Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #33

underpants

(182,904 posts)
26. Actually the Kaine campaign might bring the Obama campaign through in VA
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:21 PM
Oct 2012

we join GOTV forces the last weekend. My wife has been at "the office" the last 3 nights - I do weekend canvassing.

Trust me there are PROS at the Kaine office (experienced from around the country) and the volunteers are pouring in.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
4. from candidate visits WI is still a target...
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:38 PM
Oct 2012

Obama and Biden were both here last week. The First Lady will be here on Friday.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
31. I believe Obama will win all of those + Wisconsin, Virginia, and Colorado. North Carolina, Florida
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:36 PM
Oct 2012

and Arizona will be in play for Obama because of his huge advantage with women and Hispanics.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,368 posts)
23. It says Obama advisers think they will win Wisconsin, along with PA and MI
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:13 PM
Oct 2012

And, of those, "Romney advisers believe that only one, Wisconsin, is even theoretically winnable" by Romney.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
5. I especially agree about VA. I'd like to see some new polling from there
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:39 PM
Oct 2012

last week there was a poll that had Obama up by 6 in VA by NBC or CBS, one or the other.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
6. He has no real help in NC
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:40 PM
Oct 2012

frankly I am amazed we weren't tossed long ago. Our Governor candidate is down by double digits. I know he hasn't given up though as we still are seeing plenty of ads.

oswaldactedalone

(3,491 posts)
12. The OFA field offices
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:47 PM
Oct 2012

are doing a fantastic job in NC. GOTV is our only hope here. Unfortunately, the enthusiasm for Obama among NC college students is considerably less than four years ago and that might spell the difference.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
13. According to Nate Silver
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:48 PM
Oct 2012

The only two states that are really close are VA and CO. Everything else has at least a 60% chance of being carried by whomever it's leaning toward, but VA only has a 52.6% chance of going to Romney, and CO only has a 50.7% chance of going Romney (next-closest state is NV, 62.6% likelihood for Obama).

So I can see cirling the wagons, but not giving up on VA and CO, especially given how well their recent fundraising has gone.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
14. I would add WI in there too.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:50 PM
Oct 2012

WI is the next most winnable state. VA is close. Kaine could help there. CO is equally close.

Do we have a better shot at NC or FL considering the older population of FL? NC is just as close.

garthranzz

(1,330 posts)
16. Circle the wagons, because the cavalry is coming
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:52 PM
Oct 2012

Once those four states are secured - statistically - Team Obama will go after WI, VA, FL and CO. Maybe NC.

I'm not privy to the internal polling, but I'd reason like this: We need a +6% to be secure - that's too big a lead for vote theft to work - a flip of 7% in the polls will raise questions.

Once the 270 (wagons) are safe, let the cavalry loose (extra states).

At least two of those states will go Obama, regardless.

MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
17. This analysis is complete crap
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 03:56 PM
Oct 2012

There was nothing that "became clear". The author pulled that out of his ass. Let's see what was said:

Plouffe said that Obama remains strong in all four states, but he would not discuss the specifics of internal polling or voter-contact analytics, saying only that Obama has "significant leads" in all four places.


It is uncharacteristic of Team Obama to concede any terrain, but Plouffe offered no such assurances about Obama's position in Virginia, North Carolina and Florida.


All that Plouffe said is that they have significant leads in the 4 states mentioned. And then he didn't say they had significant leads in VA, NC, and FL. That was the "no such assurances." Nowhere anywhere did Plouffe or anyone else say that Obama did not intend to win there. He was discussing states that he feels they are basically locks in (OH, IA, NH and NV). To take that statement and say, "that is their focus, they have given up on the rest" is asinine and ridiculous.

Also, on Wisconsin, this was the note on that:

According to RealClearPolitics, Obama currently has 201 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win. But that doesn't give Obama electoral votes from Pennsylvania (20), Michigan (16), or Wisconsin (10). Of these three, Romney advisers believe that only one, Wisconsin, is even theoretically winnable. Obama advisers believe they will win all three. That would put Obama at 247 electoral votes. If Obama wins Ohio (18), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), and New Hampshire (4) he would claim 281 electoral votes. That means he could afford to lose New Hampshire and Nevada and still eke out a razor-thin victory of 271 electoral votes.


Plouffe doesn't even consider it a swing state.

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
18. When did WI turn red?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:35 PM
Oct 2012

I knew it was close but I thought Obama led by a few points. Not surprised about Virginia. I'm in Williamsburg but VA dies not feel like it will turn blue again. Sucks..

MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
19. It didn't.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 07:38 PM
Oct 2012

Read my post. Not only is the conclusion drawn here completely wrong, but later in the article it actually says that Dems think Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are in the bag.

smorkingapple

(827 posts)
20. This is the impact of the 1st debate. We lost NC and possibly FL.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:01 PM
Oct 2012

Obama was heading towards landslide win with both states in his pocket, but NC was shaky.

Both are Republican leaning but Obama had a very good chance to win those states. He gave those up when he took a shit on himself 1st debate.

1st debate sealed those as losses to me. I just don't think we take those states anymore. Not necessary for 270 but still a blow if you wanted a landslide.

Surprised on VA. Thought demographics and high Dem support in DC corridor would be helpful but it's also possible debate fucked that up too.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. They key is "significant leads" in states sufficient to win 281 EVs.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:12 PM
Oct 2012

If we win VA or FL, it's over. If Romney wins both, we are in for a nail biter.

S_E_Fudd

(1,295 posts)
25. Uh...if they have given up on VA someone better tell the President..
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:20 PM
Oct 2012

He is here in Fairfax County Friday for a rally...

underpants

(182,904 posts)
28. They haven't given up on VA
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:27 PM
Oct 2012

The Kaine operation alone is formidable. They are just laser focused on those other states.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
29. I doubt we have FL or NC at this point
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 08:42 PM
Oct 2012

If the election is held today, I think Romney sweeps the South.

The south is where the needle moved the most after the first debate. It seemed people who were on the fence or leaning Romney jumped onto the bandwagon. And although Obama won last night, I don't think it was enough to knock those gains off.

I dont think Obama is giving up on these states, but I dont think you will see them make a serious effort to defend them. Florida especially is an extremely expensive state to campaign in. And Obama does not need Florida if he can win Ohio.

Apparently North vs South is still alive and well.

JiminyJominy

(340 posts)
32. It Really
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 09:43 PM
Oct 2012

Just depends on Obama's own Internals. What are they telling him? Candidate Internals usually are more accurate than any other polls since they dictate $$$ spent and strategy going forward.

IF they really are focusing on just OH, Iowa, NH, and NV then it tells me there might be a serious concern in other states.

Lets not forget, yes we need Obama to win...but what we REALLY need is a mandate win so we can get stuff done next time around We really want to avoid a 271 Electoral Vote because that just leaves room for the GOP to say "you barely won, there's no mandate".

Ya I know winning is the name of the game for now and that should be job one, but we still need to have an effort in other places to try and get to 300 EV.

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