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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:22 PM Mar 2016

Sanders hopes to lure superdelegates with electability argument

Tonight on Maddow--

MADDOW: I’m just gonna add—I’m gonna push you and just ask one more time if—I’ll actually ask you in the other direction. If one of you—presumably there won’t be a tie. One of you presumably will be behind in pledged delegates heading into that convention. Should the person who is behind in pledged delegates concede to the person who is ahead in pledged delegates in Philadelphia?

SANDERS: Well, I don’t want to speculate about the future and I think there are other factors involved. I think it is probably the case that the candidate who has the most pledged delegates is going to be the candidate but there are other factors. And the other factors will be the strength of each of us in taking on the Republican candidate. What I think is most important to all of the delegates, including the super delegates, is that we have a candidate who will win. and not allow Donald Trump to end up in the White House.”


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-hopes-lure-superdelegates-electability-argument

Career politician abandons his principles when he's desperate to win an election. Though this is so desperate it's more funny and sad than outrageous.

Good for Rachel for pinning him down as he tried to dodge the question.
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Sanders hopes to lure superdelegates with electability argument (Original Post) geek tragedy Mar 2016 OP
The more I listen to him the more I despise him. upaloopa Mar 2016 #1
He's a career politician. He's just very good at it--he fools geek tragedy Mar 2016 #2
I use to make it a point to listen to him on "brunch with Bernie" on Thom Hartman's show upaloopa Mar 2016 #8
Anybody who believes NC, FL, and VA ... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #10
Not even geography--northern Virginia is a suburb of DC. nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #11
That's true... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #17
In Miami you're closer to Cuba than to Georgia. nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #18
In more ways than one. Miami/Dade County is 70% Latino. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #20
^^^WORD^^^! Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #31
Without a mandate, he wants to be the nominee. Dawson Leery Mar 2016 #4
His admiration for Danny Ortega makes sense nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #5
Somoza and Kissinger are more Hillary's cup of tea right? think Mar 2016 #7
Maybe Bernie will start doing fundraisers on Wall Street for his geek tragedy Mar 2016 #9
Maybe Hillary will quit selling weapons to dictators with human rights violations when they donate. think Mar 2016 #14
+1 Dawson Leery Mar 2016 #24
Now you know how we feel about YOUR candidate. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #12
He believes his own talking points... cynatnite Mar 2016 #22
The worst cynicism invariably come from those who hold themselves out as saints./nt DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #3
24 years in Washington. Anti establishment? redstateblues Mar 2016 #6
"I've lost more states and won fewer voters. VOTE FOR ME" Renew Deal Mar 2016 #13
be nice, she didn't quite say it that way tomm2thumbs Mar 2016 #35
He's not thinking clearly BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #15
He's been in Washington too long. nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #16
You know Tad Devine is feeding him this tripe... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #19
I think he's getting there all by himself BeyondGeography Mar 2016 #21
Ted Kennedy tried it in 80 and failed miserably... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #23
Sanders and his followers decried the use of super delegates DesertRat Mar 2016 #25
That's the word, HYPOCRISY. It fits Sanders perfecly lunamagica Mar 2016 #27
So b/c he thinks that superdelegates are undemocratic and tk2kewl Mar 2016 #28
He is a hypocrite because he's supposed "all about the people," the will of the people, blah, blah, lunamagica Mar 2016 #33
He's just saying that for his base griffi94 Mar 2016 #26
Nonsense! Balderdash! longship Mar 2016 #29
Did you notice that he refused to say that the winner of pledged delegates geek tragedy Mar 2016 #30
And, that will be Hillary.. thank you, geek. Cha Mar 2016 #32
I've thought all along he was either delusional or a liar. Now ohheckyeah Mar 2016 #34

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
1. The more I listen to him the more I despise him.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:26 PM
Mar 2016

I am so glad that he isn't going to get anywhere near the nomination because voting for him in the general would be as bad as cutting one of my arms off.

He is a self serving egotistical maniac!

He is a pied piper taking money under false pretenses from people who can least afford it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. He's a career politician. He's just very good at it--he fools
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:28 PM
Mar 2016

a lot of people into thinking he's a prophet rather than a politician.

He's really good at this.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
8. I use to make it a point to listen to him on "brunch with Bernie" on Thom Hartman's show
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:34 PM
Mar 2016

I would take a lunch break walk and listen with head phones.

And now that I recall those times I know that I have heard his stump speech hundreds of times. It is true that he has said the same things for 40 years.

But that's just it. He is all talking points. He has never accomplished any of it in all those years.

He has fooled a bunch of white male liberals that he is the path to getting all the revenge they have sought for years on those they believe have kept them from their liberal progressive utopia.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. Anybody who believes NC, FL, and VA ...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:35 PM
Mar 2016

Anybody who believes NC, FL, and VA where Hillary pulverized him is "deep south" in anything but geography is besotted.


The four key swing states in the past several elections have been NC, FL, VA, and OH and she pulverized him in those states.


Why does he bring up Cali and New York? Mickey Mouse could carry those states if he had a (D) after his name.


What disingenuous tripe.



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
17. That's true...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:45 PM
Mar 2016

I stayed in Crystal City... I could walk to DC...

I lived in FL. I guess i could walk to GA or AL but it would be impractical.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. In more ways than one. Miami/Dade County is 70% Latino.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:50 PM
Mar 2016

This stealing elections stuff is really putting a bad taste in my mouth.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
4. Without a mandate, he wants to be the nominee.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:30 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie wants to take it away from Hillary.

Berns has no argument if Hillary has the most delegates/popular vote.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
14. Maybe Hillary will quit selling weapons to dictators with human rights violations when they donate.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:39 PM
Mar 2016

But I doubt it.


Clinton Foundation Donors Got Weapons Deals From Hillary Clinton's State Department

BY DAVID SIROTA @DAVIDSIROTA AND ANDREW PEREZ @ANDREWPEREZDC ON 05/26/15 AT 8:44 AM

~Snip~

Sales Flowed Despite Human Rights Concerns

Under a presidential policy directive signed by President Bill Clinton in 1995, the State Department is supposed to specifically take human rights records into account when deciding whether to approve licenses enabling foreign governments to purchase military equipment and services from American companies. Despite this, Hillary Clinton’s State Department increased approvals of such sales to nations that her agency sharply criticized for systematic human rights abuses.

In its 2010 Human Rights Report, Clinton’s State Department inveighed against Algeria’s government for imposing “restrictions on freedom of assembly and association” tolerating “arbitrary killing,” “widespread corruption,” and a “lack of judicial independence.” The report said the Algerian government “used security grounds to constrain freedom of expression and movement.”

That year, the Algerian government donated $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation and its lobbyists met with the State Department officials who oversee enforcement of human rights policies. Clinton’s State Department the next year approved a one-year 70 percent increase in military export authorizations to the country. The increase included authorizations of almost 50,000 items classified as “toxicological agents, including chemical agents, biological agents and associated equipment” after the State Department did not authorize the export of any of such items to Algeria in the prior year.

During Clinton’s tenure, the State Department authorized at least $2.4 billion of direct military hardware and services sales to Algeria -- nearly triple such authorizations over the last full fiscal years during the Bush administration. The Clinton Foundation did not disclose Algeria’s donation until this year -- a violation of the ethics agreement it entered into with the Obama administration....

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187



To be clear Algeria was a dictatorship when Hillary made the decision to increase arms sales and the foundation took the donation:


The world's enduring dictators: Abdelaziz Bouteflika, Algeria

By JOSHUA NORMAN CBS NEWS June 10, 2011, 2:00 PM

Abdelaziz Bouteflika, Algeria

Length of rule: 12 years. After having term limits abolished, Bouteflika won a third five-year term as president in 2009, having won that and the 2004 election with an absurd margin of victory. He first won the presidency in 1999 with the backing of the military, in part by promising to end the violence that rocked the country after the cancellation of parliamentary elections in 1992, which an Islamic party was allegedly set to win.

Most despotic acts: Bouteflika has battled militant Islamic movements throughout his time in office. After being in place 19 years - a length of time that precedes his ascension to power - Bouteflika recently lifted the state of emergency, enacted at the onset of a violent ten-year civil war, which had turned human rights into a secondary concern in Algeria. Regardless, Bouteflika has continued to aggressively squash protests against his rule inspired by uprisings in neighboring North African countries. While the emergency rule was in place, Bouteflika's regime was accused by the UN Human Rights Committee of "massacres, torture, rape and disappearances." The U.S. State Department reports that Bouteflika's regime has repeatedly failed to "account for persons who disappeared in the 1990s and to address the demands of victims' families." While food shortages and general discontent led to many of the smaller Tunisia-inspired protests that state security forces violently squashed, rampant corruption was among the protesters' chief complaints, a problem that could result in "an explosion (of protests) if the government's promise of change doesn't come fast enough," NPR writes...

full article:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-worlds-enduring-dictators-abdelaziz-bouteflika-algeria/



 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. Now you know how we feel about YOUR candidate.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 11:37 PM
Mar 2016
Now do you see why there will be no reconciling the sides?

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
25. Sanders and his followers decried the use of super delegates
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:12 AM
Mar 2016

and blasted Sec. Clinton for her strong showing with them. Now that he's losing, he's cool with them?? Talk about hypocrisy.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
28. So b/c he thinks that superdelegates are undemocratic and
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:33 AM
Mar 2016

700 of the committed to Clinton before the primaries even started, he's a hypocrite for wanting to convince some of them to change their minds? Makes perfect sense to me

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
33. He is a hypocrite because he's supposed "all about the people," the will of the people, blah, blah,
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:27 PM
Mar 2016

yet he is willing to invalidate the will of he majority of voters, millions of them, becaause they made a different choice.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
26. He's just saying that for his base
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:18 AM
Mar 2016

If he were the most electable he wouldn't be losing
so it wouldn't be an issue.

That's just some fire breathing to keep his support
from drying up now.

longship

(40,416 posts)
29. Nonsense! Balderdash!
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:33 AM
Mar 2016

You didn't quote the part the scene on how he plans on doing that, which does present a fair distribution of stupid delegates (which is what I call them).

In those states which Bernie clearly won, he would make the case that those super delegates should by assigned to him to respect the clear decision of the voters of that state.

That was his argument.

If Clinton camp disagrees, then they need to make a counter offer. That's how politics works. A consensus of such negotiations will inevitably lead to a clear Dem nominee this year. One which both Sanders and Clinton will honor.

That should be ones goal no matter who one supports.

Best regards.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. Did you notice that he refused to say that the winner of pledged delegates
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:49 AM
Mar 2016

should receive the support of the superdelegates and be the nominee?

And that for superdelegates and pledged delegates the single most important factor was electability, not the will of the voters?

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
34. I've thought all along he was either delusional or a liar. Now
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 01:46 PM
Mar 2016

I think it's 6 of one and half a dozen of another. Plus an ego and megalomania issue. He's the left's version of trump.

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