2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders hopes to lure superdelegates with electability argument
Tonight on Maddow--
SANDERS: Well, I dont want to speculate about the future and I think there are other factors involved. I think it is probably the case that the candidate who has the most pledged delegates is going to be the candidate but there are other factors. And the other factors will be the strength of each of us in taking on the Republican candidate. What I think is most important to all of the delegates, including the super delegates, is that we have a candidate who will win. and not allow Donald Trump to end up in the White House.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-hopes-lure-superdelegates-electability-argument
Career politician abandons his principles when he's desperate to win an election. Though this is so desperate it's more funny and sad than outrageous.
Good for Rachel for pinning him down as he tried to dodge the question.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I am so glad that he isn't going to get anywhere near the nomination because voting for him in the general would be as bad as cutting one of my arms off.
He is a self serving egotistical maniac!
He is a pied piper taking money under false pretenses from people who can least afford it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)a lot of people into thinking he's a prophet rather than a politician.
He's really good at this.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I would take a lunch break walk and listen with head phones.
And now that I recall those times I know that I have heard his stump speech hundreds of times. It is true that he has said the same things for 40 years.
But that's just it. He is all talking points. He has never accomplished any of it in all those years.
He has fooled a bunch of white male liberals that he is the path to getting all the revenge they have sought for years on those they believe have kept them from their liberal progressive utopia.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Anybody who believes NC, FL, and VA where Hillary pulverized him is "deep south" in anything but geography is besotted.
The four key swing states in the past several elections have been NC, FL, VA, and OH and she pulverized him in those states.
Why does he bring up Cali and New York? Mickey Mouse could carry those states if he had a (D) after his name.
What disingenuous tripe.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I stayed in Crystal City... I could walk to DC...
I lived in FL. I guess i could walk to GA or AL but it would be impractical.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)This stealing elections stuff is really putting a bad taste in my mouth.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Bernie wants to take it away from Hillary.
Berns has no argument if Hillary has the most delegates/popular vote.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)think
(11,641 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)next trick.
think
(11,641 posts)But I doubt it.
BY DAVID SIROTA @DAVIDSIROTA AND ANDREW PEREZ @ANDREWPEREZDC ON 05/26/15 AT 8:44 AM
~Snip~
Sales Flowed Despite Human Rights Concerns
Under a presidential policy directive signed by President Bill Clinton in 1995, the State Department is supposed to specifically take human rights records into account when deciding whether to approve licenses enabling foreign governments to purchase military equipment and services from American companies. Despite this, Hillary Clintons State Department increased approvals of such sales to nations that her agency sharply criticized for systematic human rights abuses.
In its 2010 Human Rights Report, Clintons State Department inveighed against Algerias government for imposing restrictions on freedom of assembly and association tolerating arbitrary killing, widespread corruption, and a lack of judicial independence. The report said the Algerian government used security grounds to constrain freedom of expression and movement.
That year, the Algerian government donated $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation and its lobbyists met with the State Department officials who oversee enforcement of human rights policies. Clintons State Department the next year approved a one-year 70 percent increase in military export authorizations to the country. The increase included authorizations of almost 50,000 items classified as toxicological agents, including chemical agents, biological agents and associated equipment after the State Department did not authorize the export of any of such items to Algeria in the prior year.
During Clintons tenure, the State Department authorized at least $2.4 billion of direct military hardware and services sales to Algeria -- nearly triple such authorizations over the last full fiscal years during the Bush administration. The Clinton Foundation did not disclose Algerias donation until this year -- a violation of the ethics agreement it entered into with the Obama administration....
http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187
To be clear Algeria was a dictatorship when Hillary made the decision to increase arms sales and the foundation took the donation:
By JOSHUA NORMAN CBS NEWS June 10, 2011, 2:00 PM
Abdelaziz Bouteflika, Algeria
Length of rule: 12 years. After having term limits abolished, Bouteflika won a third five-year term as president in 2009, having won that and the 2004 election with an absurd margin of victory. He first won the presidency in 1999 with the backing of the military, in part by promising to end the violence that rocked the country after the cancellation of parliamentary elections in 1992, which an Islamic party was allegedly set to win.
Most despotic acts: Bouteflika has battled militant Islamic movements throughout his time in office. After being in place 19 years - a length of time that precedes his ascension to power - Bouteflika recently lifted the state of emergency, enacted at the onset of a violent ten-year civil war, which had turned human rights into a secondary concern in Algeria. Regardless, Bouteflika has continued to aggressively squash protests against his rule inspired by uprisings in neighboring North African countries. While the emergency rule was in place, Bouteflika's regime was accused by the UN Human Rights Committee of "massacres, torture, rape and disappearances." The U.S. State Department reports that Bouteflika's regime has repeatedly failed to "account for persons who disappeared in the 1990s and to address the demands of victims' families." While food shortages and general discontent led to many of the smaller Tunisia-inspired protests that state security forces violently squashed, rampant corruption was among the protesters' chief complaints, a problem that could result in "an explosion (of protests) if the government's promise of change doesn't come fast enough," NPR writes...
full article:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-worlds-enduring-dictators-abdelaziz-bouteflika-algeria/
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)plus the crowds chanting his name blinds him, I think.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Not so much
Renew Deal
(81,868 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)For example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511519655
Drinking his own kool-aid.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I thought nobody had an ego as big as Donald J. Trump...
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)and blasted Sec. Clinton for her strong showing with them. Now that he's losing, he's cool with them?? Talk about hypocrisy.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)700 of the committed to Clinton before the primaries even started, he's a hypocrite for wanting to convince some of them to change their minds? Makes perfect sense to me
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)yet he is willing to invalidate the will of he majority of voters, millions of them, becaause they made a different choice.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)If he were the most electable he wouldn't be losing
so it wouldn't be an issue.
That's just some fire breathing to keep his support
from drying up now.
longship
(40,416 posts)You didn't quote the part the scene on how he plans on doing that, which does present a fair distribution of stupid delegates (which is what I call them).
In those states which Bernie clearly won, he would make the case that those super delegates should by assigned to him to respect the clear decision of the voters of that state.
That was his argument.
If Clinton camp disagrees, then they need to make a counter offer. That's how politics works. A consensus of such negotiations will inevitably lead to a clear Dem nominee this year. One which both Sanders and Clinton will honor.
That should be ones goal no matter who one supports.
Best regards.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)should receive the support of the superdelegates and be the nominee?
And that for superdelegates and pledged delegates the single most important factor was electability, not the will of the voters?
Cha
(297,464 posts)ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)I think it's 6 of one and half a dozen of another. Plus an ego and megalomania issue. He's the left's version of trump.