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Virginia GOP Caught Destroying Voter Registration Forms- UPDATEDat Not Larry Sabato
http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2012/10/virginia-gop-caught-destroying-voter-registration-forms.html
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I just saw a guy throw a bag of trash in my cardboard dumpster and speed off. I went to get the bag and throw it in the trash dumpster. In the bag was a folder containing FILLED OUT VIRGINIA VOTER REGISTRATION FORMS!! I called the Harrisonburg Registrars office and they sent the police who said they really didn't know what to do in a case like this because its never happened before. The police took the forms and left. I'm really concerned because today is the last day in Virginia to register to vote and if these forms are tied up while trying to figure out what to do, will these people be allowed to vote??? I'm tagging you Lowell since I thought you might want to follow up on this. I spoke with Debbie at the Harrisonburg office and police spoke with Doug at the Rockingham county registrars office"
Who would drive up to a dumpster on the registration deadline day to throw away completed voter registration forms and why?
The car that drove up was a black Toyota Camry with Pennsylvania license plates. Who would be in the Valley from Pennsylvania and have a bunch of completed voter registration forms that they wanted to destroy?
Once this story hit Facebook, a number of people pointed out to the person who witnessed this crime that the state GOP "Victory Office" was just a couple blocks away. Yesterday afternoon, guess what car was parked in front of the office?
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abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)doublethink
(6,823 posts)#1- American Crossroads- the superpac founded by Karl Rove and Ed Gillespie
liberal N proud
(60,335 posts)There is much evidence.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)bag of discarded votes as evidence to find out where it came from, and
make a court case out of it. Some people belong in jail. The Repubs.
will keep on throwing away or destroying votes as long as they know they
can get away with it. But when some of them begin to serve jail sentences,
it will be a different story.
Cha
(297,275 posts)johnnyrocket
(1,773 posts)eyewall
(674 posts)traitors
Tutonic
(2,522 posts)drives a car....hopefully a black Toyota Camry.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)This is absolutely one of the most F'd up things I've heard yet.
Props to the person who was curious enough to dumpster dive, retrieve the forms AND alert about it. He didn't have to do it and a good citizen for doing what he did .
Damn these people to hell.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)it doesn't seem like they were but you'd think something could be done to get those people's registrations in.
This is not those people's faults and they shouldn't have to be denied their vote!
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)beac
(9,992 posts)And the idiots at NBC29 (used to live in their broadcast area) are doing their usual pathetic job:
Is it a case of election fraud, voter suppression, or something far less sinister?
http://www.nbc29.com/story/19836183/investigation-launched-over-trashed-voter-registration-forms
How can trashing registrations be "something far less sinister"??
Reported by the aptly named Ken Slack. NBC29, where journalism goes to die.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Culprit should have to serve time in prison... Several years.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)This should be a felony.
Qutzupalotl
(14,313 posts)"That would be a big disappointment... your first election ever, to go in to vote for the first time, and be told you can't do it," Johnson said. "So whoever did this, it was pretty despicable."
liam_laddie
(1,321 posts)Not certain what degree, but it carries a fine and jail, maybe six months? Any attorneys out there?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)with an election official. Ugh! But for fingerprints etc I imagine they'll hold onto them.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)until AFTER the election. Anyone who's registration form is in that batch will not be able to vote on election day because their information will not be on the voter rolls. So, the GOP gets their way after all.
beac
(9,992 posts)From the above-linked NBC29 story:
But will they be allowed to vote for anyone? The registrar went to the state to ask, and came back with good news.
Geib said, "The guidance I received from them was, yes, that they did meet the deadline. They were delivered to our office, and so they are going to be able to vote in the November election."
starroute
(12,977 posts)That's Nathan Sproul's group that was engaging in registration fraud in Florida. And the story also says it shares a nearby office with both Rove's American Crossroads and Virginia state senator Jill Holtzman Vogel. According to Sourcewatch, she's got an interesting resume:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Jill_Holtzman_Vogel
According to her firm profile, Vogel "specializes in ethics, campaign finance and tax exempt organizations. In addition to managing the firm, in February 2004, she was named Chief Counsel of the Republican National Committee. As counsel, she led the national partys legal effort during the 2004 Presidential election. Prior to founding the practice, she served as Deputy Counsel at the Department of Energy, overseeing the transition and working with the White House, Energy Secretary Abraham, and other Federal Agencies to implement Energy initiatives. Prior to that, she served as Deputy Counsel at the Republican National Committee. During November and December of 2000, she served as counsel in the Florida Presidential Recount, acting on behalf of the Bush-Cheney campaign in West Palm Beach and in Osceola County.
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Vogel's name shows up at a DU thread from 2004 about the georgewbush.com emails:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1165947
Vogel and her husband were also closely associated with the American Center for Voting Rights -- a group formed in 2005 by people close to the RNC and Karl Rove to push the fake claims of "voter fraud." According to something that apparently first appeared as a comment at Talking Points Memo but is now only online at the link below:
http://www.tooconservative.com/?p=1865
In the ACVR 2005 990, the DC consulting firm of Mehlman Vogel Castagnetti is listed as the executive director. Alex Vogel, GOP operative, almost certainly serves as the ACVRs actual executive director. . . .
The ACVR paid more than $70k to Holtzman Vogel in 2005.
Holtzman Vogel and the RNC are so closely linked that HV operates on the RNC internet server.
The Vogels may have brought Robin DeJarnette, Thomas M. Lawson and Whitson Robinson into the ACVR. DeJarentte and Robinson both endorsed Jill Holtzmans candidacy.
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And in 2010, she and her husband and another ACVR veteran were linked to the American Future Fund and its dirty tricks operations.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/shadowy_gop-linked_group_plans_barrage_of_2010_rob.php
So if the Vogel campaign is involved in this latest stunt, it doesn't just look like a local one-off bit of election skullduggery. It has multiple links to a pattern of top-level election fraud going back to at least 2004. And that could be very interesting.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)(I know some are called something different) should suspend the organization from doing business in each individual state and look into whether an investigation needs to be launched. The DOJ should be scaring the shit of out them to make them squeal like pigs.
starroute
(12,977 posts)I hadn't realized until I checked last night that the Vogels were the people actually running the American Center for Voting Rights in 2005 -- because the two names that were most visible at the time were those of Jim Dyke and Thor Hearne.
Dyke was a protege of Ed Gillespie who had worked for him since 1999. He was RNC communications director during the 2004 election when Gillespie was RNC chairman and was responsible for such things as sending out astroturfed letters to the editor. He also worked closely with the deputy communications director, Tim Griffin, of US Attorney scandal fame -- and it was Griffin who sent out the infamous "caging" email that summer.
Hearne was a Republican National Lawyers Association type who'd first gained notice for making claims that ACORN was carrying out voter fraud in Missouri in 2000 and then became national counsel to the Bush campaign in 2004. He was also best buddies with Todd Akin, who promoted those same Missouri voter fraud claims.
Just before Election Day in 2004, Dyke, Gillespie, and Hearne were all making claims of voter registration irregularities in Ohio. Immediately after the election, in December 2004, Dyke left his official RNC position to form ACVR, with Hearne as counsel, as part of that same propaganda effort.
That was seen as a strange career move for Dyke even at the time, and there are indications that it was part of an operation masterminded by Gillespie and/or Rove that also involved pressuring the US Attorneys to turn up cases of voter fraud.
I find something in my notes that appeared in the Washington Post in 2004:
Because Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, his advisers launched an effort to register millions of new GOP voters, calculating that, by raising the overall GOP percentage a point or two, they could go a long way toward ensuring the president's reelection. The Bush team concentrated efforts in heavily Republican precincts, particularly in fast-growing exurban counties, and last month, Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie announced that the party had achieved its goal of 3 million new registrants.
The GOP efforts, however, produced a counter-effort among Democrats, fueled by strong anti-Bush sentiment. Democrats, aided by independent but allied groups such as America Coming Together and ACORN, mounted registration drives in cities, aimed at minority voters.
So it doesn't take a lot of dot-connecting to see what is now happening in Virginia as part of an ongoing voter-suppression effort that has been ongoing since 2004, deeply involves both Rove and Gillespie, and has also been behind everything from the US Attorney scandal to the fake ACORN non-scandal.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)They knocked off ACORN claiming it was committing fraud and then turned around and did the same thing.
LovePeacock
(225 posts)After all, we gave the world Eric Cantor and Bob McDonnell and Ken Cuccinelli and George Allen.
Yep. We be fuckin' idiots down here. No doubt about it.
Welcome_hubby
(312 posts)It happened in FL and those other battleground states with the shady Republican-linked voting registration firm. Now this. Lets be vigilant.
obxhead
(8,434 posts)We'll keep tabs on it and keep DU posted.
Thank you for posting this, I didn't have time to do so myself yesterday.