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hack89

(39,171 posts)
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:23 AM Oct 2012

Obama has lost Dilbert!

For the record, President Obama did not technically kill anyone to get elected. That was just a hypothetical example. But he is putting an American citizen in jail for 10 years to life for operating medical marijuana dispensaries in California where it is legal under state law. And I assume the President - who has a well-documented history of extensive marijuana use in his youth - is clamping down on California dispensaries for political reasons, i.e. to get reelected. What other reason could there be?

One could argue that the President is just doing his job and enforcing existing Federal laws. That's the opposite of what he said he would do before he was elected, but lying is obviously not a firing offense for politicians.

Personally, I'd prefer death to spending the final decades of my life in prison. So while President Obama didn't technically kill a citizen, he is certainly ruining this fellow's life, and his family's lives, and the lives of countless other minor drug offenders. And he is doing it to advance his career. If that's not a firing offense, what the hell is?

So while I don't agree with Romney's positions on most topics, I'm endorsing him for president starting today. I think we need to set a minimum standard for presidential behavior, and jailing American citizens for political gain simply has to be a firing offense no matter how awesome you might be in other ways.


http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/firing_offense/

What a pile of BS - Alice needs to fire up her "Fists of Death"!!
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Obama has lost Dilbert! (Original Post) hack89 Oct 2012 OP
Potheads for Romney Unite! BootinUp Oct 2012 #1
crickets Erose999 Oct 2012 #21
lolz So much stupid, where to begin? JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #2
It's not stupid, it's ProSense Oct 2012 #5
Like your style Hutzpa Oct 2012 #18
Romney would be far worse than Obama on social issues Democat Oct 2012 #3
Does ANYONE really believe that Romney would be better for drugs? Pab Sungenis Oct 2012 #4
"while I don't agree with Romney's positions on most topics" Enrique Oct 2012 #6
I wouldn't look for much sense in Scott Adams' musings. FSogol Oct 2012 #7
I'm proud of my President! MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #8
Yeah, ProSense Oct 2012 #9
I really don't know their motivations MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #10
Absolutely ProSense Oct 2012 #11
So you think Obama should not have been jailed for marikuana and cocaine use? Nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #29
how many MMJ users has Obama imprisoned? uncle ray Oct 2012 #16
More than 800,000 marijuana arrests each year, 90% for simple posession MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #30
I see what you did there Manny Hutzpa Oct 2012 #31
the vast majority of those were arrested by local authorities. uncle ray Oct 2012 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Shireling Oct 2012 #12
Adams is an idiot: Romney is dead against medical marijuana muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #13
did Obama ever have Dilbert? Because I thought he always was right/libertarian magical thyme Oct 2012 #14
He is a libertarian - interestingly enough he has a lot of respect for Bill Clinton. hack89 Oct 2012 #15
That is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read. progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #17
Look here you dumb Dilbert Hutzpa Oct 2012 #19
A libertarian is just a republican who's too embarrassed to call themselves a republican. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #24
I like your style! JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #25
Sure is Hutzpa Oct 2012 #26
The man got into trouble because he and employees, SOLD to undercover agents! Sunlei Oct 2012 #20
Wow. Now that's a roundabout way of saying that you're gonna support Romney. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #22
This is all you need to know about Scott Adams... Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #23
On the West Coast this issue is big for the EmeraldCityGrl Oct 2012 #27
It's one of those issues that will be gotten around to, but other things had to be done first. LovePeacock Oct 2012 #28

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
2. lolz So much stupid, where to begin?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:28 AM
Oct 2012

Mitt's got standards, unlike Obama?? Mitt's going to go easy on anything pot related?

On and on the stupidity goes. Pardon my ignorance, is the author of this pap a DU golden calf or something?

Julie

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. It's not stupid, it's
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:34 AM
Oct 2012

a bunch of greedy fucking assholes, economic conservatives (likely making over $250,000 per year), using any issue they can to justify voting for Romney.

From one comment:

"As a libertarian I don't expect Mitt to be much better on the WOD or civil liberties generally, but... THE ECONOMY."

Has nothing to do with weed.

Actually, they're stupid greedy fucking assholes.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
18. Like your style
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:44 PM
Oct 2012

papping random gibberish. Writer must have been taking too much of their own stuff.


Democat

(11,617 posts)
3. Romney would be far worse than Obama on social issues
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:31 AM
Oct 2012

Obama isn't perfect on social issues, but he's better than the alternative.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
4. Does ANYONE really believe that Romney would be better for drugs?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:33 AM
Oct 2012

As with the Supreme Court, Obama marched to the right, but Romney would sprint. The War on Drugs would go nuclear.

Neither is a good choice, but Obama is the lesser evil. Re-elect him, and pressure for a change in policy.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
6. "while I don't agree with Romney's positions on most topics"
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:36 AM
Oct 2012

this makes him a low information voter. That statement doesn't make sense for anyone that knows anything about Romney. No one knows Romney's "positions".

He is upset with Obama for sacrificing people to get re-elected. Is there anything Romney wouldn't sacrifice to get re-elected? Mitt even threw his wife's horse under the bus!

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
7. I wouldn't look for much sense in Scott Adams' musings.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:43 AM
Oct 2012

While he might have some funny observations on business/corporate culture, his personal politics are quite confusing. Essentially, he's a libertarian who hates corporations with a dose of misogyny. While his comic is usually pretty good, he's in love with the sound of his own voice and fills the net with his ramblings. His opinions are best ignored.

Today's Dilbert:

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
8. I'm proud of my President!
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:45 AM
Oct 2012

These marijuana "tokers" are dangerous to society. I'm proud that our President can see beyond his own dope-laden past and put these menaces in jail. Ruining their lives is a small price to pay in exchange for a Grand Bargain.

And, after the Grand Bargain is made, three square meals and a roof in jail will sound good to most of us.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
9. Yeah,
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 09:52 AM
Oct 2012
These marijuana "tokers" are dangerous to society. I'm proud that our President can see beyond his own dope-laden past and put these menaces in jail. Ruining their lives is a small price to pay in exchange for a Grand Bargain.

And, after the Grand Bargain is made, three square meals and a roof in jail will sound good to most of us.

...what a hypocrite!

Romney 2012!

What's your opinion on my take on the OP:

It's a bunch of greedy fucking assholes, economic conservatives (likely making over $250,000 per year), using any issue they can to justify voting for Romney.

From one comment:

"As a libertarian I don't expect Mitt to be much better on the WOD or civil liberties generally, but... THE ECONOMY."

Has nothing to do with weed.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
10. I really don't know their motivations
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:05 AM
Oct 2012

I do agree that Obama is less awful than Romney.

Do you agree that Obama is a hypocrite for imprisoning medical marijuana users? What if Obama had been jailed for his own use of pot and cocaine? Would that have been the right thing to do?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. Absolutely
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:16 AM
Oct 2012

"Do you agree that Obama is a hypocrite for imprisoning medical marijuana users? What if Obama had been jailed for his own use of pot and cocaine? Would that have been the right thing to do? "

...not! I'm not a low information voter.

Obama 2012!

uncle ray

(3,156 posts)
16. how many MMJ users has Obama imprisoned?
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:35 PM
Oct 2012

you can't count those who were busted growing 1000 plants and evading taxes. just users. the answer would be: very few.

every time someone posts this garbage about Obama being hard on MMJ, citing some case as an example, i have to wonder about the details. what other laws were they breaking? what local official or politician did they cross? who exactly, called in the DEA? most federal busts are the result of local law enforcement asking them to step in. every time a filthy restaurant is shut down, you don't hear "OMG, Obama is anti-FOOD! he doesn't want us to eat!" but anytime one of the thousands of dispensaries is shuttered for not following even their local regulations, it's all Obama's fault. he hates MMJ users.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
30. More than 800,000 marijuana arrests each year, 90% for simple posession
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 05:06 PM
Oct 2012

Last edited Thu Oct 18, 2012, 08:07 PM - Edit history (1)

The lives of many of these folks are fucked.

Not able to find a breakout of how many are medical marijuana users, or how many are incarcerated for simple possession only.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
31. I see what you did there Manny
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 07:15 PM
Oct 2012

you know folks will think you're being serious, you forgot the whatchamacallit thingy

uncle ray

(3,156 posts)
32. the vast majority of those were arrested by local authorities.
Fri Oct 19, 2012, 04:15 AM
Oct 2012

i clearly asked about Federal arrests for possession.

the Federal gov't is simply not that interested in arresting simple users.

it's quite perplexing why Obama himself would be going after pot smokers in your area, yet he allows hundreds of dispensaries and warehouse grows to continue doing business where i live.

the truth is, most of those arrests are in red states that take a very firm stance against drugs. here in Colorado, if the authorities don't like your warehouse grow, they send you a letter telling you to stop before they take action. if your locale supports MMJ, then Obama has been the best President ever for MMJ users. if anything you should be criticizing the President for allowing the MMJ trade to explode in CO, it's surviving because the profit motive is acknowledged in our laws, and the state and local gov'ts get their cut, a pretty large cut. my local independent newspaper publishes how much the city has received in sales tax each month from MMJ sales, and what services those taxes pay for, things like park maintenance which would otherwise have been cut, here in the home of TABOR. in CA, where you have to pretend to be a caregiver and not profit from your business, dispensaries are being shut down. make sure the gov't gets their cut, and you could sell murder from a storefront.

Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
13. Adams is an idiot: Romney is dead against medical marijuana
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 11:20 AM
Oct 2012
Asked about legalizing marijuana for medical use, Romney gives the standard prohibitionist response:

I would not legalize marijuana for medicinal purposes, and the reasons are straightforward: As I talk to people in my state and at the federal government level about marijuana and its role in society, they are convinced that the entry way into a drug culture for our young people is marijuana. Marijuana is the starter drug....The idea of medical marijuana is designed to get marijuana out in the public marketplace and ultimately lead to the legalization of marijuana overall. And in my view, that's the wrong way to go. I know that other people have differing views. If you'd like to get someone who is in favor of marijuana, I know there are some on the Democratic side of the aisle who will be happy to get in your campaign. But I'm opposed to it, and if you elect me president, you're not going to see legalized marijuana. I'm going to fight it tooth and nail.


http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/07/romney-vows-to-fight-marijuana-legalizat


You can argue that Obama is not better, but he's definitely not worse. Adams is a complete jerk for writing this:

Romney is likely to continue the same drug policies as the Obama administration. But he's enough of a chameleon and a pragmatist that one can't be sure. And I'm fairly certain he'd want a second term. He might find it "economical" to use federal resources in other ways than attacking California voters. And he is vocal about promoting states' rights, so he's got political cover for ignoring dispensaries in states where medical marijuana is legal.


Basically, Adams is saying "I hope Romney is lying about being totally against medical marijuana, so I'll vote for him". What a jerk.
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
14. did Obama ever have Dilbert? Because I thought he always was right/libertarian
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:03 PM
Oct 2012

I 'knew' Scott Adams 3rd hand when I worked at Digital Equipment in their software services organization. We had a joint software project going on with (was it PACbell? long time ago), Scott was on the team and Dilbert was just getting going. Our engineers used to supply him with stories that were the basis of many of his cartoons.

I vaguely remember being shocked and disappointed when I first saw his political ramblings. Irrational ramblings is what they are.

I've drafted a response to his post and am bookmarking the link so when I have time I can register and add my reply below:


If your CEO had a legal means to avoid prosecution, it probably wasn’t murder to begin with. And, as you note further on, President Obama hasn’t killed anybody to get re-elected.

However, there are many candidates in the past who have used the judicial system to kill prisoners in order to get elected, on both the Democratic and Republican sides. Furthermore, there is right now a political prisoner who did no wrong and whose life is being ruined thanks to Karl Rove’s machinations.

So in my case, your prediction is wrong.

But he is putting an American citizen in jail for 10 years to life for operating medical marijuana dispensaries in California where it is legal under state law.

My understanding is that the Americans in California were not jailed for operating medical marijuana dispensaries , but were jailed for using the dispensaries as a cover for sales without prescriptions. Now, my understand may be wrong, but if you’re going to make the claim then you need to provide the proof.

Romney is likely to continue the same drug policies as the Obama administration. But he's enough of a chameleon and a pragmatist that one can't be sure….
So while I don't agree with Romney's positions on most topics…


If Romney is such a chameleon that you can’t be sure what his policies will be, how do you know you agree with him on anything?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
15. He is a libertarian - interestingly enough he has a lot of respect for Bill Clinton.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:29 PM
Oct 2012
Adams has often commented on political matters. In 2007 he suggested that Michael Bloomberg would make a good presidential candidate.[12] Before the 2008 presidential election he said, "On social issues, I lean Libertarian, minus the crazy stuff,"[13] but said in December 2011 that if he were president he would do whatever Bill Clinton advised him to do because that "would lead to policies that are a sensible middle ground."[14] On October 17, 2012, he wrote "while I don't agree with Romney's positions on most topics, I'm endorsing him for president".[15]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Adams

progressivebydesign

(19,458 posts)
17. That is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:39 PM
Oct 2012

the President did NOT put someone in jail for the rest of their life.

Does that assbite think that Romney will be PROGRESSIVE on pot laws?? Stunning stupidity. But then again, Dilbert is a fucking 1%er, after all..

ETA: He NEVER HAD Dilbert. Dilbert is a right wing libertarian. Lost is the wrong term. you should change the headline to: Scott Adams, asshole creator of Dilbert endorses Romney.

Hutzpa

(11,461 posts)
19. Look here you dumb Dilbert
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 12:47 PM
Oct 2012

what makes you think Mitt will live up to his promise? That's why you're a crack head, easy to manipulate.

Libertarians are easy to MANIPULATE because they spend most of their time getting high with their own supply.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
20. The man got into trouble because he and employees, SOLD to undercover agents!
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 01:29 PM
Oct 2012

And his bank accounts reflected millions of dollars in non state regulated sales.

You run a State regulated marijuana business just know it. The State AND the Feds watch your every move. The Feds tempt your employees to pass over a little bit of plant matter for some easy cash. Then you're in big trouble.

Personally, I wish President Obama would totally decriminalize the plant. Use the existing agriculture laws to regulate sales. This would be the best overall boost for the economy, save huge on Federal funds and free a lot of people.

You can bet on it if Romney gets elected everyone named on those lists in all the States are low hanging fruit targets.

 

LovePeacock

(225 posts)
22. Wow. Now that's a roundabout way of saying that you're gonna support Romney.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:52 PM
Oct 2012

Just more proof that most republicans are too embarrassed to call themselves republicans. They have to find an excuse to excuse their dumb ass republican values.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
23. This is all you need to know about Scott Adams...
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 02:52 PM
Oct 2012
http://gawker.com/5792583

The guy is a fucking idiot.

And his logic ... doesn't even make sense. "I don't like what Obama is doing on Medical Marijuana ... so, I'm supporting the other guy, who's infinitely going to be harder and less open to change ... who'll also potentially appoint even more radical, anti-marijuana judges ... just to spite him!"

It's like me thinking, "Hm...Obama hasn't gotten out of Afghanistan fast enough ... so, I'm going to vote for Romney, who might keep us in there longer or go to war with Iran!"

Scott Adams is the definition of a low-information voter.

EmeraldCityGrl

(4,310 posts)
27. On the West Coast this issue is big for the
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:31 PM
Oct 2012

youth vote. The States have been handling it just fine with decriminalization. The
Feds coming in heavy handed has not been appreciated by many both Dem and moderate
Rep. There are plenty of Rep. Grannies smoking weed or using edibles for their glaucoma,
nausea due to cancer other meds or a range of medical issues.

 

LovePeacock

(225 posts)
28. It's one of those issues that will be gotten around to, but other things had to be done first.
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 03:43 PM
Oct 2012

Besides, President Obama has it bad enough that half the country hates him simply because he's black. He couldn't be the first black president, and the guy who legalized marijuana. White high-moral-ground yuppies the country over woulda crucified him.

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