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Solid Snake1

(95 posts)
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:15 PM Mar 2016

Where do Bernie supporters get the idea NY CA and AZ will go heavily for him?

When polling indicates the exact opposite. Even if he manages a 2 or 3% win its still a loss. On the other hand if Hillary win even just one of those states by 20 or more points (like polling suggests) the primaries are over and there is no realistic path to the nomination for Bernie. But I'd like to know where this idea that NY an CA are going to be Bernie blowout wins?

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Where do Bernie supporters get the idea NY CA and AZ will go heavily for him? (Original Post) Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 OP
wishful thinking. MFM008 Mar 2016 #1
Sanders talked about winning NY yesterday. I guess that's where they get that idea lunamagica Mar 2016 #2
But Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #7
But lunamagica Mar 2016 #10
This kind of posting is absolutely ridiculous. We're not children and this is not the NFL YOHABLO Mar 2016 #3
I freaking love it...It's an antidote to the Clinton bashing, implicit and explicit !!! DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #5
+1 lunamagica Mar 2016 #13
I wouldn't be so sure you aren't dealing with children. nt Snotcicles Mar 2016 #8
What? Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #12
OMG...that's exactly what they sound like. They sound like this... CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #16
That's their only chance to win. DCBob Mar 2016 #4
Bob, we all are well aware that it's a long shot CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #18
Many are in denial. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #29
I think, in general you are correct. Sheepshank Mar 2016 #56
Because it's what they wish would happen griffi94 Mar 2016 #6
Maybe the same place one-day posters think their shit-stirring won't be noticed? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #9
+1.nt Snotcicles Mar 2016 #11
+1 Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #15
CA, no way. Boxer loves her, Brown endorsed her long ago ucrdem Mar 2016 #14
Brown and the Clintons are long time adversaries in oh so many ways. Brown made Lewinsky Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #28
I was surprised, Scott Simon was surprised, but he was dead serious. ucrdem Mar 2016 #30
Boxer and Feinstein have endorsed Hillary. LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #38
It's a big state. In Los Angeles, Bernie will win big, I believe. I'm actually here and have JDPriestly Mar 2016 #42
Garcetti endorsed her in November. Jerry has unofficially endorsed her repeatedly. ucrdem Mar 2016 #43
You're a candidate - you're going to publicly predict your loss? snowy owl Mar 2016 #17
wow another hill shill hit and run. give it the fuck up people litlbilly Mar 2016 #19
What? Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #20
That won't happen ... ronnykmarshall Mar 2016 #21
Apparently nt Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #23
Wow... Punkingal Mar 2016 #48
And so far, on your first day of posting; all WE have seen is shit-stirring. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #26
Really now Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #27
There's this little thing called "nuance" that is totally lacking in your dozen or so posts today. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #31
It's not. Some are really sensitive lately. grossproffit Mar 2016 #45
straight to ignore. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #22
Um ... Michigan? Autumn Colors Mar 2016 #24
Michigan? Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #25
Michigan has an open primary and much different demographics. Garrett78 Mar 2016 #32
What is this thread really about? CobaltBlue Mar 2016 #33
Just as the title says n/t Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #40
Why do you ask ridiculous questions? demwing Mar 2016 #34
Sometimes reality is unfair, and even dispiriting. Sorry. tritsofme Mar 2016 #36
You're not sorry, and you're not objective demwing Mar 2016 #39
You're right. I'm not sorry, but I do live in a reality based community. It is over, Sanders lost. tritsofme Mar 2016 #44
You "live in a reality based community" - but you can't read? demwing Mar 2016 #46
Reading is not my strong suit I guess. But I am good at math, counting delegates especially. tritsofme Mar 2016 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Mar 2016 #35
Ignoring how badly he lost Ohio, Texas, florida beachbumbob Mar 2016 #37
I'm in California. I talk to voters. My friends all support Sanders. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #41
Ok Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #50
But thats just heresay. CA is expected to go heavily for Clinton. DJ13 Mar 2016 #54
New York is a closed primary and Sanders has not done well in closed primaries Gothmog Mar 2016 #49
Anecdotal whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #51
I dont know about NY but I think Sanders does better the further west you go. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #52
I think he will lose CA Solid Snake1 Mar 2016 #53
Hear me, now: I give him very long odds of actually getting the nomination. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #55
I will give you a serious answer. Cowpunk Mar 2016 #57
I agree with you. Not that likely but definately plausible Tom Rinaldo Mar 2016 #59
When you're behind you play up your odds hellofromreddit Mar 2016 #58
What does it matter? We're fighting an election. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #60

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
16. OMG...that's exactly what they sound like. They sound like this...
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

The Bears suck this season! Their offense is for shit!! No way they're making the playoffs!! Just give it up! You shit kittens are only embarrassing yourselves!

Dolphins all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Drop out!! Drop out!!!! You ain't gonna win!!

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
18. Bob, we all are well aware that it's a long shot
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:54 PM
Mar 2016

We're quite aware of the reality.

I don't think anyone is in denial here.

We know the political Mt. Everest we're facing.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
29. Many are in denial.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:23 PM
Mar 2016

I've read post after post from people in denial. Posts that take reality and flip it on its head. Along with false memes, contradictions, terribly misleading maps, fallacious reasoning, and so on.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
56. I think, in general you are correct.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:49 PM
Mar 2016

I do think however, that given this likely Mt. Everest reality, and then couple that with the incessant Hillary bashing, there appears to be some cog diss. It's one of the reason Hillary supporters are constantly providing stats....assuming the reality of the situation isn't honed yet. It sure feels like those who have this visceral hate for Hillary, want to damage her anyway, even if she does become the Dem nominee....doing the job for the RNC.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
6. Because it's what they wish would happen
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016

And the reality is starting to set in.
Disappointment is the natural order of things for them for a while.

Then all but a very few will put it behind them and we'll carry on from there.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. Brown and the Clintons are long time adversaries in oh so many ways. Brown made Lewinsky
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:22 PM
Mar 2016

wise cracks in 2010. Bill Clinton has a very special friendship with him.




Jerry Brown apologizes for jab at Bill Clinton's character
The Democrat makes an oblique reference to the Monica Lewinsky scandal as he tries to dismiss a new ad by Meg Whitman showing candidate Clinton accusing Brown of raising taxes while governor.
"I mean Clinton's a nice guy, but who ever said he always told the truth?" Brown told a crowd at the opening of a Democratic Party office in East Los Angeles. "You remember, right? There's that whole story there about did he or didn't he. OK, I did — I did not have taxes with this state."
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/14/local/la-me-0914-brown-clinton-20100914


Obvious love fest!

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
30. I was surprised, Scott Simon was surprised, but he was dead serious.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:28 PM
Mar 2016

I heard it last year on NPR one early January morning as I was driving up Highway 99.

LuvLoogie

(7,108 posts)
38. Boxer and Feinstein have endorsed Hillary.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:16 PM
Mar 2016

Brown has not endorsed anyone, yet. I think he's going to wait. Jerry may have a difficult past with The Clintons, but he's a stone Democrat. All other things being as is, if Jerry were 20 years younger, we'd have seen him in the race and leading.

Jerry is what Bernie could have been, had he pushed himself out of his zone. His supporters say look how far he's gotten in less than a year. But that's the point. Riding the coattails of discontent can only get you so far if you haven't got a well developed network of longtime allies. You have to rely upon right-wing crossover in open primaries to get you over the top.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
42. It's a big state. In Los Angeles, Bernie will win big, I believe. I'm actually here and have
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:37 AM
Mar 2016

done just a bit of campaigning for Bernie. The reception is unbelievably positive. I've done a lot of campaigning for other presidential candidates including Obama, and I have never seen anything like the enthusiasm and the numbers of people who are enthusiastic for Bernie.

It's quite amazing. Could just be my area of town, but I think judging from the strength of the enthusiasm that Bernie is way ahead already. And we have not officially started organizing and talking to voters yet.

One thing I notice is that the quality and the information level of Bernie supporters if very high.

Lots of lawyers, civics teachers, union leaders and young people, also writers -- people who are good with language, follow politics and are very articulate. Bernie has a strong, enthusiastic bunch of volunteers on his side.

Even on DU, you will note the high information level, thoughtfulness and verbal ability of Bernie supporters is often higher than that of Hillary supporters. Bernie supporters can tell you why they support Bernie. Hillary supporters -- less so. I think Bernie supporters in general are better informed than Hillary supporters. Hillary supporters seem to rely a lot on network news. That is my impression. I could be wrong and do not say this to offend but because I notice that it is the truth in my area and even on DU.

Bernie supporters tend to know more about, for example, history, than the Hillary supporters. There are exceptions, but in general this seems true to me.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
43. Garcetti endorsed her in November. Jerry has unofficially endorsed her repeatedly.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:52 AM
Mar 2016

Boxer goes to bat for her on national TV. And if she needs them to, they'll all hit the airwaves / wires / cables / twitterverse in June to close the deal. But I honestly don't think they'll need to do much.

p.s. it is great to hear about all that political activity in LA! I think you mentioned once that you're in Echo Park and that's my favorite part of town.


 

Solid Snake1

(95 posts)
20. What?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

So far all I have seen is Bernie supporters crying foul at every turn. For once adress the topic.

 

Solid Snake1

(95 posts)
27. Really now
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:17 PM
Mar 2016

Asking a legit question is shit stirring? But I guess thats asking too much for some who think Hillary leading 2.5 million votes and over 200 delegates is simply irrelevant because.....?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
31. There's this little thing called "nuance" that is totally lacking in your dozen or so posts today.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:41 PM
Mar 2016

Sue me.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
32. Michigan has an open primary and much different demographics.
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:44 PM
Mar 2016

And a virtual tie in NY, AZ and CA wouldn't do Sanders much good. Clinton will likely win those states easily anyway.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
34. Why do you ask ridiculous questions?
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:58 PM
Mar 2016

You don't want an answer, you want Bernie supporters to feel dispirited. Fuck that noise.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
39. You're not sorry, and you're not objective
Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:56 PM
Mar 2016

so don't waste time preaching to me about reality, when your reality is rooted in the opinion that a corrupt liar is fit to be president.

You have no credibility.

tritsofme

(17,479 posts)
44. You're right. I'm not sorry, but I do live in a reality based community. It is over, Sanders lost.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:54 PM
Mar 2016
 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
46. You "live in a reality based community" - but you can't read?
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

I'll repeat - "don't waste time preaching to me about reality, when your reality is rooted in the opinion that a corrupt liar is fit to be president. You have no credibility."

tritsofme

(17,479 posts)
47. Reading is not my strong suit I guess. But I am good at math, counting delegates especially.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:03 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders only path to the nomination runs through Fantasyland. It's over, he lost.

Response to Solid Snake1 (Original post)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
41. I'm in California. I talk to voters. My friends all support Sanders.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:31 AM
Mar 2016

We aren't officially campaigning here yet, but I have been out a few times, and the reception is overwhelming. I am a very experienced volunteer campaigner, and I have never seen anything like the enthusiasm for Bernie. Rich and poor -- for Bernie. I am just amazed by it.

Gothmog

(146,398 posts)
49. New York is a closed primary and Sanders has not done well in closed primaries
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:11 PM
Mar 2016

The states that Sanders has done well in have been open primaries

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
51. Anecdotal
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:16 PM
Mar 2016

I live in Southern California and honestly most everyone I know supports Bernie. Of course California is a huge and diverse state and my circle of friends have similar values to my own.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
52. I dont know about NY but I think Sanders does better the further west you go.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016

I suspect he will have a strong showing in CA.

 

Solid Snake1

(95 posts)
53. I think he will lose CA
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:40 PM
Mar 2016

Remember he needs to win every single remaining state from now until then by 60% margins.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
55. Hear me, now: I give him very long odds of actually getting the nomination.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 06:48 PM
Mar 2016

That said, I think Hillary's campaign, her positions, and some of her alliances (read: DWS) are positioned to play poorly on the West Coast, for several reasons.

Cowpunk

(719 posts)
57. I will give you a serious answer.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:22 PM
Mar 2016

My hope is that Arizona will end up very close, and that all seven other states leading up to New York will be wins for Bernie. Most will be large wins. I hope that by mid April, the media will begin to realize this thing is not over. I hope that with the momentum 2 weeks worth of Bernie wins will bring, he will be able to pull off an upset in New York. Not a huge win, but a substantial one. With that win under his belt, the other Atlantic states will catch fire. By the time we get to June 7th, Bernie's momentum will be unstoppable, and he cleans up on that day. That is my hope.

Go ahead and call me naïve or delusional. I knew this campaign was a long shot from the beginning. Frankly, we've done far better than I thought possible at the onset. Nothing so far has led me to believe that it's impossible that we will continue to beat the odds. The chance we were given of winning Michigan was less than one percent! As long as there is the slimmest chance of victory, I will keep on believing it can happen.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,919 posts)
59. I agree with you. Not that likely but definately plausible
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:35 PM
Mar 2016

Momentum shifts have been dramatic throughout this entire process. When Sanders gets written off it suppresses his national poll numbers, when he pulls off either an unexpected victory or one far larger than expected, his star starts rising again. New Hampshire almost set up an unexpected victory in Nevada, and doubts were being raised about Clinton that would have increased had Bernie won Nevada. Then South Carolina seemed to bury Bernie in the eye of the media - but he crept back in by winning four states during the first Super Tuesday - and then he pulled off a really dramatic upset in Michigan. Suddenly the national narrative changed again when it looked like Bernie might also do well in upcoming rust belt states. He outperformed polling averages there but came up short, and again his stock dived.

The scenario you sketch out explores what might happen if Bernie gets on an unbroken momentum roll, something that as of yet has not happened to date. I agree that it would start by exceeding expectations in Arizona and then building from there. Look at how far, how fast the polls moved in states like Michigan, and even states like Nevada and Illinois where Sanders still lost. It shows that the same could theoretically happen in a State like New York. Upsets bring excitement and excitement brings momentum and momentum brings upsets etc.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
60. What does it matter? We're fighting an election.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:37 PM
Mar 2016

Really, there are reasons to run and work for a run other than how Vegas or Gallup judge the chances. Imagine it!

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