2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhere do Bernie supporters get the idea NY CA and AZ will go heavily for him?
When polling indicates the exact opposite. Even if he manages a 2 or 3% win its still a loss. On the other hand if Hillary win even just one of those states by 20 or more points (like polling suggests) the primaries are over and there is no realistic path to the nomination for Bernie. But I'd like to know where this idea that NY an CA are going to be Bernie blowout wins?
MFM008
(19,852 posts)just because.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)He's down nearly 50 points in NY.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)They believe everything he says, even when evidence points to the contrary
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)I am asking a legitimate question.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The Bears suck this season! Their offense is for shit!! No way they're making the playoffs!! Just give it up! You shit kittens are only embarrassing yourselves!
Dolphins all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Drop out!! Drop out!!!! You ain't gonna win!!
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Reality will soon hit them like a 2x4 square in the head.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)We're quite aware of the reality.
I don't think anyone is in denial here.
We know the political Mt. Everest we're facing.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)I've read post after post from people in denial. Posts that take reality and flip it on its head. Along with false memes, contradictions, terribly misleading maps, fallacious reasoning, and so on.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I do think however, that given this likely Mt. Everest reality, and then couple that with the incessant Hillary bashing, there appears to be some cog diss. It's one of the reason Hillary supporters are constantly providing stats....assuming the reality of the situation isn't honed yet. It sure feels like those who have this visceral hate for Hillary, want to damage her anyway, even if she does become the Dem nominee....doing the job for the RNC.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)And the reality is starting to set in.
Disappointment is the natural order of things for them for a while.
Then all but a very few will put it behind them and we'll carry on from there.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He'll get a few delegates if he makes it out here but June is a long way away. At the moment RCP has Clinton up 13.5:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ca/california_democratic_presidential_primary-5321.html#polls
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)wise cracks in 2010. Bill Clinton has a very special friendship with him.
Jerry Brown apologizes for jab at Bill Clinton's character
The Democrat makes an oblique reference to the Monica Lewinsky scandal as he tries to dismiss a new ad by Meg Whitman showing candidate Clinton accusing Brown of raising taxes while governor.
"I mean Clinton's a nice guy, but who ever said he always told the truth?" Brown told a crowd at the opening of a Democratic Party office in East Los Angeles. "You remember, right? There's that whole story there about did he or didn't he. OK, I did I did not have taxes with this state."
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/14/local/la-me-0914-brown-clinton-20100914
Obvious love fest!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I heard it last year on NPR one early January morning as I was driving up Highway 99.
LuvLoogie
(7,108 posts)Brown has not endorsed anyone, yet. I think he's going to wait. Jerry may have a difficult past with The Clintons, but he's a stone Democrat. All other things being as is, if Jerry were 20 years younger, we'd have seen him in the race and leading.
Jerry is what Bernie could have been, had he pushed himself out of his zone. His supporters say look how far he's gotten in less than a year. But that's the point. Riding the coattails of discontent can only get you so far if you haven't got a well developed network of longtime allies. You have to rely upon right-wing crossover in open primaries to get you over the top.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)done just a bit of campaigning for Bernie. The reception is unbelievably positive. I've done a lot of campaigning for other presidential candidates including Obama, and I have never seen anything like the enthusiasm and the numbers of people who are enthusiastic for Bernie.
It's quite amazing. Could just be my area of town, but I think judging from the strength of the enthusiasm that Bernie is way ahead already. And we have not officially started organizing and talking to voters yet.
One thing I notice is that the quality and the information level of Bernie supporters if very high.
Lots of lawyers, civics teachers, union leaders and young people, also writers -- people who are good with language, follow politics and are very articulate. Bernie has a strong, enthusiastic bunch of volunteers on his side.
Even on DU, you will note the high information level, thoughtfulness and verbal ability of Bernie supporters is often higher than that of Hillary supporters. Bernie supporters can tell you why they support Bernie. Hillary supporters -- less so. I think Bernie supporters in general are better informed than Hillary supporters. Hillary supporters seem to rely a lot on network news. That is my impression. I could be wrong and do not say this to offend but because I notice that it is the truth in my area and even on DU.
Bernie supporters tend to know more about, for example, history, than the Hillary supporters. There are exceptions, but in general this seems true to me.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Boxer goes to bat for her on national TV. And if she needs them to, they'll all hit the airwaves / wires / cables / twitterverse in June to close the deal. But I honestly don't think they'll need to do much.
p.s. it is great to hear about all that political activity in LA! I think you mentioned once that you're in Echo Park and that's my favorite part of town.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Idiocy.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)Solid Snake1
(95 posts)So far all I have seen is Bernie supporters crying foul at every turn. For once adress the topic.
ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)Bernie is God. Bernie is great. He does not wrong.
#feelthebern
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)You have seen the light!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Solid Snake1
(95 posts)Asking a legit question is shit stirring? But I guess thats asking too much for some who think Hillary leading 2.5 million votes and over 200 delegates is simply irrelevant because.....?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Sue me.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)Well, you did ask WHERE.
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)You do realize Michigan was only a slight win, and a loss delegate wise.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)And a virtual tie in NY, AZ and CA wouldn't do Sanders much good. Clinton will likely win those states easily anyway.
CobaltBlue
(1,122 posts)Only the OP should answer.
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)You don't want an answer, you want Bernie supporters to feel dispirited. Fuck that noise.
tritsofme
(17,479 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)so don't waste time preaching to me about reality, when your reality is rooted in the opinion that a corrupt liar is fit to be president.
You have no credibility.
tritsofme
(17,479 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)I'll repeat - "don't waste time preaching to me about reality, when your reality is rooted in the opinion that a corrupt liar is fit to be president. You have no credibility."
tritsofme
(17,479 posts)Sanders only path to the nomination runs through Fantasyland. It's over, he lost.
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beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)That's how...
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)We aren't officially campaigning here yet, but I have been out a few times, and the reception is overwhelming. I am a very experienced volunteer campaigner, and I have never seen anything like the enthusiasm for Bernie. Rich and poor -- for Bernie. I am just amazed by it.
But thats just heresay. CA is expected to go heavily for Clinton.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Based on what?
Heresay.
LOL
Gothmog
(146,398 posts)The states that Sanders has done well in have been open primaries
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I live in Southern California and honestly most everyone I know supports Bernie. Of course California is a huge and diverse state and my circle of friends have similar values to my own.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I suspect he will have a strong showing in CA.
Solid Snake1
(95 posts)Remember he needs to win every single remaining state from now until then by 60% margins.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)That said, I think Hillary's campaign, her positions, and some of her alliances (read: DWS) are positioned to play poorly on the West Coast, for several reasons.
Cowpunk
(719 posts)My hope is that Arizona will end up very close, and that all seven other states leading up to New York will be wins for Bernie. Most will be large wins. I hope that by mid April, the media will begin to realize this thing is not over. I hope that with the momentum 2 weeks worth of Bernie wins will bring, he will be able to pull off an upset in New York. Not a huge win, but a substantial one. With that win under his belt, the other Atlantic states will catch fire. By the time we get to June 7th, Bernie's momentum will be unstoppable, and he cleans up on that day. That is my hope.
Go ahead and call me naïve or delusional. I knew this campaign was a long shot from the beginning. Frankly, we've done far better than I thought possible at the onset. Nothing so far has led me to believe that it's impossible that we will continue to beat the odds. The chance we were given of winning Michigan was less than one percent! As long as there is the slimmest chance of victory, I will keep on believing it can happen.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,919 posts)Momentum shifts have been dramatic throughout this entire process. When Sanders gets written off it suppresses his national poll numbers, when he pulls off either an unexpected victory or one far larger than expected, his star starts rising again. New Hampshire almost set up an unexpected victory in Nevada, and doubts were being raised about Clinton that would have increased had Bernie won Nevada. Then South Carolina seemed to bury Bernie in the eye of the media - but he crept back in by winning four states during the first Super Tuesday - and then he pulled off a really dramatic upset in Michigan. Suddenly the national narrative changed again when it looked like Bernie might also do well in upcoming rust belt states. He outperformed polling averages there but came up short, and again his stock dived.
The scenario you sketch out explores what might happen if Bernie gets on an unbroken momentum roll, something that as of yet has not happened to date. I agree that it would start by exceeding expectations in Arizona and then building from there. Look at how far, how fast the polls moved in states like Michigan, and even states like Nevada and Illinois where Sanders still lost. It shows that the same could theoretically happen in a State like New York. Upsets bring excitement and excitement brings momentum and momentum brings upsets etc.
hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Simple as that. Positive mood -> excitement -> votes.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Really, there are reasons to run and work for a run other than how Vegas or Gallup judge the chances. Imagine it!