Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will only talk to white people about how we are going to deal with these very real problems,'

Everybody knows I think white folks need to help each other because we dark folks get it. Respectfully, It is my position that I'd like you to go talk to other white people about how we are going to deal with these very real problems. Many of them are uneducated on race and need your help and would be offended if it came from me, as I get offended when it comes from them.

We on the left can discuss matters and our white allies can help us by fanning out among the white population and educate them on these very real issues. No disrespect.

We don't need to talk to black people, we need to listen to black people and then we need to talk to white people. Lord knows black people have spent centuries figuring out what white folks are talking about because their lives depended on it. White people have been in the position of not having to figure out what the oppressed are saying. Those days are rapidly coming to an end. I welcome it. It is up to white people to fix ourselves because we are not the future of the world. The times they are a changin

That's how I feel too.

to spark conversation and to explain to fellow white people what is ACTUALLY going on. I know that it smacks them across the face more (not in a violent sense; in the sense of a WAKE UP call) coming from someone of the same skin tone because then they can't claim, "Oh, there you go, playing the RACE card". NO. Here I am playing the REALITY card, so wake the fuck up and see what is going on around you. Not that I'm some "great" or "enlightened" person. I'm just doing my best to do my part to ignite SOMETHING in the sleeping masses.

Can u please clarify your question?

They said everytime Bernie Sanders mentions blacks, he's also mentioning jails. He mentions it in getting the incarceration problem fixed as it affects blacks unevenly because of racism in arrests and courts. And Black Lives Matter needs to quit mentioning how they wouldn't vote for a white man when they mention Bernie sanders. Just saying. Or, heck they can continue and do as they want. It's not doing anything for all of us whites who have supported them.

That just won't do. LGBT groups already knew that about him.

But nobody pretends she is perfect like folks do with him. Her imperfections do not fix his, so bringing her up does nothing for me. I do not love them. They are politicians. He gets very indignant and allows his staffers to say dumb stuff, like calling southern states the confederacy, but only after black voters down there gave her such huge margins.

Something is off with his entire camp, imo.

The same can be said of Hillary supporters.

But after netroots...........


I saw enough.

I should post a link or two for you cause then you'd see why I am so fierce. Hillpeeps were just as confused as everybody but me, but they quickly stfu and waited to understand the BLM movement. When they interrupted Hillary? Half her fans were cheering them on, like, so what, they gotta do what they gotta do to survive. His peeps? I aint NEVER SEEN THE LIKE. Talmbout 'we won't suuport your causes unless you disavow blm!"

the great liar. You must believe her. That's an order.

Just kidding... Hi bravenak. Good to see you out of prison... again.

TYY

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Racist nonsense directed at Sanders and his supporters.

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Love u. Please alert the jury so that admins can look at the alerter and jury, thank you, B.

Wow.

the jury system fails us all. Old days, mods would have rolled their eyes at that alert, so the alerter would have to choose between posting it publicly and taking a serious ass-whooping or saying nothing. Now, you can passive aggressively alert to the jury in complete anonymity with a pretty good chance of getting a hide (3-4 people? For a thing that Bernie Sanders actually said? Get OVER yourselves...)

I DARE the person who sent that to post it publicly and let us have our say back at you. Quit cowering. It is sneaky and weak.

Then maybe people would like him better.

Very unbecoming, but I'm not really surprised.

Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will only talk to white people about how we are going to deal with these very real problems,'

unlike some other candidates.

attention, you'd think he might want to talk to local news media in a state where he really needs to win big.

That would be jerky.

in very condescending way........

The contrast between HRC calmly dealing with a bunch of crazies ALL DAY and Bernie not being able to keep his cool for a few minutes is striking.

Respectfully, if that is your position, then I will only talk to white people about how we are going to deal with these very real problems,'

so he doesn't run into Hillary's problem of always being late and keeping people waiting.

Apparently a reporter asked an inappropriate question about Sanders' wife just prior to Bernie's exit.

http://gawker.com/bernie-sanders-walks-out-of-on-camera-interview-after-q-1765769530

on that page without continuously reloading?

Makes much more sense now!!

(I don't generally watch vids, but I did this one.)

And it was not anything like the lengthy, agitated response described a few posts up. It was a brief answer to a brief question in a series of questions. Definitely no fireworks occurred in the last several seconds of the interview.

My impression was he just had to leave. Even assuming my impression is correct, yes, it could have been handled more gracefully. But I also think the station made way too much out of it.

But I also realize not everyone will do to suit me....! ;->

These things get blown way up. Like Hillary barking. It was FUNNY. But they attack her... If I were him I'd actually ignore this little controversy.

I wanna know what they said to piss him off. It had to be a dumb ass question. Since they wont tell us I am force to think it was a bad question. But he shoulda stayed right there and fought back

I didn't see that in the excerpt posted by the station. It definitely didn't occur just before he left, unless somebody edited something.

Not that it will matter in 100 years (as my mom used to say).

The reporter went after Bernie's wife, and you could tell that really pissed him off.

Earlier today, DUers were accusing Jane Sanders of meeting with Joe Arpaio--and how could she do such a thing.

I think what all of this boils down to is this:

The media today (and many on social media) have framed the narrative about Sander's wife in a very incorrect and unfair context. They are repeatedly saying that Sander's wife met with Joe Arpaio and that she used poor judgment, etc.

Bernie is asked about his wife stopping at the tent city/Arpaio and Bernie abruptly interrupts him and says that his wife did stop at the tent city. He said it was a place that should not exist. And he reveals that Arpaio crashed her visit and showed up unannounced. Bernie seemed disgusted about this. I can only imagine what happened to Jane, most likely when Bernie was not there. Joe showed up and turned it into a shit show.

And I imagine that it was horrendously painful for Jane to see what she did. These are immigrants who have been rounded up and word is that they are living in deplorable conditions that are unfit for animals. I imagine that she was gobsmacked by the entire ordeal.

And what do you want to bet that Bernie spent some time before that interview listening to her account of what happened with Arpaio and also her description of how these immigrants were being treated and housed.

And when this reporter went after Bernie--I imagine emotion got the best of him.

He loves his wife. The world is fucked up and we're penning people like animals. And the reporter was furthering the talking points.

So, he politely told him the interview was finished.

What I saw was three or four questions (one about the tent camp, but I didn't see Bernie becoming perturbed and it was a short answer) and then Bernie got up as the reporter was asking him another question about the vice-presidency.

I'd be interested to hear the reported long answer about the tent camp, but I did not see it in the station's excerpt.

Neither do I

That's his whole attitude. He's too above the rest of us to have to speak with us.

Not the reality. I was and activist for 15 years. He never did jack for us.

It was a symbolic gesture that acknowledged their right to oppose same sex marriage.

In 1972 Bernie wrote a letter calling for the abolishment of laws making homosexuality illegal:

Bernie Sanders Was for Full Gay Equality 40 Years Ago

Today’s Supreme Court decision was a monumental moment in American history, as it guaranteed the right for gays and lesbians to get married and established full marriage equality.

Many politicians offered their words of support, including President Obama and Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

Yet it is important to remember that Obama and Clinton both opposed marriage equality as late as early 2012. It is a testament to the work of thousands of activists over decades that the political class was pulled towards supporting equality.

There is however one prominent politician who did not wait so long to call for full gay equality: Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

In a letter he published in the early 1970’s, when he was a candidate for governor of Vermont from the Liberty Union Party, Sanders invoked freedom to call for the abolition of all laws related to homosexuality:



http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago

And he didn't do jack. That's why none of the executive directors of the Human Rights Campaign have ever met him. That's why he thinks the largest LGBT organization in the country is called the Human Rights FUND instead of its real name.

He's a fraud.

You've been on DU for 15 years (whoo, that' a long time!) so i'm sure you've posted many, many threads about sanders' duplicity and mistreatment of GLBT people, yes?

Can you point me towards three of your OP's on the subject? One caveat - they've gotta be from before he announced his candidacy last year.

Thanks ahead of time for your useful contribution!

sending you something

Per people who were, as mayor he insured that unmarried (gay or straight) couples got the medical benefits.

Hey YOU weren't there either!!1!

Why do you think actual LGBT people should be grateful to him for criticizing a rethug for saying homo? We get called that every day.

Swoon, our hero, Saint Bernard, who claims he's my champion even though he never did jack for us. Whatever.

Please stop straight 'splaining to me about events where I was actually there. No, Bernie was no champion of LGBT rights. He just was not. He was the same imperious jerk who talked to that reporter.

I will tell you this. I can clearly see how he and his supporters irritate the shit out of AA people.

If that were true you wouldn't be making up stories about it.

That's why I told DU he didn't do shit for us months before the news articles came out. Bernie was a ghost to LGBT groups. Too imperious to bother to do shit, very states rights on our issues, and in no way willing to get off his ass to do anything for LGBT people.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html

And you know what? That's all fine. What is NOT fine is for him to lie his ass off about it later. I imagine AA folks feel the same way with his MLK bullshit.

Post the quote where he said he opposed marriage equality or admit you made it up.

Why won't you post the exact quote you keep claiming is in there?

Surely you must be able to type it out, after all you were there, weren't you?

I can say it fifty times...

Makes me want shake some sense into some people sometimes.

Or rip my own face off. Just, arggg!

Nothing like having folks who aren't in our shoes 'splain to us over and over that Bernie's been fighting for us all these years, even though we know better than they do who the real fighters were and it wasn't him.

This is not a really good issue for a Hillary supporter.

Pick your battles. This is not an issue on which Hillary wins.

I'm a Bernie supporter but . . . . what can I say?

This is not a good issue for Hillary. There is at least one video of her, a fairly recent video, saying that marriage is a religious rite.

It doesn't matter if you find them inconvenient.

So typical.

... and he has a 100% rating with the Human Rights Campaign. http://www.hrc.org/elected-officials/profile/senate/92#.Vuy85CmPTWO

Whoopsie That's right, the Clinton's supported that.

In fact she helped us get 9 other senators to vote against the anti marriage amendment you reference in this video. Bernie didn't do jack, of course. And stated he was against our right to marry in 2006.

It's a shame you folks keep posting this right wing bullshit edit of her speech.

The jig is up, Maggie, you've been repeatedly caught making up stories and that video completely destroys your "version" of the events.

You weren't there and you have no facts to back up your claims.

What the fuck was that supposed to accomplish? Lip service is cheap.

He voted against DADT so the military could keep kicking out LGBT people? LOL! And states rights on DOMA.

Here he is denying us marriage rights.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4550754/sanders-opposed-federal-marriage-equality-2006

As I asked below - prove it. What other political figures were in the meetings with us regarding the anti marriage amendment? If you were there that's an easy question.

Put up or shut up, BMUS.

I don't give a crap where you say you were, your stories about his "opposition" to marriage equality are bull.

How did you miss it?

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4550754/sanders-opposed-federal-marriage-equality-2006

What video are you watching?

Post the exact quote.

If you can't then obviously you must be making it up.

A: I believe marriage is a states rights issue.

In others words no, he did not support federal marriage rights. Now, as a straight person you may wish to think that is supporting LGBT marriage rights (because you don't understand this issue AT FUCKING ALL). However it's not. Hence the court cases that made federal marriage legal.

And they don't give a shit which excuse a politician used. They all had one.

What they give a shit about is him now claiming he was some sort of champion for us when he really didn't give a shit about our issues beyond saying yea or nay twice.

As I said, I imagine it's the same way AA people feel about his MLK bullshit.

Because you don't speak for all lgbt people and it's obvious that you're just going to keep making up stories no matter how times you're caught.

Hilarious.

you're in the Religion Group, doesn't it? Endless claims that someone said something, but they can never link to an actual quote, and finally come down to something like "I don't care what was actually said, this is my story and I'm sticking to it!"

They just make it up as they go along, linking to the same debunked sources like that proves they're telling the truth.

Hillary is the one who paid lip service to lgbt rights while opposing marriage equality.

I didn't need to watch the video.

Your hero never picked up the phone when LGBT groups called. That is a fact. Deal with it.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4550754/sanders-opposed-federal-marriage-equality-2006

And he was right, it wouldn't have passed.

Here's the video transcript: