are primarily discussed in meetings, tele-conferences and phone conversations. Wouldn't it be easier for you to say that you support Sanders and hate Hillary ? That would be more genuine IMO.

Or is everything on the level of a 3 year old . . . "mommy sent me to my room so she HATES me."
Things might be a little more complex in the grownup world.

He cut right through the foreplay and got to the act, not romantic but purposeful, lol.

...excuse me while I



I mean really, who do you think you're kidding here?

I sit here every day and watch Sanders supporters portray Hillary as the worst person in the world. I'm not one that believes in coincidences. It was learned recently that Ash Carter, the Secretary of Defense, was using private email for official business and guess what ? No Sanders supporter outrage. You're only fooling yourself.

They couldn't be more transparent.

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He loves the Clintons and does not love their enemies.

Is that correct?

That never used to be a prosecutable offense, never used to be.

on a lonely back road late at night last year, having fallen asleep at the wheel and crashed the car.

See mens rea.

Caveat emptor.

Thank you in advance.

Thanks for playing.

Did you know there's a tsunami of environmental and therefore social catastrophe fast heading our way, and that that's not a priority for your candidate?

Events contunue to unfold, as we shall see in the coming days/weeks/months.

Honestly, neither you nor I nor any here have all the relevant information at our fingertips in relation to this matter, and nor should we, since matters of National Security are involved - the National Security of your country, certainly, and perhaps of others, including mine.

Thanks for agreeing that Ms. Clinton has demonstrated poor judgement, though, and not exactly on some lonely back road but at a very prominent level.

I now see referenced in this DU thread.

Read it at Cornell U here.

I will defer to the former Democratic chief counsel to the House Judiciary Committee and not this or that internet lawyer.

rather than "knowingly". As I said, a job for the relevant professionals.

Some partisans and pundits trying to find a way around this obstacle are hoping to find a way to convict without the requisite knowledge and intent, perhaps by arguing that negligence should be good enough. But the deeper they dig into antiquated and inapt statutes involving the theft of battle plans and the like the more obvious it becomes that no crime was committed here. And all the wishful thinking in the world from opportunist political opponents can’t change that.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/21/clinton-email-state-server-column/32042775/

Caput inter nubila condit. (She has her head in the clouds).

This ring is bigger than any of us. Let's just wait and see for a while...

I will leave it to fair and unbiased readers to ascertain who has faith in himself and the positions he stakes out and who doesn't.

I don't have that many hills I would die on but my word is one of em.

Seen it before. No payoff will ever occur.

of Hillary's public service so called... Plenty of other examples of "Poor Judgement" on her part... Vote FOR Iraq War... Libya, Honduras... Coup... for starters... Benghazi...

And these are by people who worked as diplomats and yet, I watch all the Hillary supporters dismiss it out of hand. And that without any counter argument at all. You have little anecdotes and think that explains away everything. There was a great video by a guy who did address things like that, as Colin Powell using private email. What he noted was that while many officials may use a private email account on a few occassions, he used the example of someone emailing something to themselves on their private email account, Hillary conducted ALL of her business, both SOS and foundation for 4 years on that private server. And somehow, the fact that someone used it occassionally is all you need to hear.
No, my friend it is YOU who are fooling yourself. I'd say to look in that looking glass of yours and you will see that it is your infatuation with Hillary that has totally blinded your vision.

You interested?

but rather bad judgement.

I was a little surprised to find that she was, maybe still is, so un-tech savvy, but there you have it.

it doesn't answer the original question.

Lots of emails, does not mean they are classified. Hillary has stated she is not very tech savvy, which can mean a lot of things. Since she's such a policy wonk, I assumed she was on top of the technology too, but apparently not. I understand you have an agenda.

One you apparently don't know the answer to, but thanks anyway.

Have a nice day. I won't be responding to this nonsense again.

No one has.

YOU said that Hillary said she rarely used email.
He said that there were LOTS of emails on her server. . . and that IMPLIES that she did use lots of email.

And your counter was that that didn't mean they were classified. WTF?
He did not say they were classified. He just said that the FACT that there were LOTS of them on that server MEANT that she had obviously done LOTS of emailing on it.

There was a high-low system to transmit sensitive information and if the information was known to be sensitive at the time it was sent over the high system.

To paraphrase Sinclair Lewis " never attempt to get somebody to believe something their whole world view depends on not believing."

Your post is non responsive.

Her supporters seem to think this kind of poor decision making is OK. I think it makes her purposely dangerous.

It's just that she was dependant on personal devices and was very unfamiliar with PC's or laptops.

in this 5-minute clip from a year ago:

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/nsy1a2/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-on-her-majesty-s-secret-server

But, hey, if that's all ya got!

... boasting that she owns "an iPad, an iPad Mini, an iPhone, and a Blackberry."

Here is that clip in its full "non-comedy" context, if you prefer:

Re/code Interview (2/24/15)

My husband and I have every device imaginable, and I have to constantly ask him how to work the damn things. I know you guys are desperately hoping the FBI will indict our DEMOCRATIC FRONT RUNNER, but it ain't gonna happen. Meanwhile, maybe you can keep clutching your super delegate fantasy. Anything that gets you through the night, I guess

agents working on her emails.

It wasn't marked classified because headings were stripped, and in the case of emails that she initiated, she had chosen not to put headings on them.

The real question is how did her pal, banned by the white house Sid Blumenthal, get his hands on top secret, signal intelligence within a few hours of it having been put on the classified system by the CIA.

Somebody leaked that intel. Something big was going on there, and not a good thing.

Of course, in her position and with the training she'd received, she should have recognized it was top secret info and reported it. So whatever underground network they had going, using her position as SOS to do whatever dirty business they were up to, the entire thing needs to be uncovered and cleaned out.

That is why there are 100-150 top FBI agents plus Justice dept. lawyers on this, and why Comey is staying very close to the investigation.

That is why Lynch said the WH needs to not be commenting on the investigation.

That is why Joshua whatsiname clarified that the WH has NOT been given ANY reports or updates on the status of the investigation (versus the misleading statement that they hadn't been told Clinton is a target, implying that they had been updated, etc.).

Her explanation is that the emails in question were retroactively classified, and weren't flagged as classified at the time they were sent and received.

My question is, how did she receive and send classified information for 4 years that WAS marked as such at that time.

during the normal course of her day to day duties as SOS, right?

How?

And if she didn't send/receive this info via email, as she states, how did she?

This seems to be a difficult concept for some to grasp.

Unfortunately, it is one which we will probably never hear answered.

Not being snarky but we've been doing the top secret thing before email.

Top Secret, no.

So is that how classified information is passed along now? Using email is the method used by different agencies?

State has such a system. She just chose not to use it.

I believe Hillary when she said that classified information was distributed in other forms than emails.
Snowden and Manning whether you support their action or not did far more damage to classified information than Hillary's emails or server. Seems pretty incredible how easily that information was made public.

I don't see how you can separate the issues.

It is done by courier, face-to-face, via secured telephone lines, diplomatic pouch, etc.

This obsession with the emails is really silly. While some may think that emails are the only way to communicate, there are many other, more secure ways to transmit sensitive information, so the fact that Hillary Clinton may not have used email to send such information is hardly surprising.

Classified, Top Secret, etc.

Classified can and is transmitted electronically. It doesn't have to be, but it can, as opposed to Top Secret cannot.

other ways to transmit such information, so the fact that Secretary Clinton didn't send or receive it by email probably means she obtained and communicated it in other ways.

within hours of it being sent marked on the classified info.

1. How did Sid get hold of top secret/sig intel available only on the classified system

2. How did Hill not recognize it as top secret intel? They are trained to recognize it. This wasn't "gray area" info being "overclassified" after the fact. This was top secret, CIA data available only on the classified system, apparently leaked to Sid. How did this happen?

You're missing the point

Probably because he was in direct contact with the same foreign officers who supplied the intel. Just because our government deems Intel "classified" does not prevent the British and Israeli officials from speaking to others about it. In at least one instance Blumenthal himself passed on information to the government that was later classified. Also the information wasn't only in the U.S. CIA system. It was classed as "Top Secret" because the original source was a foreign official. Sen Feinstein and Sen. Mikulski have both issued statements about this dispelling much of the argument and nothing that "we are discussing foreign intelligence that had previously been published in foreign press.

one or more of the 30,000 emails she erased...

The FBI agents are on it because it involved sorting through tens of thousands of emails with living eyes.

Clinton was trained as a lawyer at a very good school, and she is very interested in and knowledgeable of how boundaries of legality (and loopholes) work. I don't say that as a criticism, I say that as a reason why I don't think she'd walk into a serious legal mistake.

I'm not so sure that the people around her have that same level of understanding.

If anyone gets into legal trouble I would expect it to be the aides who either less well understood, or who believed that Clinton as Secretary had discretion to do things outside the normal limits. That's been something of a repeating pattern for people close to the Clintons.

That is what I'm asking.

Seriously, this is Emailgate 101. Are you new to the details of this manufactured controversy?

she never once was given or transmitted classified data?

Let me say it slower.

I am conceding the emails in question were classified after the fact.

I am asking about the data that was classified AT THAT TIME, that she KNEW was classified.

How did she send and receive that information outside of her email account?

then I'm sure there's a local library that can help you with your research.

is just a "manufactured controversy".

This is a distraction. Some material is born classified. And SoS people are trained to recognize material that will eventually become classified. If Clinton is using this as a defense, then she is admitting to be incompetent, incapable of recognizing material that would be designated classified.

Hillary Clinton never improperly sent classified material. Period.

Keep carrying that right-wing talking point though, I'm sure it'll help Sanders win those primaries coming up!

That information comes from people who have worked in the foreign service, Department of State, military who have experience working with classified information. Not every criticism of the Clintons originates from the right. And ffs, this isn't about Bernie. This is a serious matter - the FBI doesn't open criminal investigations on the basis of right-wing talking points. If this was a Congressional investigation, then you would likely have a point. But it isn't, so dismissing this matter as a political witch hunt is way off point.

Classification and convert to a format that could be sent via email.

it's a whole big flaming paper bag of shit on Obama's door step. And someone has rung the door bell.

Unless it was forwarded by Hillary's staff.

win-win

"win-win"

Clinton is. I doubt much will come of it, but that's the reality.

being SoS that all correspondence would be needed to be considered classified. What harm is it to be careful?????

that providing a reasonable answer to the original question would go a long way in convincing people that classified information wasn't knowing transmitted via her private email account.

A simple "no, she viewed and sent classified this data <insert method> this way instead."

But alas.

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That would mean Obama's DOJ is in on the ever-expanding vast rw conspiracy against the inevitable one.

Clearing her is far better than leaving doubt or the appearance of "protecting" her.

It's so obvious.

Next you're going to tell me this wasn't all initiated by just another right-wing witch hunt in Congress.

the investigation is ongoing.

Clearly nobody cares, except the GOP and Bernie supporters. The desperate duo!

a .gov email address either.

There is another system for classified info but I don't recall what it is called. I believe she/they have to go into a particular place.

Also, the State Department sends and receives cables (classified). They run through the Department of Defense system. You will recall that Chelsea Manning downloaded and released 250 thousand of them.

been said repeatedly on tv, newspapers,magazines and DU that classified info can not be sent on .gov accounts.

and make the info unpaper/nonpaper and send it via email...

and/or perhaps urgent and it needed to be sent out and couldn't wait for the fax system to be fixed.

She was the SOS and she had the authority to make decisions like that to override the standard procedures if the situation warranted.

that you contort in to try to explain her actions, perhaps you can try again. The email about unpaper/nonpaper was specifically about classified information - hence why it had to be sent over the secure fax and they had issues getting it to her. Sheesh.

when if fact its more likely a mundane routine occurrence.

that you lose sight that maybe just maybe one or two of the issues are real and not some right-wing conspiracy.

...and are very afraid.

Don't be surprised.

Silly prole were not supposed to ask questions like that

if you want to send a personal note to Hillary Clinton about the agenda for next week's meeting, you'd use an e-mail. If you're transmitting an assessment of the Afghan elections, you'd send a cable.

It's not complicated at all, notwithstanding the effort to make it more than it is...

DoS's cable system is completely separate from emails (though now there's an Outlook client for them), and just like with emails you need a compartmentalized computer to read classified ones.