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riversedge

(70,201 posts)
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:39 PM Mar 2016

"But Sanders supporters were screaming bloody murder when they assumed it would be Clinton who’d be


It is rather a long article--hard to cut down

http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2016/03/sanders-clinton-superdelegates-and-the-double-standard-in-the-democratic-primary.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Sanders, Clinton, superdelegates and the double standard in the Democratic primary

Michael A. Lindenberger Follow Lindenberger Email mlindenberger@dallasnews.com

Published: March 18, 2016 6:51 am



Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton debated in Las Vegas way back in October. (File Photo/The New York Times)

There’s a double standard in the Democratic race for president, and it’s something we might as well talk about now rather than later. It’s the same double standard that dogged the 2008 Democratic nomination contest, and it’ll likely be something Hillary Clinton will have to deal with for as long as she stays in public life.
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But there’s another reason for the double standard and we ought to use the word for it. That word is sexism.

How do we know there’s a double standard?

Let’s start with the night she lost to Bernie Sanders in Michigan by 1.5 percent of the vote. ..................
True, earlier in the evening she had beaten Sanders so badly in Mississippi that he failed to win a single county. She won by a 2-1 ratio. The next morning she was ahead by 30 more delegates than she had been.

Nevertheless, his surprise victory in Michigan was hailed repeatedly as the largest upset in modern political history, and as a near-certain game changer in the race for the nomination.

The latter assumption was tested almost immediately, when she squared off with Sanders March 15 in the hugely important states of Florida, Ohio, Illinois, Missouri and North Carolina. She won overwhelmingly in Florida, Ohio and North Carolina — and for good measure beat Bernie in Missouri and Illinois, too.

Few had predicted anything like a five-state sweep, with a 2-to-1 victory in Florida. If she didn’t clinch the nomination, she’s made Sanders’ job enormously difficult.

In face of all this, most commentators politely credited the results a “very nice night” for the former secretary of state. (Not every one even saw it that way. Writer Tom Cahill allowed his byline to be attached to a story that ran under this headline: Bernie Sanders Had a Phenomenal Night — Here’s why.)

Maybe that’s not because she’s a woman. Double standards work in mysterious ways. But let’s talk superdelegates. ......................


But the idea that Clinton was relying on her old connections to steal, if needed, the nomination from outsider Sanders was just too good a story, even if plenty of folks routinely knocked it down. It fed the narrative, as we storytellers like to say.

So it caught me by surprise to catch excerpts of Sen. Sanders’ interview with Rachel Maddow on Thursday. She asked how he felt about a losing candidate using superdelegates to catapult into the lead at the convention.

Without a shred of irony, he said he’d be willing to do just that. She asked him twice more, pressing, and he said sure.

............................

But Sanders supporters were screaming bloody murder when they assumed it would be Clinton who’d be stealing their guy’s thunder, even though she’s never actually made that case like Sanders did last night
. I don’t know if they reacted that way because they had bought into that super-sexy narrative of Clinton the crook, or if — aware of the power of that story line — they sought to feed the beast.

But no matter what explains their position, they ought to retract their statements using the superdelegates to attack her legitimacy. Or they can urge Sanders to disavow his from last night.

I won’t wait for either. As I think I’ve mentioned, there’s a double-standard in this race, and it’s nothing new..................
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"But Sanders supporters were screaming bloody murder when they assumed it would be Clinton who’d be (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2016 OP
Lost me at the word sexism.... Armstead Mar 2016 #1
Sexism is so pervasive in our society that we often don't even see it when it's BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #25
Yes--and there are none so blind as those who flat out refuse to see this. MADem Mar 2016 #2
K&R rock Mar 2016 #32
I'm not sure it is Sexism Trenzalore Mar 2016 #3
Perhaps you have a good point. riversedge Mar 2016 #21
Trying to flip superdelegates in your favor. #BernieSanders is IN THE BARGAINING STAGE riversedge Mar 2016 #4
+++1 Million!!! nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #5
I'm thinking maybe testing instead? Lucinda Mar 2016 #12
HAHAHA, so true! MoonRiver Mar 2016 #37
Sorry no credibility when claiming sexism SwampG8r Mar 2016 #6
Thank goodness I and Hillary supporters do not need your opine to riversedge Mar 2016 #8
Nor i yours SwampG8r Mar 2016 #9
I pretend that too when it's inconvenient to my biases. LanternWaste Mar 2016 #35
If someone looks at Hillary cross eyed you claim sexism. It's embarrassing. Vinca Mar 2016 #7
Your post is embarrassing since you claim to be a Democrat but do not see sexism riversedge Mar 2016 #11
You know what I see? Sexism coming from you and other Hillary supporters. Vinca Mar 2016 #18
Of course you do rock Mar 2016 #33
You are the one with the problem. Vinca Mar 2016 #36
Clinton's entire campaign is based on old connections. Orsino Mar 2016 #10
Your first two sentences are one of the big reasons I'm supporting Clinton Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #14
Sanders is using the Dem Party as a door mat for his agenda riversedge Mar 2016 #15
BINGO!!! NT Jitter65 Mar 2016 #28
Wtf does that mean? ProfessorPlum Mar 2016 #30
Clinton's too. Orsino Mar 2016 #38
What they recently railed against is now a righteous goal. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #13
And to add to the hypocrisy.... LisaM Mar 2016 #16
Or maybe it's just plain old dishonest. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #17
K AND R! JaneyVee Mar 2016 #19
k&r DesertRat Mar 2016 #20
Sanders supporters believe it's the voting machines CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #22
'He can't use superdelegates, that's Hillary's thing!' vintx Mar 2016 #23
KICK! Cha Mar 2016 #24
what a surprise. Sanders supporters are hypocrites. Lil Missy Mar 2016 #26
I don't understand the double standard ProfessorPlum Mar 2016 #27
Super delegates do not have to support anyone except whom they think will be the best candidate. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #29
Naivete. Not Sexism Bad Thoughts Mar 2016 #31
I don't think it's sexism, just good old fashioned unprincipled hypocrisy nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #34
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
1. Lost me at the word sexism....
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:44 PM
Mar 2016

There was almost half a point about double stabndards.

Regarding that half a point, it's not contradictory to complain about the superdelegate process early on, and also try to use that process if necessary.

If one think its wrong because it give a candidate an advantage, it is still not contradictory to at least convince some of those superdelagates to change their minds if the otehr factors change.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
25. Sexism is so pervasive in our society that we often don't even see it when it's
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 04:48 AM
Mar 2016

right under our noses. And it's constantly there, a low hum that keeps our patriarchal system alive.

And yes, it is completely hypocritical to scream about the unfairness of SD's and then sit quietly without a peep when it's YOUR candidate doing it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. Yes--and there are none so blind as those who flat out refuse to see this.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:52 PM
Mar 2016

It's no different from those people who believe that there's no real racism in the world anymore, because, ya know, civil rights and all!!!!!!!

Women, like other "minorities" (even though they are the majority in terms of numbers, they are the minority in terms of power distribution) have to work TWICE as hard to get HALF the credit.

If women ever come to understand their full power, there are going to be a few people (the "privileged few" quite bluntly) who are going to get a serious wake up call. Paradigms will fall.

It's past time.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
3. I'm not sure it is Sexism
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 01:55 PM
Mar 2016

However there is definitely a bit of hypocrisy coming from the Sanders campaign now that they are significantly behind with the talks of trying to switch pledged delegates and appealing to the Super Delegates.

Michigan hadn't had a primary that was competitive since 1992 so every pollster didn't have a reliable model built to project who would turnout. The press had used this bad polling and had egg on their face so they played it off as some kind of come behind miracle when in reality they didn't poll the state properly to begin with. I don't view the Michigan coverage as sexism as much as I view it as the press covering their collected asses for relying on bad polls.

riversedge

(70,201 posts)
4. Trying to flip superdelegates in your favor. #BernieSanders is IN THE BARGAINING STAGE
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:07 PM
Mar 2016


y Mar 18

Trying to flip superdelegates in your favor. #BernieSanders is now in the bargaining stage. #ImWithHer #HillYes





riversedge

(70,201 posts)
8. Thank goodness I and Hillary supporters do not need your opine to
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:50 PM
Mar 2016

to determine what is sexism or not.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
35. I pretend that too when it's inconvenient to my biases.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:23 AM
Mar 2016

I pretend that too when it's inconvenient to my biases.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
18. You know what I see? Sexism coming from you and other Hillary supporters.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:58 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary isn't carping and whining and claiming she's being treated differently. Thank heavens for that. If a person is going to run for POTUS they have to be strong and ignore things that don't matter. I think she is strong. Stronger than most men who might run for the office. Sadly, many of her supporters are trying to diminish her, making her out to be "the poor, victimized woman." It's embarrassing. If the media, for example, doesn't treat her with great gusto, it's because it's been assumed she would be the Democratic nominee since 2008. If she wins a race, it was expected. If Bernie wins, it wasn't and that generates more excitement.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
36. You are the one with the problem.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:33 AM
Mar 2016

You insist on seeing Hillary as a poor, victimized woman when she is exactly the opposite. Any woman running for this office cannot be associated with the "tender flower" mindset you exhibit.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
10. Clinton's entire campaign is based on old connections.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:56 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders' isn't. It's therefore been uphill all the way.

The double standard in the primary isn't the one you're looking for.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
38. Clinton's too.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

I think both candidates come to us via side streets, Sanders as a semi-outsider/socialist and Clinton as an insider side-stepping cultural bias agains women.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. What they recently railed against is now a righteous goal.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 06:35 PM
Mar 2016

It's been a pattern with some of his supporters. It's now from the top guy himself. All is fair in politics.

LisaM

(27,805 posts)
16. And to add to the hypocrisy....
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:11 PM
Mar 2016

People were complaining when her super delegates were even added to her totals. They didn't want them to exist at all! Now they want to take them?

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
23. 'He can't use superdelegates, that's Hillary's thing!'
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 01:04 PM
Mar 2016

'sexism'

Allow me to refresh your memory

How the DNC Helps Clinton Buy Off Superdelegates
As floodgates open to donations from special interests, the future of the party is auctioned to the highest bidder
http://observer.com/2016/02/how-the-dnc-helps-clinton-buy-off-superdelegates/


If you think anyone is going to mind Bernie pleading with superdelegates to help prevent the Clinton cash machine from further aiding the RW drift of the entire party you are dead wrong.

ProfessorPlum

(11,256 posts)
27. I don't understand the double standard
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:26 AM
Mar 2016

The winning candidate needs super delegate support on the Democratic side. Every path to victory assumes super delegates supporting the winner of the won delegates. This has to happen at some point. Bernie is just saying if it starts happening earlier, that's fine with him.

The objection that Sanders supporters have to counting the super delegates now is acting like they are cast in stone, when in fact they haven't voted yet and will vote last. There is no double standard.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
29. Super delegates do not have to support anyone except whom they think will be the best candidate. nt
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:36 AM
Mar 2016

Bad Thoughts

(2,522 posts)
31. Naivete. Not Sexism
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:02 AM
Mar 2016

Every four years a bunch of newly politically active individuals discovers, often to their horror, something called "superdelegates." It has nothing to do with the gender of the candidates.

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