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JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 12:55 AM Feb 2012

Catholic candidates at Ash Wednesday debate

No ash smudges on Newt's and Rick's foreheads?

Stephen Colbert had one on his.

After the two of them have been wearing their religion on their sleeves in recent weeks -- particularly through the contraception controversy, particularly with Newt claiming if Obama is elected, he will destroy the Catholic Church on Day One -- I would've thought Rick and Newt would do what devout Catholics are supposed to do on Ash Wednesday.

Political expediency seems to be the determining factor.

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Catholic candidates at Ash Wednesday debate (Original Post) JaneQPublic Feb 2012 OP
Or the tv/makeup people? elleng Feb 2012 #1
Are you kidding me? catnhatnh Feb 2012 #2
No, I am not kidding you. elleng Feb 2012 #5
Its not just a Catholic mark. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2012 #13
Colbert has TV makeup people, too. JaneQPublic Feb 2012 #4
I did not 'complain' about you 'complaining' about it; elleng Feb 2012 #7
I think Santorum had them on earlier in the day... Drunken Irishman Feb 2012 #3
Trivial. emilyg Feb 2012 #6
So trivial you stated this sentiment twice. JaneQPublic Feb 2012 #8
No, JaneQ, emilyg didn't state it twice; elleng Feb 2012 #9
No Maam... catnhatnh Feb 2012 #10
I am not Catholic; I am married to a Catholic, elleng Feb 2012 #11
You know. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2012 #15
Not a sacrament, but sacramental, like holy water. JaneQPublic Feb 2012 #16
This I know. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2012 #17
You've posted three times on this topic. JaneQPublic Feb 2012 #19
I got ashes in the emilyg Feb 2012 #12
Bullshit catnhatnh Feb 2012 #14
Perhaps they took showers before getting dressed for the debate? n/t rox63 Feb 2012 #18

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
2. Are you kidding me?
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:08 AM
Feb 2012

This is a catholic mark. You is or ain't. If you is "Catholic" it ain't optional. It is an object of faith. They didn't display it because it is a minority religious sign. As an ex-catholic either declare your faith or deny it.

elleng

(131,041 posts)
5. No, I am not kidding you.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:15 AM
Feb 2012

I know what it is, and I know it is retained until it wears off. Assuming they obtained it earlier today, it is reasonable to think it has worn off. I have no interest in suggesting they deliberately didn't display it for some unknown reasons.

I don't play their games, and hope that DUers and other Dems don't either.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
13. Its not just a Catholic mark.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:42 AM
Feb 2012

Liturgical Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists all observe this tradition.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
4. Colbert has TV makeup people, too.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:10 AM
Feb 2012

You feel this is not "real crap" worthy to complain about, yet you took time to complain about my complaining about it.

Funny, that.

elleng

(131,041 posts)
7. I did not 'complain' about you 'complaining' about it;
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:31 AM
Feb 2012

I simply noted it.
'Real crap' includes all the b.s. and lies the repugs spewed tonight.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
8. So trivial you stated this sentiment twice.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:39 AM
Feb 2012

But seriously, these guys Newt and Rick are supposedly so friggin devout in their religion they're demanding that women who aren't even Catholic be deprived of basic insurance coverage for contraception if their boss is Catholic. YET, these guys can choose to ignore Catholic teachings and rituals for themselves when doing so is inconvenient to THEM!

I do NOT think this is trivial, but rather it exemplifies the basic hypocrisy of these people who seem to think they'e running for Pope instead of president.

elleng

(131,041 posts)
9. No, JaneQ, emilyg didn't state it twice;
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:50 AM
Feb 2012

I responded several times: elleng.

I am not willing to say they 'choose to ignore Catholic teachings and rituals' for the reason you suggest, and would much rather spend our time and efforts on substantive matters; there are plenty of them.

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
10. No Maam...
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:07 AM
Feb 2012

It don't fade away.You are catholic or are not. My people have marks on their heads. Deliberately taking the mark off is denying your faith and two supposed "Catholics" did that tonight

elleng

(131,041 posts)
11. I am not Catholic; I am married to a Catholic,
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:13 AM
Feb 2012

and have numerous Catholic friends and relations. There is no evidence that the two are denying their faith, and I wouldn't suggest they are, unlike repugs who suggest similar things about President Obama.
You do NOT know that two Catholics DELIBERATELY took the mark off tonight.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
15. You know.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:49 AM
Feb 2012

There is no rule saying how long they must stay on, and no rule saying you must get them in the first place, they aren't a sacrament. Who knows they could have had them sprinkled on their heads instead.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
16. Not a sacrament, but sacramental, like holy water.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:33 AM
Feb 2012

From Wiki:

The liturgical imposition of ashes on Ash Wednesday is a sacramental, not a sacrament, and in the Catholic understanding of the term the ashes themselves are also a sacramental. The ashes are blessed according to various rites proper to each liturgical tradition, sometimes involving the use of Holy Water. In some churches, they are mixed with a small amount of water[9] or olive oil,[10] which serve as a fixative. In most liturgies for Ash Wednesday, the Penitential psalms are read; Psalm 51 (LXX Psalm 50) is especially associated with this day.[11] The service also often includes a corporate confession rite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_wednesday

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
17. This I know.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:56 PM
Feb 2012

And like I said there is no rule about wearing it. In Europe they just sprinkle the ashes on your head, you can request your priest do the same here. Its a non issue and considering there are so many variables, its not really worth anyone's time.

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
19. You've posted three times on this topic.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:11 PM
Feb 2012

Your words say it's not worth anyone's time, yet your actions say it is.

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