so Johnson doing well isn't insane but I admit 10% seems pretty high.

Can Johnson pull anything even close to that number in Ohio? Just curious.

but I just don't see how R can make up the 3:1 early voter gap that O has.

That's why I'm getting a kick out of the doomsayers and pollsters like Gallup.

I just sit back, look at Ohio and Nevada and just smile

And O's got Wisconsin and Michigan. Probably NH as well.

MI, PA, OH, WI, and IA for the win.

Sub in Nevada for Iowa and/or Colorado for Wisconsin and still a winner.
New Hampshire is useless except to throw it into the House unless Romney and Obama trade Ohio-North Carolina - then New Hampshire becomes really important.

Gravis is what Gallup would be if Gallup had a small budget.

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half the price of a confederate dollar.

So if they are still showing Obama ahead, even narrowly, that's good for Obama's OHIO average.

They had Romney ahead by 1 point last week.

Doesn't bode well for the Romney "surge" meme.

Looks like everyone has Doug's number. However, someone on there is giving the KosKids credit for exposing Gravis.

Nice one Doug Kaplan. I have issues with Gallup, sometimes I have issues with Rasmussen and ARG. But Gravis is fake. Still, it is hilarious. And Johnson at 10%? Ross Perot couldn't even pull #'s like that in.

It is all good for a laugh, isn't it? Obama must be doing well in Ohio, even fake Gravis says so!

They have not released the polls they had promised yet and it's late now in Florida.

These numbers match a questionable (fake?) poll published Gravis Marketing on September 24.
[link:http://www.scribd.com/doc/106848007/Report-Ohio-Sep-21-22-2012-1|
http://www.scribd.com/doc/106848007/Report-Ohio-Sep-21-22-2012-1 ]

+1 Gravis = +5 or more from anyone else, most likely

They could have Obama up +10, Romney up +5, Obama up +1 or whatever. They are a bucnh of hucksters. They do not CALL ANYBODY.

Irresponsible OP, as usual.

The problem is that we don't know which pollsters are trustworthy and we are not.

Usually we would rely on the big polling firms to reference as the most accurate and credible.

But now you have Gallup showing Romney up by 7, AND at the same time you have NBC/Marist showing Obama up by 5-7 in key swing states.

So which one of these polling firms is correct?

As for Gravis, well they call themselves a polling firm but as many have pointed out they are a handful of people with a computer set to robocall voters and report the numbers, Can we really trust a polling firm this small?

For crying out loud, I can configure my computer to call voters randomly and then release numbers and call myself a pollster.

Will anyone find me credible if I did this?


Lastly, by the end of the elction, there are going to be more than a few polling firms that will become the laughing stock because the recent polling of every firm contradicts other polling by wide margins.

Usually, you should have polling differing by a few points atrributed to noise, YET at the moment we have such wide gaps in polling that it makes no sense.

That's why SOME in the media run with the Gallup nonsense, when it fact, it's pretty meaningless.

What nonsense. I'm sure the state will be close, but a little known third party candidate polling double digits? Yeah, that's about as credible as that useless Gallup poll earlier.