I'm not aware of ANY DUer who supported it.

I'm in agreement with you.

And the Gulf war.

I caught a lot of flack from friends and co-works for not supporting the war.

I don't have the answers, but I want peace and Europe not to be flooded.

Is one of the causes of the million refugees. Without the war, ISIS wouldn't have been able to take hold as it has.

agree

One of whom now brags about her "foreign policy experience" and calls the killings a "mistake".

Some mistakes you can't do over.

That's why I don't understand people like Hillary voting for it. It was so obvious it was based on lies.

I support Armistice Day NOT Veterans Day

that should have been used to repair our country, the wounded and those with post traumatic stress
will be with us for decades. You want photos of the maimed children?
And your answer is "so?"
Hillary supporters must own her positions. Her speech today at the AIPAC does not bode well
for peace in the ME.

statement that Hillary voted for the war.

I can support someone even if I disagree with something.

a small issue. I can excuse a minor disagreement or two, but the invasion was a HUGE thing.
Impossible to overlook or excuse.

the decisions that they make? Like you would vote to send thousands of American to die and see that only as a disagreement????

And no, Bernie ain't it.

choice. Soooo I'm not really sure how to talk to you.

No, I did not. I did not even use language of that kind. So it seems you're the one is not being honest.

I've been perfectly honest in my replies. But let me summarize it for you again.

I disagreed with the Iraq War.

I'm not an idiot - I'm well aware that Hillary voted for it, so when someone mentioned it to me, my response was "so?" since it was not exactly news to me.

I can support a candidate who has made a decision I strongly disagreed with.

(I am also aware that her vote was not a simplistic one, but Bernie folks have not so far seemed interested in hearing the nuances when the topic came up in other threads, so why bother even bringing that up?)

There is no perfect candidate. Hillary is not perfect. Bernie is not perfect. I prefer Hillary for a multitude of reasons that have nothing to do with this thread.

HONEST enough for you?

So you've weighed the multitude of reasons you like Hillary off the multitude of human lives her decisions have cost and not found that reason to MAYBE look at the other candidate in the race?

I'm not saying Bernie Sanders is perfect, but I know he won't send us to war simply to change a regime.

Reading comprehension is a good thing.

I said, "point me to a PERFECT candidate...Bernie ain't one."

How in heaven's name does that translate into the phrase "Bernie is not a reasonable choice"? He's a completely reasonable choice. He's just not a PERFECT choice, just like Hillary isn't. And he happens not to be my choice.

And did I say that I did not look at the other candidates in the race? No, I did not. So you are putting words in my mouth...again.

And to blame Hillary alone for the lives lost in the war is simply incomprehensible to me. Do you blame Bernie for the lives lost in the Afghanistan war? For the lives lost in gun violence?

They all have compromised voting records.

Then please explain her vocal support for the war on the floor of the Senate and the fact that she never once reviewed the intelligence brief provided to members of Congress. I'm sorry, but that vote is a big deal to me, admittedly because I am a combat veteran and I have friends and family who were directly impacted by that conflict. There was no real nuance in her vote for the Iraq war, and, given the content of the released emails from her time as SOS, I view her "mistake" categorization as a laughable slap in the face of reality. She voted for the war to "look tough"...as SoS, she wanted a bigger presence in Iraq to secure lucrative business deals. If that's the type of complexity you seek, then no thanks

We're going to need more straw.

In the small town of Annecy, French Alps, where I lived there at the time, I and others pplitically involved high-schoolers and students gathered EVERY Saturday to march and protest against it, Before, during and after Saddam Hussein' s takeover.
I remember one day skipping class to attend the Students March.

and so there was no reason to go to war with no assurances that the next government would be any better.

I never did - I knew they were lying from the beginning.

Who supported it will admit to it now.

Whether is willful or subliminal it just seems that the Iraq war isn't really an issue anymore..

N/t

It wasn't even that much of an issue in 2004 either.

No.

I see tons of right wing trash on DU anymore.

I don't even consider it a left leaning website.

of course not.

With a lot of other people.

to millions of innocent people. AND it's only become worse, you can't do these
insane things and expect to control the outcome.

I wasn't on DU at the time, but I was very skeptical of all of Bush's actions after 9/11. I could never figure out why the Saudis were given a pass on that debacle.

Anyone who was paying attention knew it was ANOTHER war based on LIES

Bush lied...100,000s died

It did no good and then later two of my students went into the army and got killed in Iraq.

Fuck Dubya Bush. He killed people so he could get a second term. He's a fucking monster.

I marched in a protest march in Kennebunkport, Maine with about 6,000 of my closest friends. The march was when W was visiting his parents. Of course we couldn't get close to Walker's Point, where the "Summer Home" is, but I'm sure they could hear us. All the marches and protests couldn't stop W's war. There was money to be made for them on this war.

Hell no.

And watching the drumbeat to war back then was like watching airplane dropping out of the sky. We all knew it would be a disaster and were unfortunately proven right.

Not only no, but what was unfathomable to me was how any alleged Democratic 'leader' could, how anyone with any sense could vote for IWR. Herewith are just a few reasons:

Reason 1: Iraq did not attack the US; fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudis while the other four were from the UAE, Egypt, Yemen. They learned to fly here in the States (Florida, Arizona). Bin Laden was also Saudi!

Reason 2: Iraq had been under horrific UN sanctions since the first Bush war on Iraq in 1991; so how could it have morphed into an imminent threat to the US in 2002 when IWR was being peddled

Reason 3: W's administration introduced IWR and demanded a vote on it right before the 2002 midterm elections. Wise men questioned the timing and the rush but not those who voted aye... they had their eyes on being POTUS and cast calculating votes that reeked of political and moral cowardice.

Reason 4: Anyone who was paying attention knew about PNAC and therefore knew how the Bush cabal and Carlyle group had their eyes on carving up Iraq's oil fields. Clinton sure knew because the signers of PNAC policy papers wrote him seeking pre-emptive action while he was POTUS. And Kerry should have questioned pre-emptive war since he served in and then questioned Vietnam. He also should have questioned anything pushed by the Bushes because he had been part of the Senate investigation into Iran-Contra... about which the elder Bush as VP and former CIA chief claimed the big lie of having been "out of the loop."

Reason 5: the Bush cabal STOLE the White House in 2000 because they had their PNAC plans. Then, they ignored all the warnings/chatter leading up to 9/11 (remember the 8/6/2011 brief). They allege they were blindsided and could not have foreseen such an attack, but that flies in the face of the fact that the airspace had to be closed around the G-8 summit in Genoa, Italy in July 2001 which Bushco attended, precisely because of terrorists' threats to fly planes into buildings! So therefore, why would any sentient 'leader' of the opposition party trust or "have good faith" in ANYTHING proposed by W

Reason 6: Anyone who knew history, knew that Reagan sold WMDs to Saddam/Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war (recall the photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand). So when Cheney took to the airwaves in 2002 talking about WMDs and said he knew where they were and how they'd been used against the Kurds, he was telling the truth... about 1988. He was using his dirty past to foment a new war for oil

Reason 7: the Bush cabal withdrew the weapons inspectors because they were not finding anything. Scott Ritter (who was smeared) and his fellow inspectors' findings would not/did not conform to the desired Bush narrative, so Colin Bowel sold his soul and did his 'tube' presentation to the UN

Reason 8: Citing the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War, Robert Byrd gave an eloquent and passionate speech about lies that lead to war, about the waste of war, about the unintended consequences of war... and he challenged the rush to war. Bob Graham and Ted Kennedy spoke as well. Why didn't other Democratic 'leaders' listen to them rather than to Bush or Cheney? Through their aye votes, they gave Bush bipartisan cover and therefore, they have blood on their hands, too

Clearly the rationale for IWR was all a LIE, and if a little old Jane Q Citizen like me (along with thousands of other citizens) could see all this, why not Biden, Clinton, Dodd, Edwards and Kerry?! They all voted aye, they all ran for POTUS and they all lost. I held my nose and voted for Kerry-Edwards in 2004 because they were better than Bush, but it was unnerving to watch and listen to Kerry's meandering justifications when he was called out on his aye vote.

So in 2008, there was no way I was going to support HRC precisely because of her IWR vote. Votes have consequences and there is no apology large enough to cover a cowardly, finger-in-the-wind vote that has caused so much death, debt, destruction and destabilization!

Thank you for posting it. I knew without the shadow of a doubt the case for that war was built on 100% Grade A bullshit. I marched in every anti-war march that was held on the East Coast. I was horrified at the prospect and at the blindness to the truth that WMD claims were fabricated as Joe Wilson and others pointed out at the time.

And the final indignity on the eve of Shock and Awe: "Disarm or be invaded." How can you disarm when you don't have any weapons?? Colin Powell was a willing stooge for that disgusting fraud. And then: "Don't blow up the oil wells, or else."

Scott Ritter, weapons inspector was all over teepee saying there were no weapons in Iraq, that they were destroyed during the first gulf war.

has continued it and Mrs Clinton supports continuing it if she gets elected, many more are in favor. They will applaud pretty much anything she is for. If she gets elected president, when the inevitable cuts to social security come, there will be a small list of ridiculous excuses trotted out for why it had to happen. I believe this is why the party is so much smaller than it was twenty years ago.

GHWB invaded based on lies in 1991. All GWB did was to expand a war that had never stopped. One long war.

This is going to be our nominee? The only candidate that voted for the Iraq War is going to be running on the Dem ticket?
Can we sink any lower as a Party?

It would be a horrendous waste if that sacrifice of blood and treasure was for nothing.

This means almost all of them if not all of the modern wars the US has become involved in.

are going to admit to that level of stupidity at this point? Even if they fell in line back then

I was telling people about what the world press was reporting on weapons inspections
since we weren't getting the truth from our press

Part of the 10% in the US who were not in favor of any of the invasions. And 90% of us were.

Even back then DUers were some of the smartest people in the US, still are.

20 million strong on all 7 continents. Yes, there really was an Antartica protest.

I actively protested it and still think it was one of the worst decision that we made in the past 50 years.

This country's obsession with dropping bombs on other countries has to stop, but sadly 25 years later we're still doing it.

I'm antiwar. Period.

and all of the commentary from Al Jazeera and other places in the world that reported on what was going on - not western media. I cried when the first bombs were dropped - I just couldn't believe it was happening. Unprovoked, needless war is the most evil thing on earth, imo.

Worst foreign policy decision since Viet Nam. Bernie Sanders voted against starting the Bush/Cheney war, Hillary Clinton voted for it.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

I could not understand how supposedly educated and knowledgeable adults were falling for the bullshit.

I was sick the day the hostilities began; and disgusted that senators like Clinton supported the neo-con nonsense.