"Senator McCain and I are ready for that 3 a.m. phone call. Senator Obama is not."

Nope, thank God.

I expect the same tear jerking endorsement speech from Sanders at the convention.

But nice try

Also, note it did not cost Obama the presidency, however many ended up following through.

Some probably voted for Romney as well

Since we have the Electoral College and not direct election for president. If someone lives in a safely blue or red state- sure, vote however you want. The calculation gets trickier if you live anywhere remotely likely to be a swing state.

needs a strong call to be President, per the popular vote to make her presidency legitimate. That is just how it works for women and blacks.

She is Secretary unelectable and is becoming more so every month. That should worry you too.

Hillary's voters came around and voted for Obama, just as the vast majority of Sanders supporters who don't hang out on DU will vote for Hillary.

Rank idolization like many had for Hillary is more transferrable to another idol.

I think many Bernie supporters don't worship at the altar of Bernie, but rather are enthusiastic about his policies and the fact that for once we have an honest, uncorrupted, politician that isn't on the take, or a warmonger running for office.

I think asking many of those supporters to flip to support someone they literally watched tell lie after lie on TV - that is corrupt, is a warmonger, is probably guilty of crimes even without indictments, and so on - is going to be a tougher sell than many think.

Bernie's supporters aren't Bernie disciples like Hillary followers. They are supporting the policies, practices, positions of Bernie and not idolizing him in the same way that many idolize Hillary. Even if Bernie loses and endorses Hillary, just because Bernie says he endorses her isn't going to change how people view Hillary.


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The Terms of Service clearly state "But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect."

"Bernie's supporters aren't Bernie disciples like Hillary followers. They are supporting the policies, practices, positions of Bernie and not idolizing him in the same way that many idolize Hillary. Even if Bernie loses and endorses Hillary, just because Bernie says he endorses her isn't going to change how people view Hillary. "

They're cool voting for a republican. That shows you where her policies are. Our policies are on the left, which is why we aren't aligned with Hillary. And her speech today at AIPAC is one more glowing reason why we don't support her.

or actions X takes, I only care that it's X doing it"

the perfect voter for a politics that's had all the air pumped out of it

While I have enormous respect for Senator Sanders as a human being, this is not a cult of personality it's a cult of policy & principles. It wouldn't matter to me if God himself opened the heavens and endorsed HRC, there is simply no chance whatsoever that my conscience will ever allow me to vote for her.

To quote Hillary herself: "that will never, ever come to pass."

You have rationalized not voting Clinton and allowing deaths of women and girls, but you are not "worship/disciples/idiolizing".

80% of Bernie Supporters on Democratic Underground will help Trump in his election if they can't have their candidate.

because some people might have issues voting for someone that is a corrupt and bought politician, that they are actively helping someone else that is a racist and buys politicians.

0 + 0 = 0
Not voting for Hillary (if she's the nominee) does not magically give Trump a vote.

Democratic leaning voters do not share your views.

And thankfully, she will prevail anyway.

And you're wrong. Any democratic voter, who does not participate in exercising their voting right, helps idiots like Trump.

Vote how you wish, but facts are facts.

She may prevail.

But don't try to guilt or insult other people because they can't bend their principles as far as you might be able to, in order to vote for Hillary.

Facts are indeed facts. Subjective beliefs and insults are subjective. You may eventually realize that your beliefs are not necessarily that of others, and it's wrong to assume such.

vote as you wish.

But once again, Democratic voters and Democratic leaning voters, overwhelming support Hillary Clinton.

That's a fact.

The majority of Democratic voters do not view both parties as the same, and they will overwhelmingly support Hillary Clinton in the General Election. They will do so based on their beliefs.

Your beliefs are yours. Do what you think is best. But don't claim that you speak for the majority of Democrats, because you don't.

First, you are guilting people. If you can't see that, well then there are other problems at hand.

Second, your statements are not facts. Democratic voters in the primarys have favored Hillary but not "overwhelmingly". "Democratic leaning voters" which I'm guessing you mean Independents that voted in Democratic primarys, overwhelmingly favor Bernie.

Those are actual facts.

You are the one claiming to speak for a majority of people which would seem to indicate quite the ego. I'm the one saying don't speak for people.

She has twice as many delegates and 2.5 million more votes.

Those facts equal a majority.

Where would the guilting be?

Or how you got to talking about allowing the "death of women and girls" since you didn't elaborate at all.

No quibble. No justifications, validations or excuses. It bottom lines to our lives.

Rather than explain your position, you just provide a doomsday scenario. By that logic I could say that if Hillary gets elected, it will result in the death of thousands if not millions of men, women and children.

Does that work? Didn't think so. Even though unlike your premise I could substantiate that one by saying she would enter us into many wars.

Kosovo War, Afghanistan, Sanders supported only a gradual withdrawal from Iraq. Sanders supported the resolution that gave support to George W. Bush in both Iraq and in the larger war against terrorism. Sanders has supported Israel’s aggressive Middle East policies against Palestinian statehood. Sanders supported HR 282, the Iran Freedom Support Act, which was similar to the resolutions leading to the Iraq War. And Sanders has stated that he too would use drones.

weapons makers and the war machine have gotta make money. Those women and girls are expendable.

Don't lie.

I asked you a question. Can't answer it?

me of being a racist. I often do that with your posts. You start with the most extreme insults. Ask and answer.... No thank you. I feel that is a dishonest way to have a conversation. I do not read any further.

which candidate wants more of it, right??? That's not a fucking racist question, it's the truth.

You're so pure .......... don't you have some private medical info to steal and pm around?

But the vast majority come together when it counts.

A lot of the PUMAs were conservadems and the BernieorBusters are largely Nader fans.

and blaming Nader, etc... doesn't help advance your argument.

Nader didn't lose the election for Gore. Asking for a partial recount and not taking the full recount lost it. Otherwise as was proven by the subsequent recount paid for by news media, Gore would have won.

People can whine and insult others for having the principles they themselves lack, but doing so won't make it true.

by Hillary's supporters will continue.


'Who Will Hillary Bomb?'

And humping has other meanings, certainly colloquially when I was growing up it meant to push or promote, eg try to sell. So a good play on the words of the previous poster's Ott comment.

And did you read the previous comment?

People are having orgasms over what? death? WTF ever. I am outta here. All this is pretty much too vile for me.

Which was much more explicit and vile. You are practicing selective outrage.

by donating to the Clinton Foundation to bomb and commit war-crimes in Yemen. I think yours is a fair question. I believe it will first be Syria, then possibly Iran - 'obliterate them'.

that people that vote Hillary are part of a cult of personality and have no principles. You don't even provide an argument, just an insult. Nice.

As I said before:

Bernie's supporters aren't Bernie disciples like Hillary followers. They are supporting the policies, practices, positions of Bernie and not idolizing him in the same way that many idolize Hillary. Even if Bernie loses and endorses Hillary, just because Bernie says he endorses her isn't going to change how people view Hillary.

You may be able to live with yourself after voting for Hillary, but my thinking is that many will not be able to bend their principles as easily. There was a difference in 2008, and despite her running what many saw as an overtly racist campain against Obama and being pro DOMA at the time, most of the policy proposals and actual decisionsactions were similar enough to allow an easier transition in support. I don't feel that will be the case for many this year.

Wow. Full of yourself today eh? Too bad you're wrong.

Just putting that number in your OP is not enough clarification for the Hill-and-Billie-Hide-Patrol.

remember this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511325387

. . . I could imagine Skinner saying, "The rebels must be destroyed".

In 2008 when the PUMA mantra first began here at DU, I felt that either they didn't understand how selfish they were to only support Hillary -- who constantly told lies about then-Senator Obama -- or that they were simply closet racists hoping to smash Obama and the rebellion.

When Hillary's own aides put pictures of Obama online wearing the traditional dress in Kenya, that was it for me.
I no longer wasted 5 minutes arguing with them, or discussing anything with them on this forum, I just left of my own accord.

But, this year, with the FBI conducting an investigation in to Hillary's server problems, there is only one candidate running for the office of President that even comes close to representing what I want the President to be . . . and that is Bernie Sanders.

a higher percentage than John Edward's supporters,who had the lowest percentage of Obama voters.

wound up voting after all.

I was extremely bitter after the primaries were over, but I eventually moved passed it. I voted for Obama and am glad that I did. Eventually I became a big supporter of his and now believe that he has been a very good president.

Bernie will do what they want in filling SCOTUS seats but will Trump or Cruz?

he's nominated.