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snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:11 PM Mar 2016

Hillary's "small" donors

For what it's worth, I thought this interesting: http://www.fec.gov/fecviewer/CandCmteTransaction.do

Here you'll find a list of all Clinton's donors. The interesting part is where they work and how they divide up their large contributions into very small amounts so that she can say she has millions of small donors as well. Everything about politics is a con.

I didn't check every page out but this from page 9 which was a random check. This state department guy actually made several small donations within days of each other. Why not just one big one?

Contributor Name Employer Occupation Description City State Zip Receipt Date Amount Memo Code
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 10/13/2015 $38
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 11/01/2015 $15
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 11/14/2015 $1
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 12/01/2015 $15
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 12/22/2015 $38
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 12/31/2015 $100
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 12/22/2015 $38
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 09/30/2015 $38
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 09/01/2015 $15
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 09/24/2015 $50
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 09/25/2015 $50
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 08/01/2015 $15
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 08/25/2015 $50
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 09/29/2015 $38
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 09/13/2015 $25
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 09/15/2015 $25
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 08/22/2015 $50
ABABA, ELI U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTING RANDALLSTOWN MD 211332057 09/27/2015 $38

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Hillary's "small" donors (Original Post) snowy owl Mar 2016 OP
K N R-ed Faux pas Mar 2016 #1
HMM! hobbit709 Mar 2016 #2
She sent out an email call for $1 donations too. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #3
politifact on HRCs small donors: dana_b Mar 2016 #4
Jury results Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #5
I almost alerted on this myself. Seems like voter stalking. onehandle Mar 2016 #6
I did leave off at first ... snowy owl Mar 2016 #8
Uh-huh. onehandle Mar 2016 #9
The local paper runs this public info all the time Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #10
I gave him the exact same amount. onehandle Mar 2016 #11
I got into one of his videos and got his autograph..not a BIG deal anymore :-( Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #15
The names are public...but suggesting that there is some corruption at play for a public employee alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #14
I don't see the word corrupt in the OP Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #16
Despicable alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #19
I'm trying to understand your point of view Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #20
Absolute garbage alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #22
Post all my donations to Bernie or any D Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #29
It's difficult to perceive clear implication if doing so would interfere with our biases. LanternWaste Mar 2016 #27
I just saw this thread. cwydro Mar 2016 #45
What the hell? Are you stalking her donors now? sufrommich Mar 2016 #7
Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #17
Lifetime movie waiting to happen KingFlorez Mar 2016 #12
True. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #35
Foul posting alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #13
LOL. Because I'm sure nobody has made multiple small contributions to Bernie. DanTex Mar 2016 #18
when people do it for BS they're called college students, when they do it for Clinton they're called shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #25
This exposes Hillary. snowy owl Mar 2016 #21
Stalker, Stalinist type behavior alcibiades_mystery Mar 2016 #23
+1000. nt sufrommich Mar 2016 #31
I donated every day for a while. Your post is idiotic. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #24
How do you know? snowy owl Mar 2016 #28
I also volunteer my time making calls for her. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #33
I really do find your post insulting. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #36
My own donation history is similar. anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #26
Have you done 2 on same day and a third the next day? snowy owl Mar 2016 #30
Yes, actually. It was a mistake, but I hit the donation button twice... anotherproletariat Mar 2016 #32
I have done it when I got mad. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #34
I would agree if he were one of several but ... snowy owl Mar 2016 #37
Doesn't make us rich evil oligarchs. shadowandblossom Mar 2016 #40
This is a silly and petty point. Lots of DUers are small HRC donors. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #38
It's still not too late to do the right thing and delete the name of a random person DanTex Mar 2016 #39
Thanks for defending me above in the same way you defend a non-DUer Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #42
I don't know what incident you are referring to, but if I had seen anyone dox you or any other DUer, DanTex Mar 2016 #43
Disgusting and despicable in two replies upthread Omaha Steve Mar 2016 #44
Okay, Maddi, you can stop now. I'm not kidding. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2016 #41

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
4. politifact on HRCs small donors:
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:31 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.politifact.com/nbc/statements/2016/mar/21/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-her-campaign-depends-small-do/

So just knowing the amount of money raised from small donors won't tell you how many people gave.
"A lump-sum unitemized receipt of $100,000 could be 100,000 donors, 5,000 donors, or any number in between — your guess is as good as mine," said Kenneth A. Gross, an elections and campaign-finance expert at the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom.

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This means we're left with the federal disclosure data, which produces weaker support for Clinton's statement.
If one defines "the majority of our support" as dollars, then Clinton is wrong — small donations accounted for 17 percent of all of her individual donations, which is well short of a majority. In fact, the Campaign Finance Institute calculated that a clear majority of the funds Clinton had raised through Jan. 31 from individuals came from donors giving $2,700 — the legal maximum that anyone can give.
On the other hand, the campaign could be right if they define "the majority of our support" as the number of donors. But this calculation isn't transparent to outside analysis.
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Our ruling

Clinton said, "Our campaign depends on small donations for the majority of our support."
The campaign's best evidence for this isn't independently verifiable. Otherwise, Clinton is wrong — small donors accounted for only 17 percent of the dollar amount her campaign has collected from individuals through Jan. 31, and 19 percent of the dollar amount collected through Feb. 29.

We rate statement Mostly False.

Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
5. Jury results
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This post makes me uncomfortable. You can easily find this person's ID, no matter what the OP says. I've made 8 donations to Bernie and work for the government as well. Please hide.

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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
6. I almost alerted on this myself. Seems like voter stalking.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:43 PM
Mar 2016

You could easily find their real name.

Is this the pettiness that Bernie supporters, facing loss, are headed to?

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
8. I did leave off at first ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:46 PM
Mar 2016

but no one got the message. Seeing the name over and over made a difference. People read fast and I wanted them to understand the point of the post. Anything public that we do can be found by others. That's just how it is.

Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
10. The local paper runs this public info all the time
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:56 PM
Mar 2016

Here is one on me still online from 2007. Pages and pages of it just from Bellevue, NE. Some go back to 1979.

http://www.city-data.com/elec2/elec-BELLEVUE-NE.html

BELLEVUE, Nebraska (NE) Political Contributions by Individuals

Steven Dawes (City Of Omaha/Semi Skilled Labor), (Zip code: 68005) $250 to JOHN EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT on 06/28/07

One of the few donations I wish I could get back!

Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
15. I got into one of his videos and got his autograph..not a BIG deal anymore :-(
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:07 PM
Mar 2016

I'm in the yellow AFSCME shirt and black hat.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
14. The names are public...but suggesting that there is some corruption at play for a public employee
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:05 PM
Mar 2016

is completely foul and disgusting.

I think Skinner needs to deal with this before others replicate this horrendous and juvenile behavior.

Omaha Steve

(99,618 posts)
16. I don't see the word corrupt in the OP
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:18 PM
Mar 2016

It does point out the math of many small donations in a short amount of time to help Hillary's donation amount look like little people. Clearly this is not the case with this individual. Smoke and mirrors is not corruption. Bernie moved this to the left too, $27 at a time

The DU for Bernie averages $35 per donation BTW.
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
19. Despicable
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:28 PM
Mar 2016

You don't know anything about this person.

I thought you were better than this.

So fucking sad.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
22. Absolute garbage
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

It's disgusting that you're defending the smear of a completely random political donor in the OP.

Garbage.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
27. It's difficult to perceive clear implication if doing so would interfere with our biases.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016

"I don't see the word corrupt in the OP..."

It's difficult to perceive clear implication if doing so would interfere with our biases.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
25. when people do it for BS they're called college students, when they do it for Clinton they're called
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:41 PM
Mar 2016

billionaires. Didn't you know?

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
21. This exposes Hillary.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:33 PM
Mar 2016

I first tried to leave names but no one read. By adding names, the scamming became obvious. Many have made small donations but how many on Bernie's side deliberately turn them into small packages every few days to deceive the public and give their candidate a false meme? Check out Bernie's. If people have done that, they should be exposed. And Ababa isn't the only one. That's the thing. It appears to be a planned deception.

I've given lots of money to Bernie and all of it has been in larger donations. No attempt on my part to deceive the public. And Ababa is not the only one. When should this sort of deception be outed? it is public information. I'm wondering if your support for Hillary isn't corrupting your ethics as well. Is that what politics has become?

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
23. Stalker, Stalinist type behavior
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:40 PM
Mar 2016

You have absolutely no clue why the person named in the OP donated as he did, yet you imply in a cowardly manner that it is related to his work at the State Department and that he did so in some coordinated way with the campaign.

You have your minor plausibility that you were implying no such thing, but anybody who isn't a dishonest piece of shit can see right through that.

Your post is garbage.

I'll take the hide.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
24. I donated every day for a while. Your post is idiotic.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:40 PM
Mar 2016

She has over one million people like me donating to her. Stop with your tinfoil hat bs and get over it.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
33. I also volunteer my time making calls for her.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016

I owe have student loans. I'm a real live person. We're real people who you are talking about. Yes, Sanders has more donors. Lots even and that's something to be proud of. But people also don't feel the need to donate as much when she is winning and doing so well and has other supports, thank god, because I don't have as much free money as many of the better off young college students do.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/fundraising/273598-clinton-campaign-hits-1m-contributors

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
26. My own donation history is similar.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:44 PM
Mar 2016

When I first donated to Hillary, I wasn't that big of a supporter, but liked her the best. I also figured she didn't need that much money because there were no real challengers in the primary. Then, as the Bernie people started to get so loud, it encouraged me to donate after every primary, win or lose. I honestly felt guilty disliking Bernie because I found his supports so closed-minded, but it gradually happened. Also, the amount raised after a primary seems to be used as a big talking point, so I tried to help with that.

However, when the generals begin, and we can donate the full $2700 again, I will probably hold off and wait for a fundraiser where I might be able to meet her.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
30. Have you done 2 on same day and a third the next day?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:02 PM
Mar 2016

Thanks for a reasonable post however. My Bernie donations are usually after primaries as well.

Adding out of curiosity: what evidence do you have that Bernie supporters more closed-minded than Hillary's You didn't change you mind and I haven't changed my mind. What's the difference?

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
32. Yes, actually. It was a mistake, but I hit the donation button twice...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:34 PM
Mar 2016

but just left it because it was a small amount.

As for your other question. I just didn't feel that I was being heard when expressing my feelings about things that Bernie did not talk about (I still don't know his positions on many things, mostly foreign policy). Any slight sign of a disagreement and I was lectured at. On the Hillary forum, people where much more willing to answer questions and try to defend their candidates opinions, while respecting my differing ones. I just had the weird sense that the Bernie movement was kind of cultish...for lack of a better description. I think we all end up with the camp where we feel more comfortable.

shadowandblossom

(718 posts)
34. I have done it when I got mad.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

Maybe someone else decided to do it every time they saw a post like this. Maybe they decided to break it up because it's a talking point, that doesn't make them a rich evil oligarch. If I had money I would go make a donation right now.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
37. I would agree if he were one of several but ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

that's not the case. You'll have to check for yourself rather than believe me. This persons name was all in one place. Other names are scattered frequently throughout. Keep it in perspective - this isn't one or two people or even twenty.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
38. This is a silly and petty point. Lots of DUers are small HRC donors.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

To act like we don't exist or don't count is stupid.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
39. It's still not too late to do the right thing and delete the name of a random person
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

who did absolutely nothing wrong from this post.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
43. I don't know what incident you are referring to, but if I had seen anyone dox you or any other DUer,
Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

I would have objected.

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