Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:48 PM Mar 2016

After the Primaries, truly "principled voters" recognize

that we have a binary choice between two candidates in November. They use their "principles" to vote for the better of the two. If they choose not to vote, they do not qualify as "principled voters," in my not so humble opinion. They do not participate in the choice, and therefore have opted to do nothing to prevent the worse choice from prevailing.

Votes matter. Who is elected matters. Not voting or voting for some foolish third-party candidate is not a principled decision. It is a decision to stick your thumb in the eye of the very principles upon which this nation was founded.

The truly "principled voter" recognizes that the principles of democracy demand making a choice between two imperfect options in every case. The real principle is "do the least harm and the most good" possible in a given situation. Inaction does nothing. It simply abandons the most basic of principles.

That's my opinion. Thanks for reading it.

15 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
After the Primaries, truly "principled voters" recognize (Original Post) MineralMan Mar 2016 OP
+1. No ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #1
I think it takes some maturity to understand what you said. upaloopa Mar 2016 #2
I hope so. MineralMan Mar 2016 #3
HillDon ClinTrump is not a real choice NowSam Mar 2016 #4
Your clever wordplay with names is not. MineralMan Mar 2016 #6
I'm not very bright NowSam Mar 2016 #8
Every $500K payment the Sanders campaign makes to Tad Devine shows you're already snookered. CalvinballPro Mar 2016 #10
And remember that not voting rock Mar 2016 #5
Principles differ. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #7
If my personal principles don't align at all with a candidate's principles, Deny and Shred Mar 2016 #9
Perfectly said. ReallyIAmAnOptimist Mar 2016 #11
Because I am a "principled" voter I do not support Hillary Clinton PufPuf23 Mar 2016 #12
I do not expect you to get this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #13
A choice between Hillary or Trump ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #14
When both parties vote against my interests Mnpaul Mar 2016 #15
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
1. +1. No ...
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:52 PM
Mar 2016

+1,000,000 for this:

The truly "principled voter" recognizes that the principle of democracy demand making a choice between two imperfect options in every case. The real principle is "do the least harm and the most good" possible in a given situation. Inaction does nothing. It simply abandons the most basic of principles.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
4. HillDon ClinTrump is not a real choice
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:54 PM
Mar 2016

but if it makes you feel better to keep a charade going than whatever. Principled vothers should choose for themselves how and if to vote.

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
8. I'm not very bright
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:04 PM
Mar 2016

but I don't like being snookered and Clinton is the most corrupt candidate I have ever seen in my life. Between her campaign and her corporate and media partners they are pulling a Bush v Gore. it is she and they who ate tearing the world apart and my vote won't matter except to make me feel better - that I protested the corrupted slimy system. God Bless America and may we survive these monsters who will lead us into perpetual war for profit.

 

CalvinballPro

(1,019 posts)
10. Every $500K payment the Sanders campaign makes to Tad Devine shows you're already snookered.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

Your small donations are funding a political insider's consulting firm, to the tune of millions of dollars over the course of the campaign. That $500K was one month of billing.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
7. Principles differ.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. Friedrich Nietzsche

"In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place" -Gandhi

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
9. If my personal principles don't align at all with a candidate's principles,
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:17 PM
Mar 2016

explain how I am validating or invalidating my principles.

If my principles dictate, among other things : that we've sewn enough death in the Middle East, that war is not the answer, that Ukraine's unrest isn't simply a 'business opportunity', that the TPP will devastate what is left of US manufacturing, that one is a hypocrite when enlisting Blumenthal aganist the specific wishes of the current President while championing that President's legacy, that we validate the opposition by enlisting Brock who is the next closest thing to Rove that American politics has, that advancing the neocon agenda by 'turning the President around' on Lybia & pushing hard for regime change in Syria undermines his entire Presidential foreign policy, that for-profit prisons systemically destroy our society from the bottom up, that passing weapons deals only after the buyer donates to your personal foundation,

A (D) next to one's name doesn't make him nor her bulletproof. Is D uber alles regardless of position on issues really principled at all?

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

11. Perfectly said.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:05 PM
Mar 2016
Voters have become accustomed to the menu:

Would you prefer Dog-poo or Cat-poo today?

Either way it's still poo.

PufPuf23

(8,771 posts)
12. Because I am a "principled" voter I do not support Hillary Clinton
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:24 PM
Mar 2016

More often than not in my 44 years of voting I have voted "do the least harm and the most good".

I have always voted Democratic in the POTUS election beginning with George McGovern but with two abstentions in final election.

I once voted for John Anderson in the 1980 GOP primary election and changed my registration so I could make the vote against Reagan

Hillary Clinton sets a very low bar for "do the least harm and the most good" but is still far preferable to Trump or Cruz or other 2016 GOP candidates that have been floated.

IMO Hillary Clinton as POTUS will be bad for the USA and bad for the Democratic Party so I may abstain as I am in California. If it was a contested state, I would vote Clinton this Fall given the GOP (or third party) alternatives.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
13. I do not expect you to get this
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:34 PM
Mar 2016

But party realignments scramble that thinking. We are in the midst of the 6th one. I am expecting this one to be ahem messier

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
14. A choice between Hillary or Trump
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:45 PM
Mar 2016

Is like choosing whether I want my right nut or my left nut cut off. I choose to have neither cut off.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
15. When both parties vote against my interests
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:25 PM
Mar 2016

I might as well stand with John Quincy Adams:

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnquincy122484.html

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»After the Primaries, trul...