fake to lay this at the feet of Clinton.

This sort of thing is beneath DU (or used to be).

... progressive movement in this context would be more diverse?

tia

Thousands of people were stuck in 4 to 5 hour lines--working people, people with kids--and many, when they finally got there were told they are Republicans--lifelong Democrats were told this!--and were forced to vote "provisionally" (which means no vote at all), cuz the private contractor that does the reg database fucked it up.

But you just wanted that "subject line," right?, with "fake" in there, so you could further disparage the Bernie Sanders campaign.

Disgusting.

...which is the only reason for the epic pout and concern here from Sanders supporters.

Clinton probably won AZ, but with proportional delegate allocation, and Sanders' huge wins in Idaho (by 79%) and Utah (by 80%!), Sanders beat her on the delegate count, in the 3 states--a very important, strategic win for him, at this point.

FURTHER, there were Clinton voters in those 4-hour lines in AZ! You spitting on them, too? You saying, 'We won! We don't need your stinkin' vote!" to your own supporters? Great to see how you love vote suppression! You want to tell that to all those good people trying to do their civic duty?! You want to tell that to people who, after standing for 4 hours, got inside and were told they are Republicans--lifelong Democrats told this!

You condone this? Fine. Now we know how much contempt at least one Clinton supporter has for voters. Good luck with that attitude!

Maybe next time people will exercise their right to mail in their vote. They had a month prior to the actual voting day to get that vote in.

Both Hillary and Bernie.

This was a republican effort to suppress the vote.

It'll happen in the GE also unless the DOJ does something about it.

Even as a Sanders supporter I'm outraged at this. And yes, I think it would've benefitted Hillary.

Stop making voting rights a player in this stupid game of Hillary v Sanders.

Shameful

...no one is.

...used to sell this Sanders narrative about Hillary's victory in AZ.

It's not working. I think it's drawing even more attention to her win there, right in the middle of the Sanders comeback wave.

Some day they will need their vote. Will it be there?

...as if their campaign is the center of the universe.

Both Democrats deserve support.

This issue was raised here (and in the campaign) to imply Hillary cheated in Arizona. On this one, the Sanders campaign will reap what they sow.

Yes there was. Voter disenfranchisement is very important, acting like HRC caused it in order to deny her win is BS. Poster points out Latinos and Native Americans who were also greatly disenfranchised, and who vote for Clinton in greater numbers, were also in line wanting to vote and not being able to. That's how I take the point of this post.

Is this the leadership we should expect?

...as many here are doing?

Hillary Clinton is a strong and vocal advocate of voting rights.

...save it for those posts implying Hillary cheated in Arizona.

That's what all of this concern expressed here over Arizona is about. Delete that.

...I understand.

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The other thing the fake AZ voter suppression tantrum distracts from
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...concern theater.

...going to Hillary in AZ?

Made you look at them.

It's because of the gutting of the Voting Rights Act, and the SCOTUS decision that allowed for that needs to be reversed. We need a Dem in office after this upcoming election so we can get more liberal justices on the SCOTUS.

http://www.thenation.com/article/there-were-five-hour-lines-to-vote-in-arizona-because-the-supreme-court-gutted-the-voting-rights-act/

Why were Latino polling places reduced to miniscule numbers?

Republicans who wanted to disenfranchise Latino voters are the people who did it and why.

Not a single polling station in some Latino districts.

...the 'you don't care about voter suppression' crap only works with the folks playing along with the faux concern.

All I see here is sour grapes and an effort to cast doubt on Hillary's overwhelming victory. Save the solemn lectures on voting rights, which many here have outright ignored until now.

Even in neutral threads (which this one is not, to be sure), some nasty person has to drop some sneer. And then you even see neutrals, people talking about looking in to the lines, the switched parties, and they drop dirty insinuations about Clinton.

in the GE in November?

Sure it helped Hillary now, but it will be used against her by the GOP then.

Are they really this shortsighted?

But that narrative sure convinces Clinton supporters of the good faith of bringing this up.

Its like talking to a brick sometimes.

Even worse when people are using it to blame "corrupt Clinton" or pulling "sore loser Sanders."

The suppression efforts by Republicans hurt all democrats equally.

I'm speechless at your craven gall.. Did i fall into a black hole and end up at free republic?

Hillary's coalition is more inline with the upcoming diverse 21st century America.

REALLY, and this has butkis to do with who "won" a compromised election, Your willingness to call voter suppression fake speaks volumes about you.

and had the usual swarm... (here)

And at RSD

http://reportingsandiego.com/2016/03/23/state-of-the-race-after-western-tuesday-vote/

I am very concerned that people are not taking the voter suppression seriously

I just read your link, which matches with that happened yesterday.

And that's in spite of all the lies from team Hillary about Sanders' record on immigration issues.

because election officials always shortchange people of color. That's not an excuse, by any means. It's a travesty. But the claim that the lines hurt Bernie more than Hillary is not convincing. If people here got their way and overturned that election (which obviously isn't going to happen, but hypothetically), it's entirely possible that another election with more voting locations would result in an even higher margin of victory for Clinton.

"The Navajo Nation reservation, the largest concentrated population of American Indians in the United States, is tucked into Arizona's northwest corner. Stretching across 27,000 square miles of mesas, shrubs and sand, the reservation is largely rural, often without internet access, paved roads or street signs. Employment and education rates are far below the national average, and very few people own vehicles. If residents on the reservation ever need to drive to their county seat — say, to register to vote or to cast an early-voting ballot — the journey could easily take them four hours.

Ahead of Arizona’s primary on Tuesday, Democratic candidates Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have sought to reach out to Native communities and mention Native issues on the campaign trail. This year marks the first presidential election since the Supreme Court in 2013 struck down the key provision of the Voting Rights Act that required states with a history of voting discrimination to get pre-approval for new voting laws. While much of the national conversation has been focused on Southern states and laws affecting African-American and Hispanic voters, Native Americans in places like Arizona also are affected by policies that discourage them from voting, which have resulted in some of the lowest voter participation rates of any demographic group in the country.

“Arizona was one of the states covered under the Voting Rights Act, and when it got gutted, that hurt people here a lot,” said Katherine Yell, director of operations for the Democratic Party in Coconino County, Arizona, which is about 27 percent American Indian. “Arizona has what I like to call draconian voter ID laws. You have to register in advance at least a month before the election, you have to have a photo voter ID with your permanent address on it, which makes it tough for people who travel for work because there’s not a lot of work on the reservations.”
http://www.ibtimes.com/voting-rights-2016-native-americans-struggle-overcome-barriers-ahead-arizona-2340458

Ironic.

Bullshit headline. Gets called out on it and feigns confusion.

Same shit different day.

What happened to you?
Waiting in line for five hours is "fake'? Many others were told that they were not eligible despite having registered
as Democratic.
Voter suppression is wrong, no matter your candidate is.
Tell me big, what was HRC's statement about the obvious suppression?

Simple as that

One thread says its an international plot. Others blame Hillary.

It affected Republicans, it affected Clinton voters, it affected *everybody* so stop pretending that this is something people are getting up in arms to due to being a voter of a specific candidate.

IT HAPPENED TO HILLARY VOTERS TOO so please stop pretending that there is political malice on just one side for the AZ voting fiasco.

I have no idea what people that are attempting to pretend this wasn't grade-A horseshit are trying to prove, but it affected EVERY-DAMN-BODY and I don't want this crap happening in November.

Using it to continue the race canard establishment Democrats have been throwing into the arena is distasteful and a turn off that will drive people out of the party. My two cents of warning and truth. The party may just want to be a Presidential party but it will still need office holders at all levels. The party is weakening itself, especially in terms of real issues such as income inequality, environmental destruction, and continual warfare.

...telling blacks, Latinos, and other ethnic posters here that highlighting votes is 'racist' or a race canard.

Is it really a 'race canard' pointing out that this Sanders attempt to portray AZ votes as fraudulent obscures the overwhelming support Hillary got from these communities of color? Of course, it's not at all.

Highlighting the differences in support of these important and influential communities of voters is a fair and vital acknowledgment of their support. It's no more of a 'race canard' than when the campaigns make their overt appeals to these groups of voters.

If you're uncomfortable discussing race, then don't. But lecturing those of us who have a natural affinity for these issues which directly reflect on our own, personal relationships with race and ethnicity, and trying to stifle those impressions and observations about this campaign's impact on our communities of color, is a far cry from the progressiveness the Sanders campaign and this website supposes they're advocating with these personal attacks.

with election results being released while people are still voting?

After seeing the lines, no one should find this acceptable. It doesn't favor one candidate over another, it hurts voters. Elderly people would have a hard time standing in line for 5 hours in the heat. Younger people might have to get to a job. I don't give a shit who won by what if a whole lot of their voters had to throw in the towel and not vote or were cut off at the deadline for voting.

The Supreme Court gutted the VRA in 2013, Thus, Arizona was able to make election changes without federal oversight.

created to harm any Democratic primary candidates. They are designed to limit participation by Democrats in general elections, especially Hispanic voters.

The people in those long lines who are Democrats probably split along the same lines in the primary as those who voted. I doubt the results would have been different.

However, in the General Election, this voter suppression will have a different effect, preventing many Democrats from voting for the Democratic nominee.

The Republicans did this. They deserve the blame.

...which mostly says that, but I don't really care.

The effect of this post is a poke behind the facade of concern expressed by many Sanders supporters here over the voting restrictions and screw-ups in AZ. Much of that was raised here in a transparent attempt to discredit or even call for an outright nullification of the votes cast.

Others here suggested some sort of collusion between the Clinton campaign or the candidate herself in influencing the outcome of that race.

What the op represents to me is a pushback on the insinuation (again) that there is something untoward, corrupted, or unrepresentative of these Democratic voters in AZ who cast ballots in overwhelming support of Hillary. That's what the focus here is (in most cases, deliberately) detracting from, the lopsided support these communities of ethnicity and color are generating for Hillary Clinton.

Aside from the very recognizable and pernicious problems faced at the overwhelmed ballot locations in AZ, most of which rests at the feet of republicans in that state, there is another narrative of Native American support for Hillary which matches her appeal in the black and Latino communities.

Having to break through the din of faux concern (and genuine concern) here with ridicule to highlight these results isn't something I particularly desire. But let's be clear about what this op is directed to and what it's intentions are. Some Sanders folks here want to negate the results of the election with the petitions and more, I want to emphasize the legitimacy of the results based on what we knew about the AZ vote going into the election, and the demographics which provide evidence of where that vote came from.

Interestingly enough, the counties like Maricopa which experienced the most problems were in areas in which better and more fair management of the polls would likely have increased Hillary's vote, but most of the complaints are coming from the Sanders side.