2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBIG UPDATE: Clinton Surrogate Jarrett Maupin comes to rescue of Maricopa Co.Recorder Helen Purcell
:largeClinton supporter Jarrett Maupin absolves Maricopa County elections organizers of any wrong doing, and declares mission accomplished on Civil Rights and Voting Right in Arizona after calling for legal action less than 24 hours earlier.
Video at link. Don't trip over your jaw.
http://www.12news.com/news/politics/civil-rights-activist-forgives-maricopa-county-elections-organizer/98913425
On edit: Thanks Mike__M for the timeline. Updated meme in light of.
UPDATE:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Purcell
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NWCorona
(8,541 posts)He changed up real quick!
dchill
(38,516 posts)John Lewis?
Raster
(20,998 posts)dchill
(38,516 posts)Until I opened my eyes.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)(spoilers: no, it isn't.)
dana_b
(11,546 posts)and so many of them were told that they would have to vote on provisional ballots and that they wouldn't count!! Some went home, found their registration to the Democratic party and STILL were not allowed to vote!!
Such b.s.
And then how ANYONE could defend this is beyond me:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017342942
She blames the voters! Is that what Hillary thinks? That it's the fault of the voters?? If she becomes the nominee, how will she feel in November if this happens to her? THEN it would be a problem?
So UN democratic.
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FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)a significant probability.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)Bubba couldn't take the Arizona heat, so he phoned in his polling station tour.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Um, yes there is.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)Show them this.
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Wilms
(26,795 posts)https://ballotpedia.org/Jarrett_Maupin
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Thanks for the link.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)If this action doesn't get your spidey senses tingling....WOW just WOW.
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)but then
Sounds like someone personally delivered the answer he was "researching" for.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)phone call assertion.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)or the promise of a future political appointment.
And he says she "miscalculated"? One person decides to have only 60 of 728 polling stations open and nobody else knew about it?
This should trigger a Justice Department investigation. Bernie needs to send a letter to Loretta Lynch and President Obama demanding it.
newblewtoo
(667 posts)or was this meant as sarcasm?
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)But Bernie should be raising hell about it with Obama. One would think Obama and Lynch would be interesting in publicizing this fiasco and doing what they can to prevent a replay of anything like it in November.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Talk about doing a complete 180........Reminds me of a scene from The Godfather.....
Segami
(14,923 posts)at the upcoming April 15 fundraiser, then you know what went down......
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)He may as well have just come out and said...ah about that investigation...I found out today that the Clinton campaign rigged this election so I've changed my mind. I really don't want to have that investigation and anyone who does....ah...must not be a Clinton supporter. Holy Shit. I've been posting here about the Republicans suppressing the vote not the Hillary campaign but now...WOW Looks like we have a joint effort going on.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)But Parry reported that on the day after the Nov 2004 election, James Carville, who was one of Hillary's top people, convinced candidate John Kerry to immediately concede due to "the fact" that there were not enough outstanding uncounted ballots in Ohio to make a difference. (There actually were over 235,000 ballots and since many of those were from counties where the Dems had a following, this was a lie.)
So the way Hillary gets things to come out in her favor has been underhanded for a long, long time.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)It may be obvious, but I just want to make sure I'm reading it right.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)And of course there is footage of Hillary telling some interviewer, maybe Diane Sawyer, that it was inevitable that she would become the 2008 candidate. (That interview was either in 2007 or 2008.) I think she felt she had done so much to ensure that Kerry didn't get in, that she deserved it for that reason alone.)
She doesn't care at all about the public. So what if the public had to deal with George W for another four years? At least, in the "bigger scheme of things, she would end up with the Oval Office. All that is important to her is herself.
senz
(11,945 posts)What amazes me is that her followers are just as monomaniacal about it as she is.
To me, that is just weird.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)The man who ran the website Consortium News reported it as fact.
Remember, Kerry had given a promise that his team of election lawyer would come into play if there was the slightest hint of impropriety.
And also that he would not concede until every last vote was counted.
Instead Kerry conceded less than eighteen hours after Andy Card, Bush's chief of staff, announced that Bush was the winner.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)You might wanna obtain the video "Stealing America, Vote by Vote" by Dorothy Fadiman.
Link is here: http://electionsatrisk.org/film.shtml
This is a great and detailed account of what went down as a "democratic and free election."
I wrote this account of the theft - which ended up on over 350 blogs across the globe
"We The People Do Not Concede"
http://www.coastalpost.com/05/01/01.htm
But what is most horrifying is that when the vote recount in Ohio went on, who funded it? Did the Democrats, whose "candidate" had lost, then take the time and energy and cash
to fund it?
No, actually Ralph Nader and David Cobb funded it! (To the tune of over $ 100,000 of their own monies)
And they did it Because they actually believe in free elections, unlike the Bush and Clinton families that could care less as long as they get to win!
2banon
(7,321 posts)or maybe I had the info wrong then.
but to your point. soo spot on.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)And it's pretty damn ugly, not much different than third world countries.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)and virtually the entire Democratic establishment being aligned against Bernie, I hope he will reconsider running a 3rd party campaign if he is not the Democratic nominee. This has not been anything close to a fair fight.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I think the only way he would do that is if it could be proven there was election fraud. That's pretty tough to do. Those of us who have been watching believe that there has been because there have been so many bad things happening over and over, but we can't prove it. This is yet another reason why it is very, very hard to fight the establishment. They control the process.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Green because of the horrific cheating.
It won't stop because Hillary can't win without cheating. So stay tuned for the fun because there is guaranteed to be more to come.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)He has plenty of reasons to reconsider. He has not gotten anything resembling a fair shot and the political revolution is gaining momentum.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)know the country is screwed unless we change course.
He owes it to his supporters to go the mat and fight back.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)agracie
(950 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)to see people betray their principles.
coyote
(1,561 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,753 posts)A useful idiot was needed to squelch a petition that has over 100,000 names on it. I expect he will be rewarded handsomely.
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)and watch him climb.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Election Fraud!
Nanjeanne
(4,974 posts)and stood up for small "d" democracy . . . it would have probably eased at least some of my misgivings about voting for her if she is the nominee. As it stands - she shows herself every day to be exactly the kind of politician that turns me away.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)Is going to buy this especially the quick 180 turnaround. This is more insulting behavior from the Clinton steamroller.
840high
(17,196 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)The older you are the more diffict that is. I can't tolerate stsnding on concrete. There were many little old ladies with canes, in the wind and cold, in our Idaho lines.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)RandySF
(59,097 posts)Doesn't look like he represents anyone but himself. Yeah, it looks like he supports Hillary but was he even eligible to vote?
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Do you know if Clinton has made any statements about the investigation into this?
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)They were First and Second Ladies of Arkansas together.
Woopsie!
RandySF
(59,097 posts)And so was your reply.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)RandySF
(59,097 posts)Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)Response to Blue State Bandit (Original post)
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TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)for this.
Arizona was one of the states that used to have to have any changes they made to voting procedures OK'd by the Justice Department, due to their history of civil rights abuses.
That is, until the Supreme Court decided in 2013 that that part of the Voting Rights Act was no longer necessary.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/us/supreme-court-ruling.html
senz
(11,945 posts)We cannot have this. Not here. Not in the United States of America.
I haven't felt this badly about the prospects for our country since December 12, 2000.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)So the tin foil theory might have some grounds to it? Most CT theories do by the way.
I love it, really. Oh and this is how democracies die by the way. How PRI-like this is becoming. Yup, voting in pretend elections now.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)than litigating yesterday.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and patronage and machine like in a very odd way
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)All I can think about is what Niko House said he was told by Chris Smith for breaking the NC Ops infiltration story. "Give up a little principal now, and get ahead later." Paraphrasing.
Niko puts it better:
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I am sure I will soon be "corrected" for my transgression
AzDar
(14,023 posts)think
(11,641 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)fraud in Arizona.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)... and some Clinton fans wonder why so many won't vote for her if she's the nominee.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Or prosecution?
TDale313
(7,820 posts)I am so totally over Dems pulling this kinda crap. It's disgusting. Now we're hearing about people's registration being switched or finding out they're not registered. If you're supporting Hillary and are turning a blind eye cause you think it helps her- You are the fucking problem!!!
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)I got nothing but accusations of CT when I first posted it down thread of some other op. I guess the meme is more powerful than the weathervane.
SunSeeker
(51,646 posts)You got the wrong Purcell. How about responding to the people in this thread pointing that, like this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1571464
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)I don't see it in the article. This looks like a dishonest characterization to me. Amazing how many here are quick to believe Hillary has anything to do with this.
Blue State Bandit
(2,122 posts)They were First and Second Ladies of Arkansas together.
Woopsie!
creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)Here's the biography of the one in Arizona:
http://recorder.maricopa.gov/recorder/
"Born in Topeka, Kansas shes been a Phoenix resident since 1964."
Now, will you take this nonsense back? Where did you get this in the first place?
Wernothelpless
(410 posts)Helen Purcell: From Arkansas to Arizona ... Clinton friend ...
https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-10942184.html
Helen Purcell, Maricopa County's recorder and election director, shows no signs of slowing down - even in an off-election year. Managing her time is Purcell's biggest challenge, as she oversees recording 1 million documents annually and modernizing the state's largest election department. In her fifth term of office, Purcell also serves on a committee drafting new standards for voting systems throughout the United States and on the board of the National Association of Counties, among other organizations. "It's easier now that my family is grown," she says, the mother of two and grandmother of four. Her husband Joe, who Purcell says gave her the valued advice of being honest, consistent and to "learn everything you can," passed away several years ago after 43 years of marriage.
creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)If it is, someone's ass should be grass.
creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)He has the wrong Helen Purcell. Here's a link to the recorders biography. She's been in Phoenix since 1964. Can't be the same person. The OP is as kooky as it looks.
http://recorder.maricopa.gov/recorder/
riversedge
(70,273 posts)against them' I like that. And hope it will be done. We have a GE to win in November
kristopher
(29,798 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,476 posts)That means he's her surrogate? That's a leap from here to the Oort Cloud.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)ymmv
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)still_one
(92,329 posts)and that is why it makes so much sense to me when I read these posts proudly declaring they won't vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic nominee. Yup, that will show em.
Just look at the awful appointments Bill Clinton did:
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Stephen Breyer
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)shown in the photos is nil to none. Really, someone needs to use common sense when trying to push this.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)He was born in 1923.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)think
(11,641 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Poster here by another Duer, Wernothelpless:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1251&pid=1572662
https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-10942184.html
The Original Source. (You need a subscription to read the original story from it's source the Arizona Capitol Times in it's entirety):
http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2007/02/16/helen-purcell-maricopa-county-recorder/
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)article shows he was governor of Arkansas who was born in 1923.
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)Has he forgotten that voter disenfranchisement oppressed African Americans far more and for far longer than Hispanic Americans?
How could ANY self-respecting Democrat think that 5-hour lines are no one's fault, especially when the number of polling stations was reduced by half?
Our best response is to sign the new WH.gov petition demanding a re-vote:
http://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-revote-arizona-primary-due-voter-suppression
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)before he was for it.
renate
(13,776 posts)This is AMERICA. It should NOT be COMPLICATED to let people VOTE in a DEMOCRACY. Just provide them with a sufficient number of polling places and ballots instead of voting machines that switch votes and are susceptible to hacking.
Instead our elections are an absolute embarrassment. There is no valid excuse for what happened in Arizona or in any other place where people have to wait more than 20 minutes to vote. Even that is too long, considering how lower-income people don't necessarily have the luxury of a long lunch hour, or not having to rush to a second job, to have the time to vote.
Voting by mail should be how it is done everywhere. I can't see a single valid argument against it.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--voter suppression will hurt her a hell of a lot in AZ.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)That's not the commitment to small 'd' democracy I want in a candidate.
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)AxionExcel
(755 posts)TBF
(32,084 posts)Mission Accomplished by Hillary and Team.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Leave it to the Hillary campaign to say this is okay.