2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis is getting outrageous! Lady in Kentucky on FB states this:
"I need a hug from my Bernie friends today.
In light of election fraud/voter suppression that has been rampant in so many states, I decided to call and verify my voter registration today. Guess what? It was changed (unbeknownst to me) last August to Independent. I AM FURIOUS!!
This shit is so freakin blatant, THEY DON'T EVEN CARE!
The best part? I can't vote in my May Primary. The cut-off was December... I'm beyond pissed.
I am filing charges in my state. I demanded that they send me a copy of last August's change, I was told it was done online. I asked for them to identify the IP address for me, and was told they couldn't do that. I'll bet a lawyer can.
I'm not laying down on this shit. I'm 54 years old and have never missed a vote, and THIS Primary vote would've been the most important one in my lifetime!"
She 54 years old and been a registered Dem since the age of 18. This has got to stop.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)voter suppression is a problem... I don't care who does it.
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Socal31
(2,484 posts)In August?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Going with a certain probability, then disenfranchising someone, that is what the GOP has been doing for years: if someone has a "black" name, or is of college age, or a senior from a non-affluent part of town, the probability is a vote for Democrats - and so these folks are disenfranchised through all manner of shenanigans.
It seems that Debbie's long-time GOP pals have taught her and the rest of the D establishment some (dirty) tricks.
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)would have identified voters likely to vote for Bernie ...
Gee, seem to remember something like this happening last fall ... and that Bernie's campaign has just gone ahead to file that lawsuit against the DNC.
Open primaries would prevent any voter from being disenfranchised for the remainder of this primary season. If any shenanigans happened (which would have benefited the perpetrator's candidate's chances), then let THIS RESULT serve as their punishment (and hopefully their candidate's loss).
Future election years? Change the system or hope that this serves to deter such underhanded nonsense in the future.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)The timing of these events is horridly chilling.
Debbie and her DINO-pals need to be indicted if they did as these facts suggest.
And just for good measure, maybe Clinton could untriangulatedly tell us whether she knew of these practices or not?
KPN
(15,650 posts)Future Election Years? Future primary years maybe, but I've already set out some criteria for at for how I, at least, will proceed come General Election time this year.
With what I'm seeing this year/this primary, I am getting very close to leaving the Democratic Party after a lifetime of voting D (every single f'ing time, top of the ballot down).
The rampant DNC/Clinton camp shenanigans (VOTER SUPPRESSION) and potential superdelegate fiasco (AUTHORITARIAN vicegrip CONTROL) are getting very close to convincing me that the Democratic Party is NOT IN THE LEAST DEMOCRATIC. If these two play out the way they seem to be, THE DNC and Clinton Campaign will have a very difficult time convincing me that they are any better than the GOP/GHWB Campaigns -- that they didn't outright steal the nomination.
I will give them the chance to convince me of that should Hillary win the nomination. But I'm not sure they even care or would even try. We shall see.
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)Maybe next time around, there will be a NEW party, a 3rd party that truly represents the people and the ideals of FDR and social democracies where things like tuition-free university, universal healthcare, a minimum wage that is a living wage, etc. are in place and have been for a long time.
One can only hope at this point.
PS: Lifelong Democratic party member, straight-ticket Dem. voter every election since I turned 18 in 1979.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)Thanks!
questionseverything
(9,658 posts)or any good hacker
but looking at who benefits...it sure seems to be hc
article from 2010 about blackbox voting in Arkansas , but nothing has changed except they are better at hiding it
1000s of votes disappear in the rep primary and emerge in the dem primary
our votes are nothing now but pixels on a screen
http://bradblog.com/?p=7875
Uncle Joe
(58,417 posts)At Friday's press conference, Weaver said, "The DNC is clearly acting in a heavy-handed way, in an unprecendented way. I would like to see another instance where a presidential campaign had their data -- their own data -- withheld under similar circumstances."
The Sanders campaign sought an injunction against the DNC Friday afternoon, claiming irreparable harm and seeking immediate access to the voter file system. A campaign aide said earlier Friday that there was no expectation the DNC would grant access before the close of business Friday.
Weaver said the original problem with the database's security, which did not involve the current database access company NGP VAN, dated back to October.
"We were very concerned that large amounts of our own data was being downloaded and we contacted the DNC to remedy the situation," he said. "We talked to them and we were assured that this was going to be taken care of. But apparently they are not competent in terms of maintaining the security of their data between the campaigns."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)That each campaign "accidentally" had access to the other's databases for a period of time last fall and that a lot of finger pointing towards Bernie's campaign people was going on as they were trying to see what exactly was going on in order to report the matter.
Perhaps it was actually HILLARY'S campaign people who took advantage of access to Bernie's database so that they'd know just which voters they'd need to target and mysteriously change their party affiliation .... ????
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Who accessed the HRC data was a person the Sanders camp hired on the advice of the DNC. They needed a person skilled in operation of software and he was one DNC said was good. They hired him and he then was "testing" to see if he could access the HRC info. He never told anyone till the news media called Sanders about it asking for a comment. The DNC informed the media and HRC and never told Sanders.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Seems pretty unlikely. What would be the point of that lie?
Cal33
(7,018 posts)Republicans - and in many different ways. I wouldn't be surprised if there were
Republican moles here at DU doing their best to create problems for the
Dems.`
Years ago I was at a different forum (which I still visit once in a blue moon). I
had been there about 10 years and became familiar with all the tricks they
commonly use. Once there was a new name that showed up. I decided to
chance it and asked "Do you Republicans get paid for writing here? His reply
was, "You mean you Democrats don't get paid?" I said "No, " and proceeded to
explain about interests, hobbies, etc. I wasn't surprised that he stayed in that
forum for a few more days, and I never saw him again.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)One less obstacle to voting.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Because their server logs absolutely do have IP records...
These registration switching shenanigans have gotten too numerous to ignore. There may well be nothing nefarious going on, but too many coincidences bug me.
snot
(10,538 posts)We have to control the infrastructure.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Who is doing this? Don't answer that.
This election is so rigged, but unfortunately for them Bernie supporters are watching their every move & reporting when there are probs.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)how many cannot?
I most certainly hope that a court orders the registrar to change her registration back to Democratic and issue her a ballot, "deadline" be damned.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)is a charade when the costs are crushing to the litigators. It is one more way run amoc vulture capitalism tramples on the rights of the individual.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)this is deliberate. Someone is going through the voter rolls and changing peoples parties. I wonder if this is happening to Republicans too?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)I don't think the Republicans are the only ones with dirty hands. The entire scope of corruption is becoming crystal clear with each incidence.
Have you heard of many Republican voters learning their voter registrations have been tampered with?
dana_b
(11,546 posts)"I don't think the Republicans are the only ones with dirty hands" - maybe not but it's hard to tell WHO exactly is responsible since closing down that many precincts and 5+ hour lines affects ALL of the voters, no matter who they are voting for. Granted it looks bad for the Repubs since in Az, for example, it was primarily the Latino communities that had the big reductions in precincts and where the longest lines were.
However if it's only the Democratic voters or one particular candidate's voters that are having their names purged from voter rolls, then yeah, it's easier to pinpoint who is more likely to be doing this.
Has anyone said or collected evidence that it's only the Bernie voters that are being purged/having their registration status changed or is this just speculation?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)The establishment doesn't care what party POTUS belongs to, as long as they are willing to go along to get along.
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Chezboo
(230 posts)RunInCircles
(122 posts)If you had access to the donor information you could target about a couple million voters for sudden party change.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)which would indicate support for Sanders. All the information needed to identify the voter in the state registration database, and then alter the registration.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)But online voter registration in all states require more info to complete the process. All registrations must have a signature. That is accomplished online when a voter provides their drivers license number or state photo id identification. When the state election division has their own online application it then checks the state's BMV database and if found transfers the signature to the voter registration record.
Also, changing it in the VAN does not change it in a state's voter registration. The VAN does not have direct access to the state's voter file or BMV. States do not provide all information from their voter file to political parties.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)There's no particular reason that these changes have to be done from the outside.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)The activity connected with anything on the inside would be recorded and noted. It would trigger an alert of unusual activity and someone would get suspicious. It would require everyone that has access to the system to be on board with it and there is always someone that leaks it.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)So it's trivial to create a new paper form to provide cover. And that assumes it's a government employee making the change.
The contractors that write and maintain the software have far more access to the information, and since they write the software that creates the audit log they can make changes that do not appear in the audit log.
Did it happen? No idea. But it's not that difficult to do from a technical angle.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)was not implemented until March 1, 2016.
Online voter registration comes to Kentucky
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)registration months ago. The story has some big holes in it.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)I live in Kentucky and as far as I know, you can not change your registration online. Registration in Kentucky has to be done at the county level
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)Both new and update.
But it requires knowing the person's social security number and date of birth. From the online site after the registration or update is accepted the county clerk mails a confirmation back to the person. Meaning the person would know a change had occurred.
It could be that Kentucky lady might have renewed her drivers license and without thinking didn't check off the party affiliation. I don't know if that is part of the process in Kentucky though.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I live in Oregon, it took 10 seconds and the will to do so to find out this fact.
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)If this person on Facebook is recounting events accurately, I hope she does her a lawyer to investigate, because whatever office in Kentucky she called seems to be all kinds of incompetent.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)That's my problem with these sorts of claims. There's no way to verify them, and yet people take the claims at face value, leaping to assume that one side or the other is evil.
Why would you assume the elections people are incompetent. She couldn't have had her registration changed online when she said it was. She provided the story, parts of it are verifiably false, why would you assume the rest are accurate?
JI7
(89,264 posts)seaglass
(8,173 posts)Any citizen may inspect or make copies of any registration record, pursuant to KRS 116.095. However, Social Security Numbers will not be disclosed.
116.095 Access to registration records.
The county clerk shall permit any citizen, at all reasonable hours, to inspect or make copies of any registration record, without any fee. He shall, upon request, furnish to any person a copy of the registration records, for which he may charge necessary duplicating costs not to exceed fifty cents ($0.50) per page.
Effective: July 13, 1990
History: Amended 1990 Ky. Acts ch. 48, sec. 7, effectiv
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Ratfucking detected.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Vinca
(50,303 posts)not in person voting. The woman should find out who else is a newly minted Independent and find out if it was intentional or not.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)once a cheater always a cheater.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)That Hillary and the DNC cabal have used social media, data on campaign donations (Or bumper sticker orders), and social media presence to selectively target registered Democrats likely to vote for Sanders for registration removal?
Sounds just like how they faked the moon landing!
Or it is:
A mistake
Or much, much more likely:
Never happened
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)that no matter how much or how little Hillary wins by, she cheated to win. She even cheats to lose. Once it is out there it piles on to the meme that will hurt her in the GE should she win the nomination. When the GOP gets finished in the GE they will thank Bernie.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)because 1). We know such data is being gathered and used, and 2). Ms. Clinton is known to cheat.
Without wishing to re-hash 2) at this point, on 1) see eg., from Canada 2013:
Campaigns now extensively use both robo-calling and robo-texting. And no political strategy is complete without the use of social media to plan campaigns, target likely voters and donors, and measure the impact of policies and advertising on engagement.
Some of these data are gathered from the conscious activities of individuals. Others are gleaned surreptitiously from the digital trails that people leave through their various online activities. Reports suggest that there were no fewer than 76 different tracking programs on barackobama.com. The capture of personal data by political parties is no longer selfgenerated, obvious or consensual...
/... http://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/aboriginality/bennett/
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)This is not likely any attempt by Hillary supporters to switch her party affiliation. The demographics suggest that they would target her as a likely supporter.
For anyone to go online to change her BMV registration or voter registration would require knowing information that would normally be known only by the individual. Not even family members or friends would know it except maybe the spouse.
She does need to find out what happened. She should also check online to see if there is any record of the transaction at the BMV.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Voter registrations don't just magically change, nor are they open to "hacking" and whatever the claim of the day is going to be.
This is an artful con, and we're not falling for it.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)It happened to my wife. After 30+ years as a registered Democrat, she found out she suddenly wasn't registered. No explanation. Just, poof, you're no longer a Democrat.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)progressoid
(49,999 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)I should had asked the following instead...
When was the last time she voted. And maybe a followup based on your response... When looking her up was the name or other info put in correctly. (If she didn't show up.) Did her status show inactive? (If she shows up.)
Did she re-register when she went to the caucus? It is my understanding that anyone can still vote if they register at the caucus.
I originally thought your post was that she showed up without a party affiliation.
If someone updates their drivers license in Iowa... they might have political affiliation set up with a default of "No Party"
progressoid
(49,999 posts)We haven't changed our status in 20 years. One of the election volunteers recognized her and was shocked she wasn't on the list. Turns out a lot of people weren't listed (including me - however I was out of state so I wasn't at the caucus). The entire thing was delayed for over an hour trying to get people provisional registrations. It was a clusterfuck.
She has since brought this issue up with several people, including at the county convention, and has not yet received an explanation. After April 15th, I will have time to go to the registrar and check my status.
For what it' worth, she's a Hillary alternate delegate.
November could get interesting.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)Was the list generated by the county election board or county party?
If it was the county party, which I doubt, then it would be someone not familiar with the VAN that the Democratic Party uses.
If it was the county election board then you definitely need bring it to the attention of your county Democratic Party and check with the county election board.
You should also check online to see what is there. Iowa Voter Registration Lookup
progressoid
(49,999 posts)From what I have gleaned, it was the county screw up, not the party. But of course they won't admit it.
Strangely, that Sec of State site showed my wife was actually registered (she also visited the site after the caucus). But at the caucus they didn't acknowledge it even though she had her registration card with her. And because she had to register again that night, she received a new card in the mail a few days later. On that one her name was misspelled. So then she got a third registration card in the mail. Gotta wonder what will happen in November.
She's heading to the district convention next month. Hope we'll find out more there.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)People's affiliations are being changed! Just saw in NY it happened...every state that is primary state is getting those that have registered as Dem either not on the rolls or they affiliation is changed. Keep being in denial.
OhZone
(3,212 posts)Ever see the show "Catfish?"
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)But really, who is "Lady in Kentucky" and how do we know any of what she says is true. It might be, but it's just a "quote."
Oh well.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)I had this couple working as a tag-team trying to get nakee pix of me. I prefer women, so he used Rachel as bait. She got into my closed facebook group and kept posting suggestive threads. After she said, she diskiled vibrators that looked like real you-know-what, she finally got me to post one nakee pic of me and one of my lil friends, shall we say. I deleted it quick but I bet she saved it and sent it to her boyfriend.
You breeders are sneaky. lol
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)she misunderstands the situation.
No one changed her registration maliciously. That's bullshit.
-none
(1,884 posts)After which Bernie contributors started receiving political mailings for Hillary. It was after this breach that recorded political affiliations stared to be a problem. A problem for Bernie supporters, but not apparently for Hillary supporters. Why the lop sided problem here.
If the excuses offered up by the DNC had any validity, them both Bernie and Hillary supporters would be affected pretty much equally. But that is not the case. The DNC is strangely quiet about this. It is mostly the Bernie supporters being disenfranchised by this. The whole thing stinks of wholesale election fraud.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)groups. They exchange mailing lists. This oft-repeated "link" to the data breach is ludicrous, and repeating it again and again doesn't give it any more credibility. It is a non-issue and I can assure you that although Hillary supporters get similar mail and e-mail all the time, we don't perceive it as a "problem" because we are not so naive to think something nefarious is behind it, or so dishonest to pretend that there is even though we know otherwise. Election fraud is a serious peril to democracy and this sort of nonsense only trivializes and distracts from the true threats.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)may have been moles from the Clinton campaign, which is why the DNC let this drop. Looks like more investigation is called for. Sorry that I can't site a source because I'm reading so much online.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)Oh, ffs.
Autumn Colors
(2,379 posts)Likely Bernie voters identified so that their political affiliation could be mysteriously changed, preventing them from voting in closed primaries.
Let the perpetrator's punishment for that be OPEN PRIMARIES FOR THE REST OF THE 2016 PRIMARY SEASON.
And .... let's hope that all of this will be revealed during Discovery in Bernie's lawsuit against the DNC.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)until after that data breach.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)why so many here are being so quick to blame "the Hillary camp" for this. Please link so we can evaluate the veracity of this and figure out what happened. If someone is hacking the system and changing people's registrations, of course it is serious and criminal and calls for action beyond "a hug from my Bernie friends." Has she notified the national press? If true, this is horrible. If false, also horrible.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So it is possible that there are glitches, hitches and misreadings. My advice to the FB poster would be to get a lawyer if she can but also counter the loss of her vote by registering eligible persons who are not likely to vote. That is, find others and register them. In KY you have to change Party prior to December but a new voter can register up to 28 days before the election. The answer to voter suppression is always this: make more voters.
Also this group might be able to offer suggestions as to recourse- Kentuckians For The Commonwealth
https://www.kftc.org/issues/voting-rights
MineralMan
(146,329 posts)I just checked, and it turns out I can type any combination of words I choose on Facebook, without anyone checking to see if they're true or not.
"lady on Facebook" is not a source of any verifiable data.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Bernie supporters in their infinite wisdom are blaming the Democratic Party of doing it.
This is remarkable.
GOP gets to stop voting, steal votes, miscount them with the machines they own, switch registrations, and blame it ALL on Hillary!
Remarkable, oh, I said that already.
At this rate, do we even deserve to win anymore?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)her at the primaries in FL. Her registration was changed (she's been straight Dem since 18) and her boyfriend's (who registered alongside her when they moved) was not. Other people at that same polling center had the same thing happen. Her username here is WannaBeGrumpy. You can ask.
That said, the sheer number of people either not caring or making a decision based on who they support in the primaries with regard to this is sickening.
amborin
(16,631 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)in NY, San Fran and OR and heard callers on Thom Hartmann saying their had been flipped in NH.
Something IS rotten in Denmark.
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MattP
(3,304 posts)People just looking to quit or what?
DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)Now if somebody did forge a new registration for her that would be a very serious crime. They would need her social security number and would have to forge her signature.
She should demand the card, or at least proof that such a card was turned in.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Drag the cheaters into the public view to face their shame.
AzSweet
(102 posts)My husband and Dad got their ballots in the mail, and I didnt..so I called, and they told me that I didnt have an affiliation. I told the clerk that I had neen a registered Dem for years.She told me that I had changed it. I told her that I was going online to change it back, right away. This was after the Feb. 22 deadline. Wouldnt you know it, I got a ballot in the mail a few days later. I wonder how many others this happened to, here in AZ, and elsewhere?
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)it's not far-fetched to imagine it as tampering.
Oops we made a mistake. Sorry there are too many.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)You are in denial of the corruption that is occurring to our votes in this election primary! Get real!!!