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thesquanderer

(11,991 posts)
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:07 AM Mar 2016

Sanders handily BEATS Nate Silver's target for yesterday's primaries

Not just a solid win, but a blowout that substantially beat 538's target.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

142 delegates were at stake in 3 contests. Bernie Sanders's target was 81 delegates; he has won 104.


ETA: updated with latest info from 538, which is even better now than when I first posted.
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Sanders handily BEATS Nate Silver's target for yesterday's primaries (Original Post) thesquanderer Mar 2016 OP
the guy has been wrong so many times about Bernie. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #1
Those weren't his predictions hack89 Mar 2016 #5
this is unusual with a deep well of unpolled voters out there that no one knows about roguevalley Mar 2016 #21
Silver made no predictions about yesterday hack89 Mar 2016 #22
No, the "take away from all this" is that Bernie's performance has been improving lately. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #31
But lsoon we will be in states that are favorable to Hillary and she will win a bunch of delegates hack89 Mar 2016 #32
Well, back in January, Nate picked Michigan for Bernie if Bernie were tied nationally with Hillary. Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #16
I'm sure he's devastated Capt. Obvious Mar 2016 #20
That is why his number went down to 56.5% needed of remaining PDs. morningfog Mar 2016 #2
Let's fix that: edgineered Mar 2016 #3
Thanks! I've updated the OP accordingly (n/t) thesquanderer Mar 2016 #9
Q: How did he get so many in Hawaii? Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #18
Since Nate has been wrong so often . . . .maybe we should discount his number, 538 by 20% pdsimdars Mar 2016 #4
lol +1. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #6
You do understand those targets were not predictions? hack89 Mar 2016 #7
See post 11. nt edgineered Mar 2016 #13
That post says nothing about the targets, now does it? Nt hack89 Mar 2016 #14
Try to follow the OP for a minute. I'll help you. edgineered Mar 2016 #15
And the OP is about beating targets hack89 Mar 2016 #17
Thought the word yesterday's was in the title. edgineered Mar 2016 #19
The 538 site now reports a 20% increase! INGSOC nt edgineered Mar 2016 #12
Look at all those states where he missed his targets hack89 Mar 2016 #8
Yup. That's why he's still an underdog. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #30
The targets are based on demographics 6chars Mar 2016 #10
News flash for the nay-sayers in this thread edgineered Mar 2016 #11
To the naughty list w/ them!! desmiller Mar 2016 #27
K&R amborin Mar 2016 #23
I'm not sure how you got 98 and certainly not 105 Number23 Mar 2016 #24
Numbers were on the 538 site, on the page I linked to thesquanderer Mar 2016 #25
Maybe the 538 linked showed Idaho and Utah too. Which does equal to 98 if you count them Number23 Mar 2016 #26
Did you look at the 538 link? thesquanderer Mar 2016 #28
Yep, you're right. The NY Times link is very different on this for some reason Number23 Mar 2016 #29

hack89

(39,171 posts)
5. Those weren't his predictions
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:25 AM
Mar 2016

They were the delegates he needed to win in each state to win. He is still well behind where he needs to be because he seldom meets his targets.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
21. this is unusual with a deep well of unpolled voters out there that no one knows about
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 02:43 PM
Mar 2016

the caucuses showed that yesterday. Nate Silver is not reliable

hack89

(39,171 posts)
22. Silver made no predictions about yesterday
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 03:01 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:09 PM - Edit history (2)

all he did several months ago was lay out the most likely path for Bernie to win and assign targets for each state.

The only take away from all this is that Bernie is underperforming by about 15% and is missing more targets than he is making.

thesquanderer

(11,991 posts)
31. No, the "take away from all this" is that Bernie's performance has been improving lately.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:59 PM
Mar 2016

Of course he's got a long way to go. But he has a better shot with numbers that are getting better than he would have with numbers that were getting worse!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
32. But lsoon we will be in states that are favorable to Hillary and she will win a bunch of delegates
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:12 PM
Mar 2016

yesterday was not some transformational event - it is merely the typical back and forth of a hard fought primary.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
16. Well, back in January, Nate picked Michigan for Bernie if Bernie were tied nationally with Hillary.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:54 PM
Mar 2016

But, then like every kid with a new model, he started fidgeting with it, and wound up with a wrong projection for that election just 2 days before Michigan voted.



edgineered

(2,101 posts)
3. Let's fix that:
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:17 AM
Mar 2016

He picked up:
13 in AK
18 in HI
74 in WA

Bernie earned 105 delegates

We cannot blindly trust what the PTB and media says.

eta: here: http://demrace.com/

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
18. Q: How did he get so many in Hawaii?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:00 PM
Mar 2016

A: Because they love the Bern in Hawaii!!!

Someday, I am going to move to Hawaii.


 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
4. Since Nate has been wrong so often . . . .maybe we should discount his number, 538 by 20%
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:21 AM
Mar 2016
And call it 457 now

just sayin'

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
15. Try to follow the OP for a minute. I'll help you.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:42 PM
Mar 2016

The OP uses 538's reporting of Sanders earning 98 delegates - go back up and look, you'll see it. Then click on the link and look at how many delegates 538 is reporting as going to Sanders. This is known as reporting on an event that has already transpired, not a prediction.

It may be difficult to understand but there is a difference between saying what will happen and being wrong about it, and saying what did happen and being wrong about. One is an opinion and one is a lie. Usually one easily deals with a mistaken opinion, we all have them. Others choose to deny that they are wrong and are called liars.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
17. And the OP is about beating targets
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:58 PM
Mar 2016

something Bernie has not been very successful at when you look at every state that has voted. That is why he is losing by such a large margin. My only point.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
19. Thought the word yesterday's was in the title.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:06 PM
Mar 2016

That would make the OP specific to a particular target and nothing more. But anyway, we're here to have fun, not to discuss politics. (?)

thesquanderer

(11,991 posts)
30. Yup. That's why he's still an underdog.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:56 PM
Mar 2016

That's why meeting his target last week, and substantially exceeding it this week, are encouraging moves in the right direction. But of course, the odds are still way against him. The point is, they're getting slightly better. A couple of days ago, predictwise gave him only a 5% chance of winning the nomination, now it's almost doubled to a 9% chance. It's not going to turn around overnight, this was about the best and Sanders supporter could have hoped for out of this weekend.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
10. The targets are based on demographics
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 11:41 AM
Mar 2016

Given the makeup of the democratic electorate in different states, and assuming a 50-50 national split, the targets say what we would expect each candidate to do in each state, e.g., in New Hampshire, the demographics favor Bernie so Hillary's target was 9, Bernie's was 15. Both met their target exactly. In other states she has a higher target than 50% or he does.

In southern states, she tended to exceed her targets. In a lot of his states Bernie has exceeded his targets. I think the targets tend to understate the victor's advantage in each state.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
11. News flash for the nay-sayers in this thread
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:24 PM
Mar 2016

There is a difference between 538's predictions and the results. Not everyone is an idiot. When the referenced site

has a column WON/TARGET and it shows the wrong information under the WON side, it is no longer a matter of a prediction being off. It becomes more of the same bullshit that we are being spoon fed.

So just keep on defending lies and misinformation, nothing less is expected from you.

thesquanderer

(11,991 posts)
25. Numbers were on the 538 site, on the page I linked to
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:00 PM
Mar 2016

The number currently shown there is 104.

The NYT page you cited is obviously not final, as it shows 55 for Sanders and 20 for Clinton, which only totals 75, despite 142 delegates available.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
26. Maybe the 538 linked showed Idaho and Utah too. Which does equal to 98 if you count them
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:04 PM
Mar 2016

And Clinton picked up 31, or 75 if you include Arizona as well which was on the same day as Utah and Idaho.

Which is why even with Sanders wins yesterday, he is still almost 270 delegates behind. It appears that he only netted about 25 delegates over Clinton yesterday.

thesquanderer

(11,991 posts)
28. Did you look at the 538 link?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:16 PM
Mar 2016

As I said in the OP, for yesterday's date, it states:

"142 delegates were at stake in 3 contests. "

And the highlighted states are shown, as expected: Washington, Hawaii, Alaska.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
29. Yep, you're right. The NY Times link is very different on this for some reason
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

The 538 link shows Sanders with 74 delegates in Washington. NY Times shows him with only 25

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