at this point, I don't care anymore, I just want the constant insinuations to stop, there is not a single type of person who does this stuff, we are all individuals, or at least I would like to believe we are better than the marching in lock step republicans.

and I never heard that Bernie would agree to being VP w/ Hillary... This would be antithetical to his positions and entire history to bow down to THIRD Way positions ... of the corporate elite.

Will cause me to vote other come November. If they won fair and square, I would vote for her even though I don't agree with her on a lot of issues. I won't give my vote to those who stole our chance.

No hypocrisy on my part.

Bernie or Bust people are accused of possibly doing sometime in the future, if that situation arises...

Then there is no framework within which I can construct an answer for you.

No hypocrisy on my part.

and that the PUMAs were pretty much the same thing (in reality) as what the BoB people are being accused of (in theory)?


If so, why did you post that most Clinton supporters were not puma? You seem to be trying to create a distinction there. If you were, then that is hypocritical. They are pretty much the same thing (assuming the Bernie or Bust thing actually materializes).

And i stated a fact that modt HRC supporters were not puma.

Puma was wrong as is bernie or bust.

I am sorry if it came across wrong.

Sorry my friend.

I am a huge Bernie supporter. I don't want to vote for Hillary. But, I will if it's her or a republican.

One of my best friends voted for Bernie and said she would NEVER vote for Hillary. That was a few weeks ago. Now she says she will vote for Hillary over trump or cruz.

Give it time and don't be insensitive.

Not one of the members of my local Democratic Club said they would not vote for the nominee.

NanceGreggs said "just because it's on DU doesn't make it so".

"He would be between a rock and a hard place
having to choose between endorsing one of the most corrupt, dishonest, dangerous candidates in recent history and the prospect of a Republican president.

There would be so much agony surrounding that situation that I would not be surprised if someone saw an opportunity and jumped into the race."

By that time, I think many would support Bernie running as an Independent.
Hillary is Third Way, and Bernie has shown people a new way.

It gets boring.

they are doubling down and defending Hillary's support of Reagan trickle-down economics, Wall Street deregulation, Hillary's neo-conservative foreign policy disasters in the Middle East while at the same time defending more US jobs to Asia to help "the needy people overseas". At the same time, leveling misogynistic and racist bullshit at Sanders.

We have two right wing parties and only one candidate who embraces the left.

Clearly we do not, and will never, get along. But ask yourself this? Is disparity, inequality getting better or worse under the conservative economic and social policies of establishment Democrats and Republicans?

It is getting worse. Our education costs sky rocketing, health care costs sky rocketing, rent and cost of living sky rocketing.

So why vote for more of it?

You can argue about the definitions of right and left, but that statement is generally true.

That is why Bernie supporters have a very hard time voting for Hillary.

Can you prove this? I have only seen indignation from the Bernie camp here on DU. In real life, Bernie supporters I have met are not like this. Thank god. My experience with HRC voters have been far more reasonable then the BS supporters.

There really is no home for a leftist.

I haven't heard or seen one Clinton supporter say this here or in real life.
Nice smear.

That's the million dollar question.

they are not Democrats is because of corporatist Dem politicians like Hillary Clinton.

They would not have registered as Dems, and would not be voting in the current Dem primary, if Bernie Sanders wasn't running, and they won't be voting for Clinton in the GE if she is nominated.

Long time Dems who support Bernie are split, but I suspect 85-90% will vote for Clinton in the GE if she is nominated.

I suspect that a minimum of 25% of the Bernie supporters who vote/voted for Bernie in the primaries will not vote for Clinton in the GE if she is nominated.

Supporters want the candidate to lead the COUNTRY, not the party.

Someone is a bit confused about the goal of this process.

shows the appalling weaknesses of the so called front runner.

it seems to be the only defense they have and they have no real reason for us to vote for Hillary OR they are only sharing that over in the Hillary thread from which I have been banned so I would never know.

yeah...when people are not given good reasons to vote FOR someone, some decide to vote elsewhere or not at all.

be Hillary, the DNC and Hillary Supporters.

who cant win a ge.

"vote as you're told for the candidates we've chosen for you: if you complain, if you try and get involved, the Republicans will win and it'll be ALL. YOUR. FAULT"

they want a party with no enacted policies, just blind and unconditional voting based on not being the other guy

after two decades of seeing established pols whip right around and pass the GOP policies they were just denouncing, seeing them torpedo primaries and run the dullest floppers because it was "their turn" in the trajectory of a career statesperson and endorse third-party candidates against the Democrat and willfully hemorrhaging seats and voters

the whole "everything's Nader's fault and it's about to happen again" rings rather hollow, even after it was quickly found that Gore won FL anyway: it's the Moon landing denial of the party because it just. won't. die

two candidates who will screw them almost equally. there is more at stake than just the presidency and the next four years. there are much bigger issues and future political structures at stake.

we have seen how well the holding the nose and voting approach has worked, and many have decided that a candidate who wants to win needs to earn that win by having positions that engender passion and willingness to vote FOR someone not just against the lesser corporate puppet.

them like kids who have to be kept out of the kitchen

but yeah, no doubt we would get the blame if she got into the ge and lost big. not the dnc or Hillary herself but us disloyal malcontents who refused to go along.

CLEARLY not anything that the DNC could be doing

disaster debbie, cat 5

Needs this earn our vote! How about about we run candidates that stand on dem principles.

but its time...lets get crazy!

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But I'm getting sick and tired of having to carry a barf bag and hold my nose at the polls.

But I'll vote for Hillary as an anti-Trump vote.
Come on folks - if it's Hillary or Trump, vote for the lesser of two evils.

If Hillary is the nominee, there will be a low turnout because once again, we'll have to vote against someone rather than for someone.

support Hillary in the GE. Almost all of my friends here in San Diego are Bernie supporters and not one of them say that won't vote for Hillary if she wins.

You mark my words, Bernie will be there right along side Hillary supporting her in the GE. This is just a bunch of nonsense.

No Democrat is going to just let Trump win.

You are a Democrat. Those who will not vote for the Party's nominee are NOT democrats. Democrats vote for Democratc candidates. It is that simple. Whoever is the Democratc nominee w II get my vote. Period. I know what Republican Presidents do.

Threats not to vote are scurrilous nonsense.

this is a fair election and that we can vote with the knowledge that the candidate we are voting for deserves out vote. Cheating and lies are out.

This is the truth and as long as they lecture us like wayward children - that will not win our vote.

entitled and that is the way they have continued. She assumes that we will have to vote for her regardless. But what she forgets is that many of Bernie's supporters are Independents and even Rs. And many of us Democrats live in states that will go blue even without us.

She needs to earn our votes and she is not trying that at all. Many of the things she does are actually turning us off.

nose and vote Hillary if worst comes to worst (put me in this camp) but the "d" in DU is Democratic. 

The "Bernie or Bust" folks aren't all necessarily Democrats (liberal libertarians, progressive independents, Greens, etc.). 

Why would they support Hillary who they see (with some justification) as an architect and apologist for the broken status quo? 

Also, think of the Progressive Democratics in deep blue or deep red states: their vote will not turn the statewide outcome either way. Why would they NOT vote Green in protest against a status quo establishment conservative Democratic nominee? What's the harm in their protest vote so long as they vote for the progressive Democrats down ballot? 

Let's focus on making sure that ALL Democrats in ALL battleground states vote for Sanders or (gods forbid) Hillary no matter who is our nominee? 

Why lament that Hillary cannot possibly win Sanders' liberal libertarian supporters, his progressive independent supporters, his Green party supporters, his Regan ex-Democrat Republican supporters, his *gasp* socialist supporters? Hillary has written off these voters off so she needs to win without them or we need to nominate Sanders (and you know where I lie down on that issue). 

Why fret about these votes? If we want them, they are within our grasp - just nominate Sanders! If we don't want these votes, surely Jill Stein and Donald Trump and "stay at home" are the alternatives these people will choose.

My vote's either going to Stein or Bernie if he breaks his word (which yes, will immensely disappoint me but I understand) and runs third party; and then democratic down ticket because holy goddess we need the incompetent right wing obstructionists out. I just pray we're not replacing them with obstructionist Third Way dems.

They are not on our side, and never have been.