it was purposely set up outside government auspices and FOIA requests for a reason. I would venture to guess the primary reason was the rather unsavory shakedowns of foreign governments and global corporations for the Clnton Global Initaitive/Slush Fund. You know, the tax-free ATM that Hill & Bill could use to pay associates in need, travel like rock stars, and once in a great while give a nod & a wink to actual charity work.

When Sidney Blumenthal needed a DC gig (and Obama wasn't hiring his ilk), she put him on the payroll. When Anthony Weiner left Congress in disgrace, Huma got paid for an imaginary job, or double-dipped for her existing duties. And foreign governments/corporations looking to do business with the USA knew they could toss a million here or there at Bill and Hill would make things happen. Gee no wonder Hillary thought a secret server might come in handy.

Say what you want about Bernie, it'll be a cold day in hell before he pulls shenanigans like that.

you are on the right track.

The emails are a fig leaf, covering over unprecedented corruption.

One hundred forty-seven FBI agents have been deployed to run down leads, according to a lawmaker briefed by FBI Director James B. Comey. The FBI has accelerated the investigation because officials want to avoid the possibility of announcing any action too close to the election.


From article

for the article at the Post are brutal.

I wonder if this story is why we suddenly saw the corporate media covering Bernie events?

facts and laws broken. If it had been a secretary or janitor, they probably would have not been heard of again.

Same themes, attitudes, phrases, even. More constraints here, though.

DU could be a microcosm of everything out there.

I do not have sources at DoJ, beyond the usual email all media (and you) can sub to. But their DOJ correspondents do have sources, and sometimes sources throw a few shall we say... clues of what shit is about to hit the fan, and more or less when. I doubt they told them all, but anybody with sources knows precisely what to do with those conversations over a whiskey over ice, that never happened.

I wonder if the FBI leaks to the NY Post... were truly taken as a shot across the bow of state?

Do you happen to have a link?

since it was the NY Post... they have been getting a few leaks in the recent past.

I will send you a PM. and realize it's the NY Post...

Yeah, I'm familiar with the NY Post's well deserved rep.

When the judge ordered the two departments to work together when this first broke. The State wasn't doing anything at the time to make sure that they had Hillary's complete record.

Things are moving

because if they decide there is enough to convict, and this is national security kids, not elections. it will have an effect on the elections... nasty quagmire.

is also under investigation. There are 2 seperate probes.

1.- Judicial Watch FOIA lawsuit (The Witch hunt and what started the whole thing) It is civil and discovery has been granted

2.- Email Server
3. Foundation

These two are criminal most likely

The next two could offer evidence for 2 or 3, or both

4, Inspector General of the State Department investigation
5.- CIA IG

And now there are rumors, not that the NSA will confirm, after SAP material appeared in a Blumenthal email. that the NSA is getting involved.

Yeah, she managed to piss the intel folk. They don't just play, they play to win.

emails at all. That had to be an OH SHIT moment. She has managed to piss off everyone that could have walked her out of the problem. When people are at that level they don't have real friends, just people who are out to see what they can get. I tend to think that the Blumenthal deal may have burnt some bridges with 1600 Pennsylvania.

Say hello to President Sanders!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

I have no facts. I think Comey will not agree to anything that allows Hillary to keep her security clearance. He is a stickler for the rules. Some say he wants an indictment. Some people believe he along with other FBI agents will resign if Hillary is not indicted. So I am not really sure if he would give her the deal, but perhaps Loretta Lynch and President Obama will convince him not to pursue an indictment in exchange for revoking her security clearance and an agreement that she will not pursue holding Federal office again (ever).

I just don't think anyone wants to see Clinton get a prison term over this. However, even if she reaches a deal, that still leaves the Clinton Foundation hanging....

I do not know the extent of the damages so perhaps I am very wrong about this.

This is a double whammy, with the Foundation being involved.

Sam

is. You may be entirely correct. I am just going to say I am not going that far yet because I am stuck on Part 1. Part is Part 2 to me (that includes Bill). I have been waiting for this to happen, and now that it has hit the mainstream, it takes my breath away.

Sam

It is hard to see how Bill and Hillary can continue with business as usual.

Sam

Why should she be permitted to continue to profit from the Clinton Foundation and the corruption?

I think there are plenty of people who would feel a prison sentence appropriate if the criminal activity is what we think it is.

Gee. Even Martha Stewart went to prison, for comparative diddly squat.

as well. I personally think that is why Bill Clinton made that ugly comment the other day about the really bad last eight years. The minute he said it I thought he was publicly insulting Obama. That evening the Clinton campaign walked the comment back by saying Bill was not referring to Obama but the Republican obstruction. I thought well the FBI must be investigating the pay-to-play at the Clinton Foundation and Bill is ticked.

I think it would be a national embarrassment for Hillary Clinton to go to jail and for the rest of the world to see that. I think a deal would eliminate that. You are right that it is not fair but I think the excuse would be something like she has contributed so much positive over the years she has served. Her security clearance would be revoked, she would pay a fine, she would resign from the race "for health reasons" and never run for public office again. A deal would shut the discussion down really quickly, and I think that is to the Country's good.

Martha Stewart should have never gone to jail.

Sam

And President Obama will refuse to indict. Despite the evidence.

I hope that's an incorrect assumption. The backlash would be devastating, esp with the LAT getting this type of information.

the ship of state is starting to leak

I will send you the link to the NY Post, realize it is the NY Post... but they seem to have found a leak... reminds me so much of oh 1972

I think he will try to negotiate a deal. I think there are limits to which he will go, though. He has to be upset that Hillary was one might say running a rogue operation. He did say from the outset no Sidney Blumenthal yet there in the emails is Sidney giving Hillary foreign affairs advice....

Sam

He did not have a security clearance (you are right about that), but when the emails were revealed there was Sidney giving her foreign affairs advice, some of which she discussed with Obama, but of course did not reveal her source. She put Sidney on the payroll of the Clinton Foundation since he could not be on the government payroll.

So I believe President Obama had to be p*ssed when he discovered this.

Sam

mistakes. I knew this thing was going to accelerate, and people would start paying more attention when the leaks went to more mainstream sources.

Previously, the items I was reading was mostly conservative sites. People of course would think this was just something political. So I thought when it started hitting mainsteam, it would really take off. They just released so much suddenly, it is overwhelming. I feel like I can't catch my breath. In the coming days, there will be so much happening with this and the election, it is going to be a rough ride.

Sam

Get some rest, Sam. I should as well.

I'm having trouble keeping up with all the comments sections of the articles published today. So many times there are great comments.

Get some rest! We need all hands on deck digesting this stuff.

You are right. This is going to be a tough one to follow while doing my income taxes!

Things are going to get very complicated with this investigation and the election running on parallel tracks.

Sam

that article is dated today.

Everything is popping at once.

the cleanest administrations ever, and he has been justifiably proud of that.

And chaos.

which has also been granted discovery.

This is a criminal investigation

or... this will be in the news tomorrow

They could have dropped it Friday and it would have been lost.

and damn it, I have a city budget to read too

What could be going on behind the scenes. There are probably several layers of scenes. We'll never know.

at the local bar... on the bright side smoking is no longer that huge.

I hope that Delorean has enough space for all of us

When FOIAs were presented, the automatic State Department response was "We have no records." Of course it didn't. They were all on Hillary's server. So the requests were denied and that is a huge, serious problem. It was illegal to respond we have no information when in fact there was information (without the State Department's knowledge).

Sam

That's pretty damning stuff.

1. New info about Hillary personally acknowledging the DSS warning about Blackberry use, but continuing to use it exclusively anyway.2. The Post apparently hasn't read her signed security agreement that lists the felony statutes Sec 793 and 794 under which she can be charged for mishandling of classified materials.

Or am I right that this is as serious as it gets, as in the FBI already has the answers... and are going to give up the rope.

If there were serious doubts she broke the law or a sizable minority view to that effect, we would be hearing that view loud and clear. But, we're instead hearing details of crimes and an effort to determine proper charging.

Analog, eats D batteries , and weighs a ton, but still works perfectly fine. Unless it rains.

Can't say I am sad at all about these developments!

Google "Hillary Blumenthal Syria"

And to think she was doing this behind Obama's back after he Black-Balled Blumenthal from working in the State Dept Hillary led

and that is why I don't think he will jump in to save the day for her. But he might to mitigate the damages. If she resigns from the race, I believe she will say it is for the health reasons.

Sam

I also don't know exactly what evidence the FBI has.

I also don't know to what extent the Clinton Foundation will be sucked into this (I believe there are huge problems there, but I have no specifics to report).

This is going to be very, very difficult....

Sam

or even reprimanding her and her aides.

As it is, this has to some degree, tarnished his administration which was otherwise pretty clean. For his own reputation, he will not defend what she did. He actually, at points, distanced himself, claiming he did not know what was happening.

The REAL sad thing is not that it could harm Clinton, but that it could lead to a terrible Republican President - in a year where any decent Democrat would have beaten any of their contenders. In addition, as has happened before, some of the blame will go to others who were in positions where they could not easily contest what she wanted - and they are face being questioned.

I mentioned the fact President Obama had had a remarkably scandal-free administration, and that was truly a feat. I also said if he tried to step in and help Hillary, it would adversely impact his legacy. Got that shot down as well. But I did not know then some of the things I found out yesterday, so with the information coming fast and furiously, who knows what tomorrow will bring.

I am sure my Republican brother from Florida will call me tomorrow and say this will hand the election to Trump. So I am not going to argue that. I have to stay positive and say Trump cannot win. I can't stand Cruz, so what can I say.

I think the Dems will regroup very quickly and I will just wait and see what they come up with (probably Biden jumping in). Personally, I support Sanders so I am sure he is not going to have a scandal crop up tomorrow.

Sam

the Dems will have a Sanders problem, and trust me, for the dems, that is a problem

Libya and Syria on a SOS getting bad advice from Blumenthal. A lot of Obama's legacy problems can be flushed down the drain with casting the Clintons out.

That is a problem in a pretty corrupt environment

"I'm happy people are looking at the emails," she added. "Some of them are you know, frankly, a little embarrassing. ... You find out that sometimes I'm not the best on technology and things like that."

Her professed naivete collides with a set of now-disclosed 2011 emails. Aide Jake Sullivan, who's trying to send her a message — we don't know its sensitivity — tells her that staffers "say they've had issues sending secure fax. They're working on it." Clinton's reply: "If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure."
Hmm.

Thanks for posting. Very interesting.

Long story short, some argue that all the regulations, over-classification, and archaic technology, make the Department of State a hindrance for diplomats to do their work. In that context, Secretary Clinton was just trying to cut through the red tape so she could see what she needed to see, and do her job.

I have issues with that argument, but it has played pretty well so far.

"I'm happy people are looking at the emails," she added. "Some of them are you know, frankly, a little embarrassing. ... You find out that sometimes I'm not the best on technology and things like that."

Her professed naivete collides with a set of now-disclosed 2011 emails. Aide Jake Sullivan, who's trying to send her a message — we don't know its sensitivity — tells her that staffers "say they've had issues sending secure fax. They're working on it." Clinton's reply: "If they can't, turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure." Hmm.

this is exploding.

but the Chicago Trib and the LA Times are part of one happy family, the Tribune Publishing company. So it is possible that the Tribune family will pick up and mirror the story across the happy family

Also I am sure they have sources in DC. As to one paper running and breaking and the rest picking up a story, happens all the time

I've seen stories mirrored before, it's just that this is a long and important story. Then again, what does it take to print it online? Tomorrow will tell the tale, when we're told if this is important or not. lol

P.S. It's also that it's not so much news. "How Hillary Clinton's email scandal took root"

Lol, it just makes me think of several papers all deciding to run a feature like "How it's easy for astronomers to miss big asteroids".

sure, I could see the asteroid story

on NYT website.

Ok someone has to do it... let's check foreign press

Nothing yet.

What's wrong with her? What's wrong with her followers?

How the hell did she get to where she is now?

Lady MacBeth comes to mind for some reason, only Lady MacBeth had a conscience.

Sorry for all the unanswerable questions, guess I'm a little nervous.

I'm afraid to hope against hope. The country could get a reprieve from what would be a very bad outcome but I am seriously afraid to get my hopes up.

We may have missed the bullet. Maybe.

Either she's somewhat maimed but her blind followers and nonblind establishment backers rally round her and she's lauded with ever more victim status and goes on to perhaps win the nomination and enter god knows what in the GE -- OR, she's taken out now. The latter would be cleaner, if shocking to the country, and we'd have a chance at the only candidate who has the courage and will to actually help the people of this country.

The GE remains up in the air either way but Bernie has greater cross-party appeal. And I'm probably overlooking all kinds of pertinent stuff.

This is nerve wracking.

Something is terribly, terribly wrong with this person.

I always end up feeling sorry for her husband and child.

Her sense of entitlement and lust for power and money overrides what I think what was once a good intent. However, I don't feel sorry for Bill - he is cut from the same cloth. And Chelsea is old enough to have wised up. After all Ron and Nancy's kids did!

I'm sorry, your comment made that scene from the movie flash through my mind.

If she wins, she can have it installed in the basement of the WH.

Laws are for everyone else.....not the political elite.

Riches untold. Power unmeasureable.

They are running for the border right now, trying to get away with it all.

If she didn't have poor judgement, she would have no judgement at all.

It will be one the Republicans will use in a way Bernie hasn't and which would actually be poor strategy in the primaries.

What was she thinking? She knew her goal was to run in 2016, why do something like this?

"I want what I want. I want my Blackberry. I don't want two Blackberries. I don't want to use a desktop. I don't want to be bothered with learning technology. I want everything on my home server. I want gov't and slush fund emails where I can find all of them together".....

blah blah blah

Madame Secretary will be lucky to get out of this with only losing her security clearance for life.

Depending on what is in those deleted emails relative to the Clinton Foundation it is possible it will take an Obama pardon to keep her out of jail.

Or racist. Or whatever.

It was going to take root the second the Republicans heard of it. Blame Hillary Clinton for putting herself up for it.

It's more likely, since she knew there was a good chance she'd run for POTUS again, her handlers wanted to make sure everything she wrote or said would be out of the reach of FOIA requests. Now that's a backfire.

Seriously, it would have been too bothersome to use a desk top computer in her office?

Consider no one would be saying that she personally had to set it up and get it working. It also would seem to be there for nothing more than managing email. I bet it would have taken her personal email guy far less time to do that and help her get comfortable than it did for him to do everything he did on the private server.

This was not really about convenience, it was at best refusing to adjust to minor changes and having the arrogance to ignore everyone who said she shouldn't. NEITHER are good personality traits for a President.

keeping illegal actions off the official books; using her position as SoS as a money maker for the Clinton Foundation.

"On Jan. 13, 2009, a longtime aide to Bill Clinton registered a private email domain for Hillary Clinton, clintonemail.com, that would allow her to send and receive email through the server."

In fact, I'm in computers and have ran email servers. It's unlikely she didn't get hacked. If she sent any emails to foreign govs - including England, they were likely watching every email she sent through that address ever after.

A good hacker would leave little trace.

"scandal" failed to bring down Obama in 2012. They pivoted to bringing down Hillary after that.

- however, there were FOIA actions on other subjects for which they found no Clinton email. It might have been that none of those denials would have led to anyone discovering that she had used a private server. It sounds from this article - confirming the original NYT story, that the State Department demanded she give them the emails. I suspect it was a SD source to that NYT story that spoke of their efforts to get the email, so they could comply. She screwed up not giving her work email to be archived as soon as she left.

The SD was left with the choice of stonewalling for Clinton OR demanding the emails back. They chose following the law over covering for Clinton. I suspect that the Clinton delays and the time needed to get them in shape forced the SD to explain that they had to get the emails back. Otherwise, they would have had no explanation why it would have ultimately taken them 3 years to get all the email.

Presidential candidate from one of the major parties who was being investigated by the FBI at the same time he/she was running for president?

Setting aside whether she is indicted, the conscious decision to utilize a private server shows such poor judgment and disregard for the rules that it calls into question Hillary's suitability for the presidency. Very Nixonian in my mind.