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Maddow: Sanders "not competing" in Super Tuesday states is "bull". (Original Post) Agschmid Mar 2016 OP
Clinton Outspends Sanders in Super Tuesday States kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #1
So "not competing" is spending 3 million dollars? Agschmid Mar 2016 #3
He is keeping the delegate counts as close as he can GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #5
$3M is for all Super Tuesday kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #6
He spent $0 in Virginia... Agschmid Mar 2016 #8
Also seems kind of hard to have a campaign office, with staff, in Richmond VA for 0 Dollars... Agschmid Mar 2016 #10
That is ad money kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #11
So then they were competing... Agschmid Mar 2016 #12
Campaign offices are a form of competing. nt geek tragedy Mar 2016 #18
Bernie campaigning in Arkansas would have been a lost cause Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #22
I love how she showed how Sanders had more offices than Hillarry in those lunamagica Mar 2016 #2
Yup, I remember when she first reported on it. Agschmid Mar 2016 #4
There were all sorts of posting here bragging about how many staffers Sanders had in SC KingFlorez Mar 2016 #15
SC was not part of Super Tuesday. thesquanderer Mar 2016 #23
Didn't BS' campaign out spend HRC 2-1 in ads? Iliyah Mar 2016 #7
Has Rachel stopped reporting on issues? noamnety Mar 2016 #9
She's always done that as soon as there's an election. n/t cui bono Mar 2016 #13
also talks about pledged delegate victory and then proceeded to show the pledged+super-delegate count TheSocialDem Mar 2016 #14
Every time Bernie speaks about the state of his campaign.... Sheepshank Mar 2016 #16
I wonder how all of the Sanders volunteers in those states feel about being disappeared by Devine geek tragedy Mar 2016 #17
... Agschmid Mar 2016 #19
I think he and Mark Penn are the same person. geek tragedy Mar 2016 #21
Her larger point was that Sanders dominates caucus states where his supporters can Yavin4 Mar 2016 #20
Why not? Punkingal Mar 2016 #24
They're too busy finding ways to make enough money floriduck Mar 2016 #30
Bernie Sanders’ campaign offers awkward take on state of the race Gothmog Mar 2016 #25
Yup. Agschmid Mar 2016 #27
Sanders did NOT fully compete in all Super Tuesday States. He doesn't have billionaires and the Skwmom Mar 2016 #26
Except he spent more in some states, so clearly cash flow isn't a problem. Agschmid Mar 2016 #28
SOME states. Why not ALL states? Because he doesn't have unlimited resources. Cash flow would Skwmom Mar 2016 #31
I see his point that he couldn't spend $$$ on deep south states with likely extremely limited payoff JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #29

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
1. Clinton Outspends Sanders in Super Tuesday States
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:14 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/clinton-outspends-sanders-super-tuesday-states-n524266

Clinton is national figure while Sanders is regional at best. She outspend him $4M to $3M in these states. If he was going to have any chance he should have spend double her spend.

For example he spend $1M+ in just Washington state. I think he spend like $4M in NV.
 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
5. He is keeping the delegate counts as close as he can
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

I listened to the state of the race after March 15th and the original goal was to win Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada to have momentum into the southern states but since that failed plan B is what is going on ever since.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
8. He spent $0 in Virginia...
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:20 PM
Mar 2016

Really?

One of the swing states and he just gave it up... That's supposed to make him seem more electable to me?

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
22. Bernie campaigning in Arkansas would have been a lost cause
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary won 74 out of 75 counties, mostly because of her 12 years as the state's First Lady.

But Bernie did have offices in Little Rock and Fayetteville, so he obviously spent money in the state.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
2. I love how she showed how Sanders had more offices than Hillarry in those
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:58 PM - Edit history (1)

states he didn't care about

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
15. There were all sorts of posting here bragging about how many staffers Sanders had in SC
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:27 PM
Mar 2016

He contested southern states all right, he just didn't do well.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
23. SC was not part of Super Tuesday.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

He poured lots of resources into SC to no avail. That's presumably what prompted him to cut back on certain states thereafter, and put most of his energy into states where he felt he could likely get a better result for his investment of time and money.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
9. Has Rachel stopped reporting on issues?
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

I stopped watching MSNBC.

Has she turned into one of those "reporters" who reports on polls and strategies and tweets instead of the issues?

TheSocialDem

(191 posts)
14. also talks about pledged delegate victory and then proceeded to show the pledged+super-delegate count
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

only

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
16. Every time Bernie speaks about the state of his campaign....
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

You can see how his twists the data, tries to create a selling point. Bernie manipulates the reasons for the numbers, attempts to verbalize a long term momentum, when his momentum has already passed its prime. Very important to keep that money rolling in for the family paychecks.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
20. Her larger point was that Sanders dominates caucus states where his supporters can
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016

fill the room with bodies. He does not do so well in primary states where people can just show up and vote. Most of Hillary's supporters don't have 4 hours to spend in a caucus room.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
30. They're too busy finding ways to make enough money
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:30 PM
Mar 2016

to benefit from her economic policies. Hopefully, she has some policies that haven't changed in the last 3 or 4 days.

Gothmog

(145,481 posts)
25. Bernie Sanders’ campaign offers awkward take on state of the race
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:21 PM
Mar 2016

This is a good report on the silliness of the Sanders campaign claim http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/bernie-sanders-campaign-offers-awkward-take-state-the-race

But as a rule, presidential campaigns don’t get to lose a whole bunch of key primaries by wide margins and then declare, “Yeah, but we weren’t really trying.” If these eight nominating contests have left the Sanders campaign at a disadvantage they’re unlikely to overcome, it’s actually incumbent on his top aides and strategists to explainwhy they didn’t make more of an effort in these states.

It’s easy to imagine folks from Team Clinton saying they weren’t exactly going all out to win in Idaho and Utah – states Sanders won easily – but competitive candidates for national office don’t get to use that as an excuse when things aren’t going as well as they’d like.

At its root, Devine’s argument is that Team Sanders identified a series of early, delegate-rich states, but they chose not to bother with them. That’s not just a bad argument; it’s the kind of message that’s probably going to irritate quite a few Sanders supporters who expect more from their team.

Making matters slightly worse, Tad Devine’s pitch isn’t altogether accurate. In Virginia, for example – one of the eight primaries in which he says Team Sanders chose not to compete – plenty of campaign watchers know the senator actually made an effort in the commonwealth and lost anyway. The senator also campaigned in Texas, which is another one of the states Devine said the campaign wrote off.

As for the argument that Sanders wins “in every place that we compete with her,” even taken at face value, it’s not an especially compelling argument: Team Sanders made a real effort to win in states like Arizona, Nevada, Ohio, and Massachusetts, but he lost in each of them.

Don’t be too surprised if Devine walks back his comments today. It’s just not a message that does Team Sanders any favors.

Update: Devine also said the Sanders campaign chose to compete for state victories, rather than compete for delegate victories. I have no idea why the campaign would deliberately choose to compete by the wrong metric that would lead to defeat, but if I were a die-hard Sanders backer, this kind of rhetoric would be incredibly frustrating.

This excuse is so very weak

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
27. Yup.
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:25 PM
Mar 2016
Making matters slightly worse, Tad Devine’s pitch isn’t altogether accurate. In Virginia, for example – one of the eight primaries in which he says Team Sanders chose not to compete – plenty of campaign watchers know the senator actually made an effort in the commonwealth and lost anyway. The senator also campaigned in Texas, which is another one of the states Devine said the campaign wrote off.

As for the argument that Sanders wins “in every place that we compete with her,” even taken at face value, it’s not an especially compelling argument: Team Sanders made a real effort to win in states like Arizona, Nevada, Ohio, and Massachusetts, but he lost in each of them.

Don’t be too surprised if Devine walks back his comments today. It’s just not a message that does Team Sanders any favors.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
26. Sanders did NOT fully compete in all Super Tuesday States. He doesn't have billionaires and the
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:23 PM
Mar 2016

establishment to deliver votes.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
31. SOME states. Why not ALL states? Because he doesn't have unlimited resources. Cash flow would
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:38 PM
Mar 2016

have been a problem if he tried to compete in ALL states.

This isn't brain surgery.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
29. I see his point that he couldn't spend $$$ on deep south states with likely extremely limited payoff
Mon Mar 28, 2016, 11:26 PM
Mar 2016

HOWEVER, while everyone realizes that is the smart campaign strategy after realizing it wasn't going to be a competitive southern primary (polling leading up to SC had to have informed them of that, see also post #23), you can't actually say out loud you deserve the nomination due to not competing. Devine's statement was idiotic.

It just sucks that (in my view) a fundamentally dishonest and corrupted candidate has near-universal acceptance.

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