One of them is from DU. Make that three iterations of "bernie or bust meme" in the real world.

Y'all need to make up some better shit. Something that gets people's attention anyway...

Susan Sarandon.

The questions had context ... Susan answered them in the same context they were asked (ie: about her personally when the context was about her, and about others when the context was about others.)

Only people who don't understand the concept of context could possibly think she said she was voting for Trump.

I assume that at 'worst' if she sees there is no danger of Trump being elected she might either not vote, or vote Green or something.

Maybe she's always been one — what with the Dolores Huerta haranguing and the Nader support way back in 2000.

Her true colors came out in that interview.

I didn't put it in quotes - when I did, I got 238,000, but I thought if I left off the quotes I'd also pick up anything that included the full name Bernie Sanders.

Bernie or bust meme (not in quotes) got 364,000.

I do a lot of internet searching and we make it our job to try and locate results that fit our search, not narrow it so that there aren't any relevant results.

Bernie or bust gets 7,310,000
Sanders or bust get 590,000

They need to get with the program, find someone new to hate.

Look at post #1. Do you see four words there... "bernie or bust meme"? That's what I read, and that's what I searched for. Now there's a whole sub-thread about it with some of them even trying to tell me I don't know how to search the intertubes with... teh google.

These geniuses are a hoot!

In light of that; I guess you can't blame them for their poor judgment.

They seem to have trouble focusing. Oh and you should watch your language, some folks don't like naughty words.

because it's the phrase that was used.

if you want to pretend Bernie or Bust is an aberration.

There are more than 4.

Take away meme and then check the result.

Is that how you pick Presidential candidates as well?

This whole thing is pretty funny though. In my first post I put four words in quotes. It's like none of you know what quotes are even used for.

Nah. I'm amused.

I usually prefer to avoid holding candidates responsible for random things their supporters say, but that tolerance starts to fade when the same thing gets repeated over and over again.

It's not a coincidence that the Bernie or bust language keeps getting repeated. It's absolutely an outgrowth of what Bernie and his campaign are saying, even if they never use those words. And Bernie has NO excuse whatsoever for failing to disavow this garbage.

we all still going to hell?

Albright made a one-off comment. It wasn't repeated ad nauseam by other Clinton supporters, and it wasn't a logical extension of anything Hillary or anyone else on the campaign said.

Had the opposite been true, Clinton may have had an obligation to address it, but that's not the case.

What Sarandon said, however, is coming from Sanders supporters in identical form online, in interviews, in opinion pieces, etc.

have an opinion and express it?

But when multiple people are saying publicly that electing Trump may be better in the long run than electing Clinton, Bernie needs to put a stop to it.

It's objectively a garbage statement.

You are allowed to have an opinion and express it?

But you look kind of silly expressing that opinion AND denying that the opinion has been expressed.

Just saying ...

He does work for her, Susan doesn't work for Bernie.

that is more than just a supporter, that is a very involved cohort

She has a LOT to aplogize for.

of insuring that we have a Democratic president. But the bottom line to you is that you will do everything to keep a progressive out. Well when Trump beats Clinton you will have won.

The people are sick of the billionaires looting all our resources and you are on the wrong side.

he has a great chance of ensuring that the White House stays in Democratic control.

We don't agree on much, but glad we see eye-to-eye on this one!

resources for decades and you are smug about it. You have no empathy for the 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty if you support the Wealthy 1%. We have the highest infant mortality rate of all modern nations and all you care about is see the Clinton Aristocracy gain more and more wealth and power. I find it repugnant that some Democrats would turn their backs on the working class and the poor and bow before the wealthy.

the Wealthy Big Money side. This is a class war and some Democrats are selling their souls to worship at the idol of wealth.

There is a Progressive Wing with Sen Sanders and Sen Warren and then there is the other side I call the Conservative Wing. You may call it The Third Way or whatever. Your side sells out to money and greed. They have been looting the middle and lower classes for decades and you support this status quo.

The Progressive Wing sees the number of 50 million as the number of Americans living in poverty that need held, while the Conservative (Clinton) side sees 50 million as the amount of dirty dollars Clinton has amassed from the billionaires that she is beholden to.

How many more people have to lose their jobs and slide into poverty to feed the greed of the Wealthy 1%. Not a question.

social media isn't coming from the left, it's GOPers trying to sow dissent. And you're falling for it.

Electing Trump or Cruz president is what they want, and if that happens, all the problems you are talking about will get worse. Progressives who fall for Bernie or Bust are playing right into the GOP's hands.

for the first time in a political process they see as rigged. You know it's rigged but justify it because it favors your candidate. It favors the Wealthy and filthy Wealthy Ruling Class that you seem to admire or revere. They don't like Clinton and she her as a lying politician that will do absolutely anything to gain more wealthy and power.

If you don't want Trump, Sanders is the candidate that can defeat him. But you will do anything to stop a progressive from getting into the WH. It would hurt the corps filthy profits.

pushing BoB do not have the progressive ideals in mind, and the GOP is not going to suddenly embrace Single Payer.

freedoms and liberties, comfortable with the status quo ignoring those among us suffering.

I agree there ain't no Santa Claus and also the Ruling Class doesn't love you.

that serve the rich at the expense of the poor are not Democrats. If you choose to side with the Pay Day Loan Sharks, you are not a Democrat and that goes for the president.

beating bernie.

like twisting around the words of a woman to misrepresent her.

Specifically Susan Sarandon? I had my doubts about you, but you certainly are a true Hillary follower.

You make it really hard to take you seriously.

Here we go down another infamous DanTex rabbit hole...

I state facts
DanTex most likely says something like "Prove it" or "Trump-supporter"
I state more facts
DanTex says something about "Dodge" in the hopes it will waste more time.

Not really a fun cycle for anyone is it? But before you skip ahead to the regular "Dodge" part

1. Susan Sarandon says something Hillary followers twist up in knots
2. Hillary followers are apoplectic in their posts and so forth, constantly maligning her
3. It is a common theme for Hillary followers to malign Bernie supporters as sexist, misogynistic, etc...
4. I point out the hypocrisy in calling your opponent sexist or misogynistic when maligning a woman because her own beliefs and principles.

Ok, what's it going to be now?

So now advocating for Trump is "saying something"? Yeah, I wouldn't want to get into the "something" she said either if I were you...

You don't listen to audio before commenting on what they said?

Please provide the exact quote for where she advocated for Trump - and any text necessary for context. If it is not her specifically advocating for his candidacy, then I expect you be honorable enough to admit you're wrong if you are able.

Oh, the creatures you find on the internet...

Otherwise admit you're wrong.

I watched the whole video. Did you?

Admit you're wrong then please.

Linking to The Daily Beast which has a known bias and of which Chelsea is on the board, is not providing the exact text of her quote and the surrounding contextual text.

Didn't think so.

First, you didn't provide the surrounding text for context. But still...

So you are really, honestly telling me, that you personally believe that she was "advocating for Trump" by that quote? Wow. If true, that would be stunning. That said it would explain your constant saying basically anything not pro-Hillary is pro-Trump, but still this really takes the cake.

Seriously all kidding aside, are you really saying you believe she was "advocating for Trump" in that quote?

She was advocating for Trump, parroting the classical Marx/Lenin argument that things have to become worse to hasten the "revolution". And clearly you agree about the Trump part, the only question is if you want Trump for the "revolution" or if you want Trump for Trump.

Not that it matters.

You are much worse off than I thought and makes me regret ever responding to you if this is your argument and you truly believe that she was supporting Trump by saying "Some people feel..." something. Twist it all you want, but trying to say she was advocating for Trump is truly truly pathetic.

Did she ever in that whole interview say anything to the effect of her actually supporting or advocating for Trump? If not, then you either have to admit you are wrong or it is obvious you were spreading falsehoods.

Yes, she was obviously advocating for Trump, as everyone outside the BoB bubble realized today. Viva la revolución!

No, she was not advocating for Trump, but given how you also see not voting for Hillary as advocating for Trump, I guess we should really question what you thought wasn't advocating for Trump since that would obviously be vastly fewer in number.

Same as the BoBers here on DU. And like I said, everyone outside the bubble knows this. In the same way that Nader was (by his own admission) intentionally trying to get W elected.

What y'all have working for you, I'll admit, is that it is difficult to tell apart far-left crazies from right-wingers taking advantage of the ignorance of far-left crazies. Fortunately, as the reaction to Sarandon has shown, the Dems have wisened up to the tactic.

Susan did not advocate for Trump either and you all know it. You are the folks whose own candidate advocated that Ronald Reagan was an AIDS hero and you all defended that shit. What a load of dishonest hypocrisy.

It is a fine line.

Like I said, it's practically impossible to determine whether they are naive lefties of righties taking advantage of that naivete, so they have plausible deniability.

Sure, if you want, I'll give Sarandon the benefit of doubt and call her ignorant and not malevolent. Still, she, and the Bernie or Busters here on DU are most definitely advocating for Trump. The only possible outcome of their crusade is to help elect Trump. And IMO the ignorance defense doesn't buy them much.

Some people believe in Santa Claus.

Did I just advocate for the existence of Santa Claus?


"Some people feel that Donald Trump will bring the revolution immediately, if he gets in. Then things will really, you know, explode."


For someone who once argued the important difference between the usage of "democratic socialist" and "social democrat" you sure seem to have loosened your standards.

bring on the revolution.

What an entitled idiot.

Just asking. ;-D

There are some great DUers in the area.

nearby and beers and what not, that has room but not a freaky reservation policy that is hard to abide by. Because you can never get an accurate headcount. I think my last NY one was anti war protest (Iraq) and Swag and Priyanka were there. Both awesome people Some of my favorite people in the world I have met through DU.
I can definitely get an out of towner or two on my pull out couch! Let's chat with other NYers, and maybe start a Lounge and NY thread to gauge interest?

Yeah, maybe a thread in the NY group.

safer? And we might be able to pull some out of towners too. It happens.
When I went to the DC one, I saw two members fall in love at brunch. Now they are good friends of mine too.

I met him a few years ago in Chicago. Have fun when you get it all together.

Mine too.

But I know about them and your cats.

And they did, their second stay- last evening here. They would cuddle with Aitch when she napped too.
But that is not the same as crawling into bed.

Great way for them to have a NYC getaway.

Woohoo!!!

and PA or Baltimore. I am thinking post convention though. I think a lot of bad feeling could be melted away by then?

as a meme, it has utterly failed.

detested for not doing, her supporters defended that vile bullshit and she 'apologized' on paper while her insulting attempt to revise history and erase the LGBT activists who led the way was done on national television in person and voluntarily. No blowback, no amends made. It was almost as if her supporters were Reagan Democrats themselves.....

Bernie or Bust. Get rid of Hillary and we'll beat the GOP come November.

Dan Dan Dan... more of your made up silliness.

The public isn't waking up to anything like you describe, and nothing that happened today, just today, has been measured in any meaningful way by pollsters, etc. Pretending it has is just more dishonesty... one thing people have woken up to - on DU at least - is that DanTex is not a very trustworthy poster.

There's also no coordinated left-right effort to sabotage Hillary; that's another of your made up conspiracies.

And hey, the only people I've ever seen - as has been widely noted - that call this election a game are Clinton supporters... who have used the term repeatedly to justify Clinton's bad behavior; she's just "playing the game".

Oh and Bernie or Bust hasn't been a "few" anything for months and months... and your behavior - and people who behave like you - is accelerating it's growth. No progressives want to be associated with people who behave like Clinton, or you. The more you highlight that a Clinton supporter in 2016 is someone willing to lie and behave badly to achieve their goals, the less people want to be part of that little club.

And hey, guess what, we aren't going anywhere... we don't want the garbage you're peddling.

... expressing my opinion about people's reactions to Sarandon's interview. So far, this thread seems to only require my support. Whew!

P.S. Apparently my computer was choking. When I wrote this at about 9:15, there were only 6 or 7 replies. When I posted it, 53 showed up. I bet they're not all supportive.... :-

Bad as teapartiers......

or the official Spokesperson for all Sanders supporters Sanders supporters?

As far as I know, she is a private citizen and has the 1st Amendment Right to speak for herself and only for herself.
If you don't like that......tough... find a fascist country that has no right to free speech.
You will be very happy there.

Hardly surprising.

roll eyes

Funny how Saradon's $50 million is white privilege but Bill and Hillary's combined $111 million isn't.

You have them or you don't.

I read it for entertainment, because it's an absurd joke. Getting upset about these posts is just falling for it. Best to laugh.

If Clinton wants the support of Sanders supporters if she is the nominee she has to EARN IT.

Simple and true.

is really, really hoping we make the mistake of nominating Hillary.

You are acting like the people who can't stand Hillary are Democrats. Pretty much all the over 50 year old Democrats I know are voting for Sanders in the primary and voting for him again or Hillary in the general election.

It's those independent and Green and liberal Libertarian voters who vote for Sanders in the open primaries but are shut out in the closed primaries who will never vote for Hillary no matter what.

Independents far out number Democrats and we cannot win without support from independents.

These independent people are 100% with Sarandon, and whining about those independents to Democrats here on DU completely misses the point. We Democrats will support our nominee, but we alone are too few to win an election. Hillary is despised among those independents we need to win and berating them doesn't help your cause.

Sarandon being pushed in an interview to state who she'd vote for and instead, saying 'none of your fucking business' (paraphrasing) and laughing at the possibility of it being Trump. But she was exactly right, he would bring an instant revolution - and not a good one. I'd laugh if some asshole did the same to me ........ she's not a stupid woman, she knew what he was trying to get out of her.

Just as everyone here has been slobbering over for the last few days - something to twist into 'OMG, Sarandon - Bernie 'surrogate'! is saying vote for Trump!' Which is just another sad, pathetic lie.

She also tweeted she would never vote for Trump.

Are people REALLY this dense???