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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:29 PM Mar 2016

It's not about "purity tests", it's about winning the damn election.

The best way to win any election is to create actual enthusiasm among as many rank-and-file voters and activists as possible.

The best way to win the down-ticket races is to embrace activists for change and the new and future voters.

That's why we need a nominee(whichever candidate it ends up being)who connects with the passionate spirit of the times.

The "center" as a bloc of voters, doesn't exist anymore. Most people who call themselves "centrist" as opposed to "far left" (and hardly anybody is going to call themselves "far left" because the term is insulting and marginalizing-people are as likely to call themselves "far left" as they are to call themselves "terrorists&quot support a strong challenge to corporate control of life, want higher taxes on the rich and higher wages for the majority, want to see the war budget cut, and support things like single-payer healthcare and free or nearly-free university education. And they don't see any conflict between working for those things and working to expand LGBTQ rights, expand women's rights, and defeat institutional racism.

So let's connect with that spirit, whoever comes out ahead in Philadelphia. Let's be "The Party of The People" once again. Let's be the party that is as positive and inspiring as the Trumpublicans are hateful and soul-crushing.

That's how we can win. That's the ONLY way we can win.

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It's not about "purity tests", it's about winning the damn election. (Original Post) Ken Burch Mar 2016 OP
We're not the party of the people onecaliberal Mar 2016 #1
Ahhhh . . . you're confused. Those are repug policies. They've implemented them . . . brush Mar 2016 #3
Try actually reading the post this time. jeff47 Mar 2016 #5
Try subbing "has stood by" with what actually happened "obstructed from changing". brush Mar 2016 #9
Time did not start in 2000. jeff47 Mar 2016 #10
"Repugs obstructed attempts to return to a functional regulatory state". brush Mar 2016 #13
No, you left out the very important first part. jeff47 Mar 2016 #16
Are we back in the 90s? brush Mar 2016 #17
History did not disappear when it became inconvenient. jeff47 Mar 2016 #18
Another "Bernie or buster"? brush Mar 2016 #19
:eyes: jeff47 Mar 2016 #21
I thought you said "functional regulatory state". brush Mar 2016 #20
Yes, and that functionality was dismantled by Republicans and DLC Democrats. jeff47 Mar 2016 #22
Why do you keep going back to the 90s brush Mar 2016 #23
Because all this has a history going actually back to the Reagan administration nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #24
It's boiling down to ensuring and voting for who is the best candidate to heal our nation.... AuntPatsy Mar 2016 #2
Heal our Nation from what? Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #12
If you need to ask that question, your not paying attention AuntPatsy Mar 2016 #25
This isn't a high school football game... GeorgiaPeanuts Mar 2016 #4
The DLC/thirdWay is honestly RepubLite. Favoring the wealthy corporatist 'job creators' over us. peacebird Mar 2016 #7
How does one measure the enthusiasm of voters? mythology Mar 2016 #6
Which should I trust? Your poll, or the multiple images of rallies by Hill & Bernie? peacebird Mar 2016 #8
people and polls - caucuses = enthusiasm snowy owl Mar 2016 #14
It's about getting at least something from a candidate... Avalon Sparks Mar 2016 #11
Purity test is a highly out of touch thing to say AZ Progressive Mar 2016 #15
If it's about winning the damn election, stop trying to convince people to vote onecaliberal Mar 2016 #26
Damn, you BSers calguy Mar 2016 #29
Recommended. This should be obvious. eom guillaumeb Mar 2016 #27
Winning isn't everything ... salinsky Mar 2016 #28

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
1. We're not the party of the people
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

We are the party that has stood by while 29 million are not insured, while 62 people own the Same wealth as 3.4 billion, while millions lost their jobs homes and retirement. While the planet has warmed to the extent we may not be able to avoid catastrophic consequences because of fucking greed. We are NOTHING to brag about. People are dying right now because of this policy, I'm not going to pretend that's okay any more.

brush

(53,790 posts)
3. Ahhhh . . . you're confused. Those are repug policies. They've implemented them . . .
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:41 PM
Mar 2016

and obstructed legislation to change them for years.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
5. Try actually reading the post this time.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

Specifically, the first 8 words

We are the party that has stood by

brush

(53,790 posts)
9. Try subbing "has stood by" with what actually happened "obstructed from changing".
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

Do you actually understand how congress works? You can't change things unless you have the votes.

There is no wand waving or edits from a king.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
10. Time did not start in 2000.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

The Republicans (and many DLC Democrats) pushed through changes that caused these problems.

Then the Republicans obstructed attempts to return back to a functional regulatory state.

brush

(53,790 posts)
13. "Repugs obstructed attempts to return to a functional regulatory state".
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

That's what I said so we agree.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
16. No, you left out the very important first part.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:45 PM
Mar 2016

The regulatory state was not broken by Republicans. It was hard work by both parties that did it.

brush

(53,790 posts)
17. Are we back in the 90s?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

No. We're in the Obama admin where obstruction by repugs has blocked any attempts to change things.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
18. History did not disappear when it became inconvenient.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:10 PM
Mar 2016

Especially when one of the main forces behind breaking the regulatory state is now seeking office.

brush

(53,790 posts)
20. I thought you said "functional regulatory state".
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:18 PM
Mar 2016

Something disappeared all right.

The key word being "functional" — functionally regulating the banks, corporations, et al is a good thing.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
22. Yes, and that functionality was dismantled by Republicans and DLC Democrats.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 11:36 PM
Mar 2016

The work of DLC Democrats to dismantle the regulatory state is still screwing us over today. Which is why it remains relevant.

brush

(53,790 posts)
23. Why do you keep going back to the 90s
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:13 AM
Mar 2016

We're in 2016. Come forward and deal with today's reality.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. Because all this has a history going actually back to the Reagan administration
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

and it is the baby of both parties.

I know, I know, Americans have a hard time with really long term thinking...

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
2. It's boiling down to ensuring and voting for who is the best candidate to heal our nation....
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:40 PM
Mar 2016

Amazing how so many continue to ignore just how badly damaged we are by focusing instead on the high school antics of wanting to be on the winning team regardless of what is done to ensure that win...

May the best Woman or Man earn the title to ensure we all win not a select few....

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
4. This isn't a high school football game...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:43 PM
Mar 2016

People are tired of phony progressive centrists. I have no more patience with the DLC. Every year I am getting older and we are stuck in the same despicable status quo. Enough is enough

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
7. The DLC/thirdWay is honestly RepubLite. Favoring the wealthy corporatist 'job creators' over us.
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

And the wealthy corporatist 'job creators' say cut SS, lower taxes on corporations, stop environmental restrictions amd pollution laws. Let us outsource to cheaper wage countries. Let us bring in H1b workers who will work for a fraction of what the American workforce makes, and after the American trains them, let us fire the American worker.

There is no way I can vote to continue the DLC/ThirdWay destruction of the working class in America.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
6. How does one measure the enthusiasm of voters?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

Because by the measure of actual turnout in elections, Clinton is doing that much better than Sanders.

Or if you wish to measure by polling supporters, there's this annoying fact:

Clinton's supporters lead Sanders' 54% to 44% in enthusiasm

http://www.gallup.com/poll/190343/trump-clinton-supporters-lead-enthusiasm.aspx

The facts make your argument hard to sustain.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
8. Which should I trust? Your poll, or the multiple images of rallies by Hill & Bernie?
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:03 PM
Mar 2016

Because frankly, Bernie has thousands of adoring supporters, enthusiastically supporting him at every rally. Hillary - not so much......

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
14. people and polls - caucuses = enthusiasm
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:17 PM
Mar 2016

they keep changing and it all depends on the questions asked. Just get over it.

The reason caucuses are so over the top for Bernie is these are the enthusiastic voters. Primaries are literally a whole bunch a pretty uninformed voters voting name recognition. No I can't prove it. Some people would call it common sense. And I've got a lot of that.

Caucuses = enthusiasm

Avalon Sparks

(2,566 posts)
11. It's about getting at least something from a candidate...
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary offers me nothing.

I don't care about social issues.

We got bigger fresh to fry.

She's hard right on War and Fiscal (trickle down)
She will sign the TPP - as is, at least the important stuff

These are the biggest issues - for all working class and most middle class

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
15. Purity test is a highly out of touch thing to say
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 10:17 PM
Mar 2016

There are serious problems with Hillary as the nominee, and there are serious issues not being dealt with in this country, that only a Bernie as president will be able to deal with.

Hillary supporters need to stop basically saying "let them eat cake."

onecaliberal

(32,864 posts)
26. If it's about winning the damn election, stop trying to convince people to vote
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:07 PM
Mar 2016

For her when she will lose

calguy

(5,315 posts)
29. Damn, you BSers
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 06:35 PM
Mar 2016

sure have a hard head. Your "my way or I won't play" attitude sounds just like a tea bagger with different goals.
I wish some of you could grow up.

salinsky

(1,065 posts)
28. Winning isn't everything ...
Wed Mar 30, 2016, 05:48 PM
Mar 2016

... it's the only thing.

I keep hearing people talking bullshit about how they're tired of voting against something and want to vote for something.

If you have a hard time convincing yourself to vote against the toxicity and treachery coming out of the right this election cycle, you need to check your motivations.

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