2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIt's not about "purity tests", it's about winning the damn election.
The best way to win any election is to create actual enthusiasm among as many rank-and-file voters and activists as possible.
The best way to win the down-ticket races is to embrace activists for change and the new and future voters.
That's why we need a nominee(whichever candidate it ends up being)who connects with the passionate spirit of the times.
The "center" as a bloc of voters, doesn't exist anymore. Most people who call themselves "centrist" as opposed to "far left" (and hardly anybody is going to call themselves "far left" because the term is insulting and marginalizing-people are as likely to call themselves "far left" as they are to call themselves "terrorists" support a strong challenge to corporate control of life, want higher taxes on the rich and higher wages for the majority, want to see the war budget cut, and support things like single-payer healthcare and free or nearly-free university education. And they don't see any conflict between working for those things and working to expand LGBTQ rights, expand women's rights, and defeat institutional racism.
So let's connect with that spirit, whoever comes out ahead in Philadelphia. Let's be "The Party of The People" once again. Let's be the party that is as positive and inspiring as the Trumpublicans are hateful and soul-crushing.
That's how we can win. That's the ONLY way we can win.
onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)We are the party that has stood by while 29 million are not insured, while 62 people own the Same wealth as 3.4 billion, while millions lost their jobs homes and retirement. While the planet has warmed to the extent we may not be able to avoid catastrophic consequences because of fucking greed. We are NOTHING to brag about. People are dying right now because of this policy, I'm not going to pretend that's okay any more.
brush
(53,790 posts)and obstructed legislation to change them for years.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Specifically, the first 8 words
brush
(53,790 posts)Do you actually understand how congress works? You can't change things unless you have the votes.
There is no wand waving or edits from a king.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The Republicans (and many DLC Democrats) pushed through changes that caused these problems.
Then the Republicans obstructed attempts to return back to a functional regulatory state.
brush
(53,790 posts)That's what I said so we agree.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The regulatory state was not broken by Republicans. It was hard work by both parties that did it.
brush
(53,790 posts)No. We're in the Obama admin where obstruction by repugs has blocked any attempts to change things.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Especially when one of the main forces behind breaking the regulatory state is now seeking office.
brush
(53,790 posts)Conversation not going the way you wanted, huh?
brush
(53,790 posts)Something disappeared all right.
The key word being "functional" functionally regulating the banks, corporations, et al is a good thing.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The work of DLC Democrats to dismantle the regulatory state is still screwing us over today. Which is why it remains relevant.
brush
(53,790 posts)We're in 2016. Come forward and deal with today's reality.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and it is the baby of both parties.
I know, I know, Americans have a hard time with really long term thinking...
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Amazing how so many continue to ignore just how badly damaged we are by focusing instead on the high school antics of wanting to be on the winning team regardless of what is done to ensure that win...
May the best Woman or Man earn the title to ensure we all win not a select few....
Avalon Sparks
(2,566 posts)AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)People are tired of phony progressive centrists. I have no more patience with the DLC. Every year I am getting older and we are stuck in the same despicable status quo. Enough is enough
peacebird
(14,195 posts)And the wealthy corporatist 'job creators' say cut SS, lower taxes on corporations, stop environmental restrictions amd pollution laws. Let us outsource to cheaper wage countries. Let us bring in H1b workers who will work for a fraction of what the American workforce makes, and after the American trains them, let us fire the American worker.
There is no way I can vote to continue the DLC/ThirdWay destruction of the working class in America.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Because by the measure of actual turnout in elections, Clinton is doing that much better than Sanders.
Or if you wish to measure by polling supporters, there's this annoying fact:
Clinton's supporters lead Sanders' 54% to 44% in enthusiasm
http://www.gallup.com/poll/190343/trump-clinton-supporters-lead-enthusiasm.aspx
The facts make your argument hard to sustain.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Because frankly, Bernie has thousands of adoring supporters, enthusiastically supporting him at every rally. Hillary - not so much......
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)they keep changing and it all depends on the questions asked. Just get over it.
The reason caucuses are so over the top for Bernie is these are the enthusiastic voters. Primaries are literally a whole bunch a pretty uninformed voters voting name recognition. No I can't prove it. Some people would call it common sense. And I've got a lot of that.
Caucuses = enthusiasm
Avalon Sparks
(2,566 posts)Hillary offers me nothing.
I don't care about social issues.
We got bigger fresh to fry.
She's hard right on War and Fiscal (trickle down)
She will sign the TPP - as is, at least the important stuff
These are the biggest issues - for all working class and most middle class
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)There are serious problems with Hillary as the nominee, and there are serious issues not being dealt with in this country, that only a Bernie as president will be able to deal with.
Hillary supporters need to stop basically saying "let them eat cake."
onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)For her when she will lose
calguy
(5,315 posts)sure have a hard head. Your "my way or I won't play" attitude sounds just like a tea bagger with different goals.
I wish some of you could grow up.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)... it's the only thing.
I keep hearing people talking bullshit about how they're tired of voting against something and want to vote for something.
If you have a hard time convincing yourself to vote against the toxicity and treachery coming out of the right this election cycle, you need to check your motivations.