the Establishment, Republican Lite, and worse, because they think Clinton is the best candidate.

against DOMA and delivered an extremely strong reprimand of yes voters like Clyburn. Why in the world would I not see a person who voted to bar me from marriage for life as part of the establishment, even the oppressing class? You tell me? He has some right to such bigoted acts? I think not.

to be an exception. How about John Lewis and other good Democrats?

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They reserve that insult for people they think they can bully to the right just enough to get a vote.

Me? They know I'm irredeemable. I'm against every RW policy I've ever seen.

BTW, I'm a proud looney lefty- the Right devalues people. The Left cares about about them.

models of government proposed by the "far left", or leftists. I'd say the large majority of leftist writers and thinkers today strongly reject both of those leaders. They are roundly criticized and rebuked and held up as cautionary tales in many, many essays, articles, and books by leftist writers.

And "far left" in popular use routinely includes radical environmentalists -- a group with whom I strongly identify.

I'm typing on a cell, so I'll keep this short. I don't disagree with the things you stand for, but I don't agree that Democrats should be actively putting up walls to keep out the "far left".

And for the record, I consider myself a radical leftist.

I was talking about the way the term "far left" is used in American politics,.

Nothinh pejorative intended in the OP.

have not the slightest clue what they're talking about when they talk about "leftists" or the "far left".

Agree also that if you have ever said a kind word about the Democratic Party or ever considered yourself a Democrat, you are categorically NOT the "far left."

The point of calling people "far left" is to silence them, to exclude them from the discussion.

This country needs to hear left voices...it's been a tragedy that those voices have been ignored for decades now. We are diminished as a country as a result of alternative voices being silenced.

when I first started voting. I want to bring the Democratic Party around to the days of FDR and beyond, so I joined up as a Democrat.
Now is that far left enough for you?

I want to end capitalism, as it has failed.
I want the government to own ALL means of production, so that WE THE PEOPLE decide what corporations do, not boards of directors.
I do still want there to be a democratic vote, where all people are REQUIRED to vote by law.

Am I "far left" enough for you now?

What I'm objecting to is the use of the term to discredit and marginalize alternative voices.

Anyone to the left of Chris Matthews.

universal public healthcare is far left. The "center" of the American political spectrum is so far to the right, after 35 years of abject capitulation, that Harry F'ing Truman would be a loonie lefty.

That it really depends on where you are measuring from, in the 50's and 60's and 70's maybe they were the "far" left but if you measure from where the so called middle is now someone that was considered just "left" is now pretty far left in comparison with today's middle and the right..

I am very far to the left of Bernie. I don't think many of his proposals including free college go far enough, for example I would also include a monthly allowance for living expenses except in the summer. I don't mind if college students must work for the summer, unless they are attending summer classes then living expenses then too.

I wouldn't socialize all industries, but health care would be one. Also anything to do with energy like no for profit oil companies and then develop socialized green energy. I would put most insurance industries out of business or make them government agencies.

Also we should have more national parks and fees should be on a sliding scale.

And I would tie federal aid to states willingness to end homelessness. States that don't combat the problem by providing housing would lose a whole lot of federal dollars.

There are probably a whole lot of other issues I would go farther left on than most people.

populated with the likes of self-professed progressive Hillary and Obama-professed progressive DWS.

What am I now?

... and other parts of the safety net. It means wanting to hold banksters accountable when they commit fraud. It means not supporting every possible military intervention. C'mon, get with the program.